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Today's Topics:

   1. weapons training (Dennis McHenry)
   2. Thanks (Rudy Timmerman)
   3. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Going_to_the_movies....?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com)
   4. RE: King of Bahrain (Ali Alnasser)
   5. Re: Re: Resources (hwarangrage@optonline.net)
   6. Re: Choi's headstone (ABurrese@aol.com)
   7. Re: RE: [The_Dojang] Weapons stuff (hwarangrage@optonline.net)
   8. Videos (Rudy Timmerman)
   9. Re: weapons training (Jye nigma)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:34:33 GMT
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
From: Dennis McHenry <d.mchenry@juno.com>
Subject: [The_Dojang] weapons training
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Hello George,

<<I think where I was coming from is I study TSD MDK as a weaponless art and would like to perhaps broaden my horizons.>>

I also study TSD MDK, and enjoy playing with weapons too.  You are right in that the base are has no weapons training.  I've learned what I have by 'broadening my horizons' and training with other instructors, from both Japanese, Korean and Philipeno styles.  Nothing ever really formal - just informal or attending seminars.  I also encourage my students to do the same.  

<<told he must train within our org.>>

Although that is always nice to be able to stay within the same organization and support it, personally I think you should be able to go anywhere you need to go to get the training you are looking for.  That is one of the reasons I enjoyed the USKMAF seminars so much - so many different people attended and taught various sessions on a great varity of subjects, including weapons.  I like being able to see things from different angles and perspectives, which helps me gain insight into my own art and training.

 <<Since this is NOT part of the TSD cirriculum where we study, why 
would it matter where or what one learns except the stroking of an ego or perhaps fattening the "wrong" coffers?>>

Yup.

<<I also realize my responsibility to only teach TSD as I was taught, not to include anything from the "outside".>>

Yes and no.  If you teach something from "outside", just let your students know where it's coming from.  This gives you some 'value add' to your instruction and will make you a better instructor. IMHO

<<There is an old master in our area who perhaps put it best so I could understand when he told me "to be told to give blind loyalty and to always accomodate the wishes of the school while the school will not reciprocate in any way, the organization becomes a cult, not a school.">>

Sounds like a very wise old master ;-)

<<Master Timmerman, Poh Bahk Sool? I hope you will bring this closer to Pittsburgh some day, or perhaps I will have to make a "pilgrimage". I would love to try this.>>

George, if you ever can - make the "pilgrimage" - it will be well worth your while.  I know, becase it sounded so interesting (thanks Master Hilland) I made the first one and haven't missed one since.  I also try to make all the seminars that Master West and Master Timmerman do in my area (as well as some others).

As Morphous said "expand your mind". 

Take care,
  Mac


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:50:14 -0500
From: Rudy Timmerman <kwanjang@sympatico.ca>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Thanks
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Thanks to Sandy and Peter.  I appreciate your kind comments.
Sincerely,
Rudy

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 10:09:08 -0600 (CST)
From: <bsims@midwesthapkido.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Going_to_the_movies....?=
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Dear Chris: 

Thanks for the link. I note that there were a lot of movie clips at that 
site but I have not been able to get any of them to play. 

BTW: Who is the "institute of Hapkido"? 

Best Wishes, 

Bruce 

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Message: 4
From: "Ali Alnasser" <hankido2000@hanmail.net>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 01:25:40 +0900 (KST)
Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: King of Bahrain
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Funny you mention the King of Bahrain. His children now study Hoi Jeon
Moo Sool under Master Kang Kyo Sik. It's taught mostly to the royal
family.

http://hoijeonmoosool.free.fr/

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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 10:57:14 -0600
From: hwarangrage@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Resources
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Dear Bruce: Hwarang Sir: I would also like to know your resources, but you still did not answer that ques. Hoping to hear from you.   
                                                                             Nobleknight 

----- Original Message -----
From: bsims@midwesthapkido.com
Date: Friday, February 6, 2004 2:04 pm
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Resources

> Dear Chris: 
> 
> "......Since this would be of interest to (potentially) all the 
> active and 
> lurker
> population of the DD, can you provide a list of the references and 
> resources
> you use in your research?......." 
> 
> ABSOLUTELY-- POSITIVELY!!! I work hard to remember to use 
> citations and 
> resources but don't always succeed and I hope people are 
> comfortable 
> enough to say something when they read a comment and wonder about 
> pursuing 
> that line a good deal farther. There is a lot of information out 
> there, 
> but its not always available on the shelf at your local BARNES AND 
> NOBLES, 
> BORDERS or AMAZON.COM. In fact let me say that I just ordered a 
> copy of 
> BOOK OF CORRECTIONS in paperback for about $7US+S. This is one of 
> the 
> resouces quoted by Turnbull in his book on the Imjin Wars and 
> gives a nice 
> balancing point of view to his predominantly Japanese sources. Of 
> course, 
> this comes at a cost. My family, long ago, stopped trying to find 
> the 
> books I am interested in and now only gets me gift certificates. I 
> have 
> also gotten used to bookstores telling be such&such is "not 
> available" 
> which is often customer service talk for "ordering a single copy 
> of an 
> obscure title ain't worth our while". Any time I can share info or 
> resources let me know and I will do my best. It can only help to 
> make us 
> all better informed practitioners, ne? 
> 
> Best Wishes, 
> 
> Bruce 
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Message: 6
From: ABurrese@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 12:13:48 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Choi's headstone
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

The front of the headstone reads:

Dae Han Min Guk (Republic of Korea)
Hapkido
Doju Choi Young-sul
Chu Mo Bi (Memorial stone)

The Korean on the bottom states:

Hapkido chonga Choi Tae-young.  Yong-sul-kwan Chong.  Kwanjang Yi young-sul.  
Kwanjang Kim Yun-sang.  Samujang Kim Hyun-bae.

I do not know these people at the bottom, but this is what the stone says.  
Translating the back would take a lot longer, and didn't have time for that 
this morning.  But hope this helps.

Yours in Training,
Alain

www.burrese.com

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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 11:20:23 -0600
From: hwarangrage@optonline.net
Subject: Re: RE: [The_Dojang] Weapons stuff
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Dear Mr.Clark Hwarang Sir: 
        Jigoro Kano did not study a short time before founding Judo.He started as a youth and studied many different ryu of Yawara,Jujutsu and also Swordmenship. It was much more then 4 years. As for Bruce Lee he also studied Wing Chun and other arts of combat before Jun Fun. 
                                                                            Nobleknight   Hwarang Sir 

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Clark <rick.aodenkou@verizon.net>
Date: Friday, February 6, 2004 4:04 pm
Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Weapons stuff

> <snip> 
> > > But this is just not the case with many who teach a
> > > eclectic art.
> > 
> > True.  One well known example is Bruce Lee.  Would he have 
> needed to
> > create Jun Fan if he had learned Wing Chun.  He only stayed long 
> enough> to learn two of the three Wing Chun sets.
> > 
> > Ray Terry
> > rterry@idiom.com
> 
> Another example of someone who created a system from a short 
> period of study
> (four or so years) of several martial arts was Jigoro Kano who 
> founder Judo
> at the age of 21.
> 
> 
> Rick Clark
> "It never troubles the wolf how many the sheep be" 
> Virgil
> www.ao-denkou.kai.org 
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 12:33:32 -0500
From: Rudy Timmerman <kwanjang@sympatico.ca>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Videos
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Bruce writes:
> BTW to Rudy: Do you mind if I bring my camcorder to capture that rope
> material you mentioned?

Hello Bruce:
Not a problem; however, with the number of people (and my keen desire 
to give everybody some personal attention), there is often not enough 
time to go through a whole set of techniques, so I sample some of the 
more useful ones.  I saw that the last time I did this, so this time 
I'll bring some videos.  Don't be looking for a professional set, this 
is just a "working" version of techniques that pay little attention to 
any Hollywood stuff.  It is a simple video geared to assist you from 
forgetting the techniques.

In any case, taping as well as selling tapes is up to Master West.  He 
told me once I could bring some tapes in order to offset my expenses, 
so I'll take him up on that.  JR himself has a great variety of tapes 
available, and perhaps Master Booth will have some of his awesome new 
DVDs as well.  Reason I suggest people to pick up their favorite tape 
or DVD is that most folks will forget the details of whatever they 
learn at seminars.  In the case of the rope techniques I teach, there 
is a definite different "twist" that sets it somewhat apart from others.

While I'm in my "selling" mode, it is always handy to bring a few extra 
bucks to JRs event.  There are opportunities that you won't easily find 
in other places.  For example, an autographed book by Dr. Kimm.
Sincerely,
Rudy

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 11:24:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Jye nigma <kingjye@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] weapons training
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

In my opinion, one can't fully defend against something unless they know how to use it. Anyone disagree?
 
Jye
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