Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:57:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #50 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Kick-a-thins, etc (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 2. HC Hwang (FRANK CLAY) 3. Bringing a spare (Dennis McHenry) 4. (no subject) (Rudy Timmerman) 5. Weapons stuff (JR Hilland) 6. stone throwing (Chris Hamilton) 7. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Resources?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 8. Re: Weapons stuff (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Kick-a-thins, etc Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:21:54 -0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ever heard of Houdini? be careful with gut punching -----Original Message----- From: harmonywushu@juno.com [mailto:harmonywushu@juno.com] Sent: 04 February 2004 07:49 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kick-a-thons, etc We did a kick-a-thon just recently. I hadn't done much research into it, beyond what the carity sent me. (St. Jude's Children's hospital, by the way has an EXCELLENT set of materials, HINT! HINT!). We had everybody doing the kicks through the entire thing. It became quite the competiton, it was fun. We just stood around in a circle. Everyone tokk tunrs picking a kind of kick, or combination of kicks, and then everyone in the circle would count out a set of ten. Lots of kicks. None of us could walk for a week afterwards. (Class the next day was pretty pathetic!, The guy with the idea of doing it teams has it right! I wish I'd though of it!) In the past, we have also done a "Punch in the gut" drive, where random folks bid for the dubious right to hit myself or students in the stomach. This one was not much fun, but raised some money quickly. Tournaments are also good, if you can get a place to hold it cheaply. Instead of buying prizes, you just award the winner a SMALL fraction of the proceeds. Prize fighting for cash breeds some poor sportsmanship though, so be careful. Just my 4.5 cents. Peter Harmony Wushu Academy Join the Fight against violence! 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If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the number given, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "FRANK CLAY" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 08:21:09 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] HC Hwang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Amed, Keep me in the loop. I'd love to see this tape. Frank _________________________________________________________________ Find great local high-speed Internet access value at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 17:54:45 GMT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Dennis McHenry Subject: [The_Dojang] Bringing a spare Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rudy writes to Bruce: "FWIW, J.R. has asked me to do Poh Bahk Sool (rope) techniques at the Jackson seminar. Bring a spare belt, and I'll do my best to share some stuff with you. I am sure we'll do some interesting after hours stuff as well:)" I think Bruce needs to bring a spare uniform too! :-) Here's a suggestion: bring your uniform and belt in a seperate carry-on bag (if you're flying). That way, when you get to Jackson you won't be looking for a uniform and belt to borrow. I look forward to seeing ya'll there again. And Bruce - I'll bring a spare belt just in case you need one again... Mac " Life isn't like a box of chocolates...it's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your a$$ tomorrow." ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:08:11 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce writes: > If I picked up a garbage can lid and used it as a shield does that > automatically become a martial art? I hear you loud and clear Bruce, and I even agree to a point. IMHO, martial art was, is today, and will be in the future a dynamic art or way of combat. What may have been a weapon of impulse at a moment of panic would most likely turn into a real part of the curriculum IF it was an effective tool. FWIW, I am a traditional practitioner at heart, but necessity makes me have my eyes wide open for change. Change, although it is rarely accepted eagerly (people like comfort way too much), is not always for the best; however, without accepting change we WOULD still think the world is flat. In the art that was passed on to me, I drive hard to keep it as it was taught to me; however, I have a duty to my students to point out things that I have found to be less effective than is good for the health. I give my students some alternatives, but I ask them to keep the art intact and learn MY findings as an additional bit of info. I am comfortable with the idea that MY Instructor did the same thing, and MY students will do the same thing after I'm dead and gone. I simply don't think using the first version of the stone wheel would do me a whole lot of good on my present car. I also believe in my personal ability to make valuable contributions to the martial art I teach. I don't think Westerners like myself are incapable of making useful and significant contributions. If I thought that, or if that were true, I should not be teaching. Martial arts as we know them are just a few thousand years old. Combat on the other hand is as old as Cain and Able. I think it is safe to assume we have no idea what is original and what is not. I also KNOW that whatever martial art we have learned from our past has been adapted, modified, or otherwise changed to be as useful as possible for those who needed to save their lives with it. It is only now that we no longer need to use the arts to defend our lives with it (thanks to Mr. Colt and others) that we can afford to preserve it. IMHO, preserving tradition and natural evolution are a constant battle in martial arts, and we cannot simply ignore any one of them without doing a disservice to the arts. It does not take long for traditions to fade from memory, and we just need to take a look at the struggles native people have today in just keeping their language alive. My God, in just one century, entire native languages are almost extinct. With that in mind, it is not hard to accept the fact that many martial art techniques (no longer useful) will go the same route. For martial artists like you and I this is a tragedy; however, for most others it is simply no big deal. There are other fun things to learn. As I see it, we have a responsibility to keep our art alive and well, uncover old techniques before they are forever lost, honor those who taught them to us so we can preserve history, but most certainly it also means we must not close our eyes to the future. The very things we do today is the history of tomorrow Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "JR Hilland" To: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:13:55 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Weapons stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce makes some great points. We have discussed eclectic hapkido as opposed to traditional hapkido during the years here on the DD. And I think Bruce's comments on current eclectic thinking his the mark. When I think of eclectic martial arts, I do not think of hapkido with the exception of the many hapkido ads you see in tkd times. Eclecticism these days, leads one to believe that the person did not spent the time to truly learn all of their art. They instead chose to delete parts for lack of proper training or ad parts without any significant value to the art because it is the flavor of the month. Eclecticism is simply a marketing technique. Traditional hapkido has enough in it to spend a life time practicing and learning. After all, if we do not teach the entire art, who will? Ray, I believe that your definition of eclecticism implies that that one has learned all of the art and added to it. But this is just not the case with many who teach a eclectic art. Sure, there are many exceptions, but for the most part, eclecticism is not thinking outside the box, it is just stacking other boxes on the first one. Jere R. Hilland www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Chris Hamilton" To: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:38:06 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] stone throwing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Although I haven't seen any reference to basket weaving, I fairly certain Dr. Kimm mentions stone throwing as a traditional Korean weapon in one of his books. Chris in BR --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:04:45 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Resources?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Chris: "......Since this would be of interest to (potentially) all the active and lurker population of the DD, can you provide a list of the references and resources you use in your research?......." ABSOLUTELY-- POSITIVELY!!! I work hard to remember to use citations and resources but don't always succeed and I hope people are comfortable enough to say something when they read a comment and wonder about pursuing that line a good deal farther. There is a lot of information out there, but its not always available on the shelf at your local BARNES AND NOBLES, BORDERS or AMAZON.COM. In fact let me say that I just ordered a copy of BOOK OF CORRECTIONS in paperback for about $7US+S. This is one of the resouces quoted by Turnbull in his book on the Imjin Wars and gives a nice balancing point of view to his predominantly Japanese sources. Of course, this comes at a cost. My family, long ago, stopped trying to find the books I am interested in and now only gets me gift certificates. I have also gotten used to bookstores telling be such&such is "not available" which is often customer service talk for "ordering a single copy of an obscure title ain't worth our while". Any time I can share info or resources let me know and I will do my best. It can only help to make us all better informed practitioners, ne? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Weapons stuff To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 12:41:10 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Ray, I believe that your > definition of eclecticism implies that that one has learned all of the art > and added to it. Yes. > But this is just not the case with many who teach a > eclectic art. True. One well known example is Bruce Lee. Would he have needed to create Jun Fan if he had learned Wing Chun. He only stayed long enough to learn two of the three Wing Chun sets. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest