Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:11:16 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #81 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Tournament (luke rose) 2. Insurance (luke rose) 3. Conditioning (luke rose) 4. Knife Defenses (FirstPe315@aol.com) 5. USTU (andrew pratt) 6. The Issue od Korean Affiliation (Chosondo@aol.com) 7. Knife defense drills (Barrie Restall) 8. Re: Hapkido Styles (blueknightpi@att.net) 9. Nigerian Mission (Ken McDonough) 10. (no subject) (joseph lumpkin) 11. Shoulder Throws (David Weller) 12. Tang Soo Do (Chris Jones) 13. Starting a school (Charles Richards) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:59:47 -0800 (PST) From: luke rose To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Tournament Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, My name is Mary and I live in Oklahoma City, If you don't remember me My husband died in an accident at Ft lewis WA, I started taekwondo 11 months ago and I have just received My orange belt with a stripe. I love taekwondo so much it seems to be the air I breath and the reason for getting up in the morning (not a bad thing). Hi Mary, My name is Luke and I'm from the north woods (wisconsin). I don't know the circumstances of your husband's death but you have my sincere condolences. I know what you mean by "it seems to be the air I breath". There are days it seems to be the single reason to keep pushing and moving forwards. Are you competing in the tournament? If so, let me know how you do. Its good to know you are enjoying the arts. It is a way of life for me and I enjoy it very much as well. Luke --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:06:40 -0800 (PST) From: luke rose To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Insurance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, Just wanted to know if anyone has a good and fairly inexpensive insurance company for martial art schools. I'm a starving artist and don't have much money but at the present I need liability insurance. Any suggestions? Sincerely, Luke --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:31:04 -0800 (PST) From: luke rose To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Conditioning Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, I've been doing consistent bone conditioning for a few months. I sit in the steam room at the athletic club and I hit the marble bench with just about every part of my hand I can think of. I do this between fifty and a hundred times and about three to four times a week. I bet some of the people in the club wonder "what is that banging noise coming from the steam room all about". They probably think it's under repairs or something. I also use bamboo to increase the bone density of my forearms and shins. I use it by repeatedly hitting my bones. Of coarse it is really nice for sparring and breaking because it doesn't hurt to make contact with the conditioned parts anymore. However, where do I stop so I'm not crippled by the time I'm forty? I'd like to know other people's conditioning procedures and any comments to my own. Sincerely, Luke --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:38:23 -0500 From: FirstPe315@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Knife Defenses Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Not to sound rude, because I am just incapable of such... Bend his wrist and stab him in the gut with his own knife. Exactly how do you do that if both of your hands are on his hand. Sheer strength. Well then, that would not only go against Hapkido principles, but that would be exactly impossible for the 5'2" 100 pounds student of mine to do it on the 6'7" 270 pound student I have. Principles always win out! "X-Block". We still blocking knives these days. Against somebody who "knows" how to use a knive that will get your wrists cut off. How about moving properly first. When you move properly you can do just about ANYTHING to break the balance and effect a permanent or temporary defeat. Unless you have NO recourse I wouldn't go trying those kind of techniques myself. Jeff In a message dated 2/17/2004 10:03:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > 2) Grab his hand with both your hands, thumbs on the back > of his hands, bend > his wrist, and stab him in the gut with his own knife > > 3) Downward X block, --__--__-- Message: 5 From: andrew pratt To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:36:07 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] USTU Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, I don't know about the other committee members, but from the previous discussion, wasn't it suggested that Lee Sang's goal was to become the head of the WTF? According to his resignation letter, hasn't he now achieved that goal (due to the fall of Kim Unyong)? Therefore he is willing to let the USTU be sacrificed now that he has received the WTF appointment... To the future (not the mud-stained dirty past) Andrew Pratt Project Manager Synovate Business Consulting Phone (822) 3277 9668 Fax (822) 313 4929 12th Fl. The Korea Economic Daily Building 441, Chunglim-dong, Chung-ku, Seoul, 100-791 Korea www.synovate.com The information in this e-mail may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us and do not copy or disclose the contents to any other person. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Chosondo@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:55:08 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] The Issue od Korean Affiliation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mr. Marc Jones: I think you have answered all of your own questions. As I once told one of my collegues, Master Lumpkin, the validity of what you are doing will be proven with the test of time. If you really take a close at the Kanji/Hanja that describes this, it's really about an idea, a system if you will, that flows through time. Therefore, it's really your students who will prove or disprove what you have done. I enjoyed your post. Thank you. Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster ICF --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Barrie Restall" To: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:13:20 +1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Knife defense drills Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here is another interesting drill: Strip to the waist and have the attacker use a marker pen as a knife; marks on the defenders body will show a succesful attack. Several things come out of this exercise, particularly if the attacker knows something about using a knife. 1. You will get cut. Present a non fatal target so any wounds do not impair the defence. 2. Counter-attacking a good knife man is very difficult. Typically 2 successful defences for every 10 attacks. A good fighter can fake to the eyes and deliver a thrust under the sternum in the blink of an eye. And if you do not tie up the knife hand the knife man will switch the knife to the other hand. Knife fighters are tricky, they dont just thrust, do big swings or overhead stabs; they feint, wrong foot you, manipulate the gap. 3. The most successful defence is to attack before the knife wielder attacks you (about 8/10 success rate). Try this with your favourite defences. Kind regards, Barrie Restall --__--__-- Message: 8 From: blueknightpi@att.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:29:58 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido Styles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On the one hand we are told that "Hapkido" existed for years and that practices that were in place a thousand years ago, were called something else, and are not well known to the bulk of current Hapkidoin are true 'Hapkido". ...and other other hand anyone who teaches their own style of Hapkido even though they trained in Hapkido for years should call it something else other than Hapkido. Kind of a Catch 22, illogical, and just not practical. Hapkido is an eclectic art. My analogy is that a Sushi Chef works with a variety of materials to make a presentation to someone. I have no trouble understanding that if the dishes were all made with cornbread as the main ingediant none of us would be willing to call the food, Sushi. If the chef makes lousy Sushi with bad fish and poor presentation his restaurant will eventually close (don't we all hope at least that it will), but it is still Sushi. If too many extraneous elements are introduced then it might become Asian Fusion food, and need a new name. If its base is Hapkido (and with all those diverse ancient elements a very valid argument can be made for lots of diversity in emphasis), then it is Hapkido. You know walks like, talks like, and quacks like. Of course we will have to pass each art/style and any variations under someone's scrutiny to be sure we are legimate, because we need a sole authority on all of this to keep us straight and to be sure that any use of the term Hapkido does not disturb the intellectual property rights of whomever it is that owns Hapkido. Nominations for sole authority are now open..... --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:32:34 -0800 (PST) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Nigerian Mission Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi: Pssst ! Been trying to read when I can. I was contacted by Pentagon officials. Headed to Nigeria to investigate email scams and bank fraud. The McD man sez don't give your bank account to any posers who give you sob stories. Hoping the martial arts skills will help but packin nevertheless ! Keep the greasy side down. The McD Man (aka Big Ken) P.S. The 57 is runnin good. Sounds great. P.S. 2. Keep practicing. Practice makes good. "Wax on, wax off." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "joseph lumpkin" To: The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:28:03 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Bruce; Your reply reminded me of long conversations with my ex-wife. She also thought that if she had never heard of someone or some thing they were nothing. There are many roads to legitimacy. Most of them do not come through or even near you. If 32 years in Hapkido and the backing of those such as Ian Cyrus and others does not do it for you, then .... well.... sorry. It is not something I worry much about. I suppose if you have a big gripe you should take it up with Ian, or the others who have giving blessings. I kept to myself for many years, until I found a cause I believed in. Now I have decided to do something in the art for a purpose beyond myself. You will just have to deal with it. Both you and I have put in our time. Both you and I have styles we are devoted to. Now, your art may be a bit Chinese if it is a Kuk Sool flavor, or it may be a bit Japanese if it is a Shinsei flavor, but it is still Hapkido. Rudy says our techniques are good but we look a bit too Japanese. That is fine with me and I take it as a compliment when Rudy says the techniques are good. You will have to take the efficacy up with those who have seen the style. Oh - one other small observation - just because a word is multi-syllabic, or a sentence is run-on does not mean it is not trash talk. It is just pretty trash. This is a nice place but if I were to judge as you do I can't take you guys very seriously, after all...I had never heard of you before I signed on to the DD. Except for Master Timmerman and Master Kimm. Be well and keep up the golden trash it serves as great bait to keep the DD going. Very entertaining! Joseph Lumpkin author of the book Mystical Christianity www.1stbooks.com/bookview/14737 and Encounter the Warrior's Heart www.1stbooks.com/bookview/18526 _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 11 From: David Weller Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:32:47 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Shoulder Throws Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Sims wrote : > All shoulder throws, for instance are not > created equal, and the same goes for the philisophical underpinnings. Shoulder throws have Philosophical underpinnings ?? Call me crazy, but I don't get it. \ have a groovy day, dave weller --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Chris Jones" To: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:45:05 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Tang Soo Do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was wondering if there were any TSD aficionados out there in Dojang-land living in Maine. I had studied the art for a number of years before I went to college, and now that I have graduated and been in the workforce a few years, I find myself saddened that my school is 300+ miles away and that no one I know of locally practices this style. Long story short, I’m looking to see if anyone in this area (Maine…western central Maine to be more specific) practices and would be interested in getting me back up to speed. Thanks, Chris --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:50:11 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Starting a school Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dan writes, "... I've been a periodic poster but mostly reader. I'm 20 and about half way through college now, working actively at my Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do. I was just wonering if anyone out there had their own stories they'd like to share about opening their own school, what works, what doesnt, horror stories, Successes ect. It's something I'd someday like to do after making 4th degree Blackbelt. For one thing, I'm afraid I'd have a harder time than most Because I'm not Korean. So, Lets hear some stories :-)" Dear Dan, First off Being Korean making you a better instructor/coach is a crock of you know what. The yo-yo down the street from me send me a red blooded American every other month for pulling that line in an enrollment. They walk and come to my school and relate to me that they were very offended by that presumption. As to starting your own school, here's a little action plan. 1. Ask your instructor about an apprenticeship with guidance. Be sure any compensation or non-compete agreements are in writing and fair. 2. Search through the archive for the DD as this thread has come up several times. 3. Feel free to email me off list for several opinions and experiences. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com Blue Belt Tae Kwon Do __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest