Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:40:08 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #70 - 16 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Re: Dutchmen (bmac2) 2. (no subject) (Rudy Timmerman) 3. Marmots (Rudy Timmerman) 4. Art versus Sport (Lois Knorr) 5. Seminar in Chicago (Todd Miller) 6. Budoseek (Todd Miller) 7. RE: Forms Applications again (Rick Clark) 8. Re: AAU Regional Qualifier MO (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 9. Re: TGT (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 10. Re: sparring (Jye nigma) 11. Budoseek! II (FRANK CLAY) 12. Plaques ? (Ray Terry) 13. New Dutch org. (Rudy Timmerman) 14. Re: sparring (Jeremy Anderson) 15. Aussie Instructor (Rudy Timmerman) 16. Re: Tibetan Gopher MA (Robert Martin) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:49:40 -0600 From: "bmac2" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Dutchmen Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Klaas, As tempting as it sounds... I will have to pass on your offer. I am a small scotch irish woman and can only handle one dutchman at a time :) Kat ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Klaas Barends Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:20:32 +0800 >In the end, what it all comes down to is this: > >You all practice a truly Dutch Martial Art, so you have to join a Dutch Org. >For this matter I have personally founded The One And Only Original >Dutch Martial >Art Federation (tm), and I expect you all to join this federation and >bow down to >me. > >If not, I will have my team of lawyers sue your *$#$%#* > >Of course you will get a nice certificate for your efforts, which I will let my >secretary personally sign for you. > >Amen. > > >-- >mvg. Klaas Barends > > http://www.hapkido.nl/ >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:38:43 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Gordon writes: > I got a kick out of the (justly) bashing that the large and in charge > Florida fella gets. But hey now, not all of us Florida boys are > rodents. Hello Master Gordon: I would not think of confusing rodents with real men, and them old Dutchmen surely knew the difference too:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:44:04 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Marmots Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Barry writes: > In the interests of historical accuracy I have to point out that it > was not > Tibetan Gophers that were the subject of the Dutch trade, but Mongolian > Marmots I knew I could not trust those Dutch history books. Thanks for clearing that up:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 00:56:48 -0500 (EST) From: Lois Knorr To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Art versus Sport Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My dojang has four elements: forms, step defense/self defense, basic techniques, and sparring. Classes rotate through these four elements. Only one quarter (at most) of our time is spent on sparring. However, every week we have Olympic sparring classes: once a week for children and twice a week for adutls. Anyone green belt and above who wishes to specialize in the sport is encouraged to attend these classes. The self defense classes emphasize Hapkido and, at black belt level, the students also take up weaponry. One of the reasons why I started TKD under my current instructor is because the first class I observed I saw throwing forms, self-defense with joint locks and step defense (pre-arranged sparring). I did not expect to ever see that mix outside of Shoringiryu Kenkokan (my "old" karate style). Our association has a self-defense and step-defense portion as a requirement for black belt. I agree with the comment that it all depends on the instructor. Perhaps I just hang out with the right people Laughing Lois --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Todd Miller" To: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:07:28 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Seminar in Chicago Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you Kevin for posting the seminar details. I will look forward to meeting you and Bruce. I will look around and try to find my smile :) Take care Todd Miller --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Todd Miller" To: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:12:37 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Budoseek Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was wondering what you all think about what is going on with budoseek. Personally it seems like it is RH board. What has to happen to shut this guy up? He gets caught and says I told you so. Makes no sense to me. My best Todd Miller --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Rick Clark" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Forms Applications again Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:08:05 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Folks, >Welcome to the path. Here's the short version of what I learned to >date. >7. A joint manipulation combined with a PCP strike and/or multiple PCP >strikes require a deeper look at the form, often a deeper understanding >of anatomy and Oriental (5 element) Medicine. >Charles Richards >www.mojakwan.com This is a path I went down for a number of years and have come to the conclusion that study of TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine), the 5 Element Theory (and the rest), Acupuncture are not need to learn about Pressure / Vital Points. In a nut shell if you follow the "rules" of Acupuncture to try to explain why techniques work or what points should be used to make a technique work you will be frustrated to no end. You can take any set of points and find some rule that will explain why these points will cause a great deal of damage to an individual. You can draw points out of a hat and come up with an explanation, so if everything is included - then there is nothing that is excluded. That does not give you any basis to predict with any degree of success. I have been doing points for quite some time now and have done a lot of reading and research in this area. Believe me I really wanted TCM to explain it all to me, but it just does not work that way. Acupuncture does provide one benefit for us, it gives a way to communicate the location of various points to others (in books, seminars, e-mail) with some degree of accuracy. Instead of saying "you know that point on the neck that I like to strike" I can say "hit Stomach 9 and you will get XYZ result". By the way if anyone is interested I have posted a new article to my web site, and there are some older articles that are still up that may be of interest. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 8 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:15:17 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: AAU Regional Qualifier MO Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net hi folks, wasnt sure if i saw the AAU regional qualifier for the MO area listed. it'll be at Masters Gautreaux's in KC (Blue Springs to be precise) on the 27th. hoping to see even more folks come this year. take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 9 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:20:25 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: TGT Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Hi all, I hope this post finds you I have not had the best of luck in posting in the DD. I am a Hapkido student here in a lonely part of Australia and I have heard about this martial art called Tibetan Gopher Throwing (or tossing I think it depends on translation from ancient Aztec) and I am seeking a instructor here in Australia can anyone recommend one?????? The more I read I believe my Dutch heritage will do me well in TGT. Regards John Baade" wow, john...youre in luck! i bet master geoff booth, another aussie, would gladly take you on as mentee in gm wests fine art of TGT. master booth, who frequently visits the US and often shares seminar time with gm west, is probably the head of the australian branch of TGT tactics. i'll have to check the TGT website to verify his certification, however. or...perhaps one of them could post to that effect. although i've been limited to mole thumping here, i hear that TGT is a quality martial art...not a sport. take care, melinda (i dont owe you $$, gm JR...i used TGT and didnt spell it out ;)) Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 08:44:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] sparring To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I practice a 6 point star drill. Basically, you draw a large asterik (sp?) on the floor. Look on your key board at the number eight. The symbol above the number eight is what you'll draw on the ground. You may want to construct this with tape. Now what you do is practice minimal movement on this asterik. You can start out in your fighting stance where on foot stays in the center of the asterik, and the other moves on the end of a line. Next you may want to work moving along the outer points, or you may want to practice switching feet from center to outer points. Now this helps with footwork in that you are learning to move but with minimal space. It also teaches you angular movements, or circular movements just like in pa kua (for this the space between the outer points become an arc). You can also use this training to aid in body mechanics to learn to deflect, evade, etc oncoming strikes. This can be done alone, and/or with a partner. With a partner, one attacks and the other defends with the movements I mentioned above. You can also practice deflecting or evading by placing both hands on your hips and turning "with" the strike but utilizing the center and outer points for footwork. Jye Richard Tomlinson wrote: Any ideas for sparing drills for side moving or steping out there? Thanks, sandy. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "FRANK CLAY" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:03:09 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Budoseek! II Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This issue seems to have worked itself out without any input from me. Part of the confusion around this entire thing, is that Mr. Carver is a man of honor and is simply going by what he was told. Without knowing the details of the arrangment with Connolly, and I have never been in his inner circle and do not know him well, and the KHF, or any other body, I cannot say anything definitively. I can say that I know he received a plaque from ROKYA as I was there when it was presented by Lee, Sauk Kyu. Other than this I cannot speak. Mr. Carver does not consider himself a Hapkido guy, he considers himself a Judo/Jujutsu guy and he has been studying martial arts for quite a number of years. Taht being said, a good portion of this issue, is the fact that the KHF is skirting the issue. Just as they approach it, they step back. they have insinuated alot, but said little. _________________________________________________________________ Get some great ideas here for your sweetheart on Valentine's Day - and beyond. http://special.msn.com/network/celebrateromance.armx --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:11:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Plaques ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > .... I can say that I know he received a plaque from ROKYA > as I was there when it was presented by Lee, Sauk Kyu. This plaque was for ??? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:55:20 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] New Dutch org. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Klaas writes: > Of course you will get a nice certificate for your efforts, which I > will let my > secretary personally sign for you. Hello Klaas: Bruce and I hope to be the very first in your new org. Please send us the certificates SAP:) Any training you might have can come later, right now we are busy lying on the sofa watching re runs of JRs last Gopher tossing bout in the Octagon. I'll bring the US bucks to Jackson JR. Make sure Bruce brings his share, he started it all:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:55:06 -0800 (PST) From: Jeremy Anderson Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] sparring To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good idea. How big do you make the asterisk? Jeremy Anderson. --- Jye nigma wrote: > I practice a 6 point star drill. Basically, you draw a large asterik > (sp?) on the floor. Look on your key board at the number eight. The > symbol above the number eight is what you'll draw on the ground. You may > want to construct this with tape. Now what you do is practice minimal > movement on this asterik. You can start out in your fighting stance > where on foot stays in the center of the asterik, and the other moves on > the end of a line. Next you may want to work moving along the outer > points, or you may want to practice switching feet from center to outer > points. > > Now this helps with footwork in that you are learning to move but with > minimal space. It also teaches you angular movements, or circular > movements just like in pa kua (for this the space between the outer > points become an arc). You can also use this training to aid in body > mechanics to learn to deflect, evade, etc oncoming strikes. This can be > done alone, and/or with a partner. > > With a partner, one attacks and the other defends with the movements I > mentioned above. You can also practice deflecting or evading by placing > both hands on your hips and turning "with" the strike but utilizing the > center and outer points for footwork. > > Jye > > > Richard Tomlinson wrote: > Any ideas for sparing drills for side moving or steping out there? > Thanks, > sandy. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:59:27 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Aussie Instructor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net John writes: > I am seeking a instructor here in Australia can anyone recommend one? Hello John: I personally saw a great bunch of people training very hard under Master Geoff Booth. I was impressed with their skill AND work ethics. First time I ever had people in one of my seminars stand in line eager to experience pressure points and necks cranks:) Give Master Booth a try, and I am sure you'll be happy. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 16 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:14:38 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Martin To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Tibetan Gopher MA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would also like info on this. It appears that TGT would go well with my TKD training. Of course, in Colorado, USA we don't have any gophers that I know of. Would prairie dogs work? ... Dang, I just realized that they have become a protected specis in Colorado so we would only be able to practice non-contact TGT. Any help for me? Robert Martin V Dan TKD White belt TGT Message: 9 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:14:47 +1100 From: Power Hapkido To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Tibetan Gopher MA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all, I hope this post finds you I have not had the best of luck in posting in the DD. I am a Hapkido student here in a lonely part of Australia and I have heard about this martial art called Tibetan Gopher Throwing (or tossing I think it depends on translation from ancient Aztec) and I am seeking a instructor here in Australia can anyone recommend one?????? The more I read I believe my Dutch heritage will do me well in TGT. Regards John Baade "To further clarify the Dutch connection with the dreaded Tibetan Gophers, it should be noted that this connection is a direct result of the Dutchmen's zest for trade with the East. The value of the Tibetan critter was such that the Dutch wanted to bring it to back Europe, where the art of Gopher tossing was fast becoming popular in the 1400s." --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest