Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 06:42:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #49 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Kuk Sool Won (Ray Terry) 2. Re: Hack (Frank Clay) 3. Rope techniques (Rudy Timmerman) 4. Kuk Sool Questions (Rudy Timmerman) 5. Re: korean font files (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 6. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Weapons_Stuff_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 7. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Weapons_stuff_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 8. Box stuff (Ray Terry) 9. H. C . Hwang Tape (Amed Hazel) 10. RE: Re: Weapons Stuff (Hagness, Chris R.) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kuk Sool Won To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:12:30 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I would appreciate any information, opinions, etc. regarding Kuk Sool Won. > It is my understanding that it combines all Korean Martial Arts, but how does > it compare to Hapkido, for example? Fairly similar. > Is it more geared toward self defense or > competition? I would appreciate hearing any thoughts you may have on this > art. Thanks. Mostly self defense. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:24:17 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hack Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mike, No matter what, there will always be a contingent that will think that it cannot happen to them. There will also be those who want the end result and do not care how they go about getting it. I could get a 9th dan right now, but is it worth anything? Only to those who know no better... and so we go in circles... f. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 02:08:40 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Rope techniques Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce writes: > And what about the rope techniques which are nearly as hard > to find as the knife material anymore. Hello Bruce: Glad to see you are back writing. Things were slowing down her for a while:) FWIW, J.R. has asked me to do Poh Bahk Sool (rope) techniques at the Jackson seminar. Bring a spare belt, and I'll do my best to share some stuff with you. I am sure we'll do some interesting after hours stuff as well:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 02:15:31 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kuk Sool Questions Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gordon writes: > I would appreciate any information, opinions, etc. regarding Kuk Sool > Won. > It is my understanding that it combines all Korean Martial Arts, but > how does > it compare to Hapkido, for example? Is it more geared toward self > defense or > competition? Hello Gordon: Kuk Sool has a broad range of material that includes many techniques similar to Hap Ki Do. The WAY these techniques are taught vary some from one Instructor to the next, because there are different backgrounds among those Instructors. WKSA as well as DHKS compete, and some of these competitions include contact as well as throws and full takedowns. It depends on the location of the event and the insurance issues. IMHO, any martial art can be a good addition to self defense training, but it again depends on your Instructor. Not much help, but I guess the bottom line is to shop around and SEE what is offered. If it suits your needs, then join it. You simply can't go by what is advertised in ANY school. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 5 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 02:18:12 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: korean font files Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net hi folks, does anyone have any fancy korean fonts they'd like to share? :). i've got all the standards that come with microsoft os's, but am looking for something a bit more stylish. thanks! melinda :) Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:11:02 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Weapons_Stuff_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Rudy: "...... I am equally sure that these same folks would NOT have set their tools aside when their villages were raided. Some things we just accept because there is enough "reason" to believe it....." I know what you are saying. In the case that you present it is enough for me to think that were I part of a community that was suddenly attacked I would certainly grab whatever would serve as a weapon and use it to defend me and mine. However, we are talking about Korean martial arts here. If I picked up a garbage can lid and used it as a shield does that automatically become a martial art? The Koreans undoutedly had threshing tools. In their martial system they also had a flail which was a polearm. How is it noone is investigating this rather than the Okinawan nunchukas? According to the recent translation of Hamels" journal the Koreans' came together every other month and put their farmers through various military maneuvers very often using polearms. Why is it that there is so little emphasis on polearms in KMA schools? I was reading earlier that people have interest in using the Okinawan sai. Thats fine, but have they learned the Korean dan bong material first? Koreans are world famous in Olympic competition for their archery and excelled for centuries with the use of the re-curved bow. I have yet to see any school investigate this aspect of KMA. Ray made mention of Hapkido as eclectic, but how is it that eclecticism seems to always run towards the connections with Japanese traditions? I don't see anyone studying Ssireum or Taek Kyon for what it has contributed to Hapkido tradition. I don't see anyone incorporating Tan Tui 12, Chen Tai Chi Cannon Fist, or pursuing Ship Pal Gwe for what it has to offer or has traditionally given to the Hapkido arts. Let me say one more time, Rudy, that I don't have a problem with an eclectic approach to KMA if thats what people want to do. What I am pointing out is that eclectisim seems to follow some suspiciously self-serving pathes which are coached through notable areas of least effort. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:30:26 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Weapons_stuff_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: "......> As far as the issue of eclecticism in Hapkido, I have no problem with > people dragging that old chestnut out whenever it pleases them. My issue > is one of degree; to wit: where does one stop? Why must it stop? Why limit your thinking? Get out of the box....." I will give you three very good reasons. 1.) Because that "box" is a cultural artifact and, as such, deserves to be respected in the manner that Koreans have defined for the art. For myself this is what made the recent events discussed so long and hard here and other places. It was not bad enough that the people in Florida chose to misuse and abuse Hapkido but they did it with the apparent collusion of Korean nationals who touch the highest levels of an influential organization. The Hapkido arts are something that was given or exported to the rest of the world but their source is the collective product of the Korean people. If anyone needs to take this issue any farther they need only harken back to the many animated discussions regarding what Pelligrini did with the ICHF and invoking the title "hapkido" to identify his material. 2.) Because any approach towards "eclecticism" pre-supposes that one has a foundation in the basic biomechanics, curriculum and philosophy of the art before beginning to approximate that materila with other things. People of standing are responsible for making sure that what is practiced has, as its foundation the basics of the art or what results is no longer Hapkido, or TKD, or TSD. In a recent post to Rudy I mentioned that people want to study sai but may not have learned dan bong first. How many times have we seen people who report a background in Judo or ju-jutsu applying for and getting rank and standing in the Hapkido arts just because they seem to be so similar? 3.) Because we are duty-bound to transmit to the next generation the most accurate representation of what we were given and make ever effort to ensure that material is accurately absorbed. If at some later date a student wants to add things like basket-weaving and stone throwing to his personal training fine. I'm all for firearms training and extra ground- fighting. But lets make sure that the basic arts are passed along intact. I see a distinct difference between a person of standing (4th dan and above) experiementing with the relationship between Hapkido and Shui Chiao and teaching these arts simultaneously to an adolescent under the label "eclecticism". I am ready, willing and able to "think out of the box", Ray. I just think that occasionally someone needs to speak for respecting the existence and nature of the box. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 06:55:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Box stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > 1.) Because that "box" is a cultural artifact and, ..... You should still teach the box, Bruce. Just don't let the box stop you from teaching your students concepts and techniques that may save their hides. That is Hapkido. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Amed Hazel" To: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:01:13 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] H. C . Hwang Tape Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone have or seen Hwang Kee's son performing hyung on a video tape. The tape is dated July 15 1998. The copy that I have is terrible quality. I think he is performing the entire Yuk Ro set and well as Chil Sung 1-7 SRJK and TKK. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Hagness, Chris R." To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Weapons Stuff Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:09:16 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce, Since this would be of interest to (potentially) all the active and lurker population of the DD, can you provide a list of the references and resources you use in your research? For those of us who *are* interested, that would be a great help. Please post it as often as necessary, so newbies don't get the impression that such material simply doesn't exist. (And if you've ever considered writing a book summarizing what you've found out over the years, I'm sure the community would show their appreciation.) Thanks, Chris Hagness --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest