Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:34:08 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #85 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Hapkido_vis_Christianity?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 2. First start (Charles Richards) 3. RE: Korean Wins at Pride FC (Kip McCormick) 4. Re: Becoming one (Klaas Barends) 5. Starting off right (Rudy Timmerman) 6. Pro Hapkido Championship (FirstPe315@aol.com) 7. Pro-Hapkido Championship Contact Info. (FirstPe315@aol.com) 8. Referal request (Charles Richards) 9. Re: trash talking (luke rose) 10. Re: Looking for a taekwondoist (Jye nigma) 11. Und vat ist Hapkido? (Burdick, Dakin R) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:56:38 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Hapkido_vis_Christianity?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear George: I don't think that the analogy of is even half wrong. The problem is not in the source, but what people make of the source to suit their own agendas. Just like with Ji's interpretation of Hapkido, the over-riding numbers of current Christian faiths draw on Paulist traditions and his deviation from focusing only on Jews and spreading Christian faith to Gentiles. Subsequently Paulist beliefs split between the Latin and Orthodox churches with the Latin Church undergoing the Protestant Reformation and producing yet another range of faithes. And I haven't even mentioned how many traditions have been adopted and subsumed into the Latin (aka Catholic) faith including beliefs of Western tribes, various beliefs of Eastern traditions, and even shifts from African beliefs. Many parallels with the historty of Hapkido arts there. And where is Bruce in all of this? Bruce is putzing around Nag Hamadi and the Dead Sea checking out the scrolls and asking how it is that these things were forgotten or left out of Christian traditions. Bruce is meandering around Ethiopia and the Sudan wondering about the Coptic traditions and their Gnostic underpinnings. Why are the Apocalyptic writngs of the Jews and Early Christians ignored? Nobody wants to read the Gospel of Thomas or the Gospel of Peter? In other words it seems damn convenient that the modern definition of the Hapkido arts always seems to come back to the path of least investment! How much easier to say that "Hapkido is whatever GM Ji says it is" or "who cares" then invest oneself and help with identifying and adhering to increasingly important parameters. Its much easier to ignore guidelines like those laid out by the KHF, or discount them because one is not of that organization. Why admit that people need to spend time on the mat and get better at what they do before presenting themselves as "Grandmasters" and the origin of some new art? I think the analogy is right on the money and right down to buying space on magazine covers. As a Buddhist I cannot pretend that I don't get just a little tired of the Dalai Lama being identified as the spokesman for the Buddhist world just because he is the most visible. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 14:14:21 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] First start Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mary Anne wrote: "I think I'm losing my train of thought so I'll finish with one last point - don't give up! The experience that myself and my friends are having with this new school is making us appreciate more everything that our former masters did for us to keep everything moving smoothly, as well as making us all the more proud to be martial artists." Mary Anne, Most successful business owners are rebounding from their third to seventh failure...often including a bankruptcy or two. I'm on my 7th club/location and after 13 years of teaching, the last three years are the first with a plus cash flow and my first commercial location on my own. There are many days I long for a partner to "share the load" of day to day classes, to do lists, cleaning the dojang, etc. But then I get all the rewards when I catch my students doing something right. Pil Sueng! Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Kip McCormick" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Korean Wins at Pride FC Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 14:20:08 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig- I haven't heard of the club, but, having gone to the Pride fights here in Seoul, there are numerous clubs who show up at the gymnasium sporting some sort of "Brazilian JuiJitsu" or "thai kickboxing" clubs run by folks many Korean masters over here have never even heard of. A quick observation on the Pride fights here in Seoul. At the first fight last year there were a handful of non-Korean spectators in the crowd (I brought several of my students to the fight) and we were all approached to come train at the various gymnasiums in the Seoul area w/ schools I've never heard of, all sporting some form of grappling/kickboxing/ultimate flavor of the day curriculum. I'm seeing several hapkido schools pop out of the blue over here, offering a juijitsu program. On a sidenote, the first Pride fight I went to had a young American fighter beat the living tar out of a Korean kid. The next fight a few months later, he was defeated in an excellent match by a Korean kid who had improved greatly since the first bout. The korean, it seemed, had transformed from being a fighter who was locked in w/ rules (first fight) to one who was just plain brutal on the mat (second fight a few months later). It'll be interesting to see how the fighters over here evolve with experience. Master Scott Seo is the driving force behind the fights over here and he's doing a great job. I encourage anyone who's over here to come check out the fights if they're going on while you're in country. Cheers. Kip McCormick >From: "Stovall, Craig" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Wins at Pride FC >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:07:27 -0600 > >Just thought it was interesting to see news of a Korean fighter winning his >match at the recent installment of Pride FC (the Bushido 2 show). >According >to the sources I saw, Choi Mu Bae of Korea defeated his Japanese opponent >(Yusuke Imamura) by way of a choke in round 1 of their fight. You just >don't see a lot of Koreans doing the NHB/MMA thing (at least at big shows >like Pride, UFC, etc), so the news kind of struck me as interesting. > > > >Supposedly he is a wrestler, and is affiliated with 'Team Tackle/KPW >Korea'. >Never heard of them. Anybody on this list know anything? > > > > >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > >This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information >intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. 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As I tell my students, in Hapkido I am not > interested in becoming “one” with my partner. I want to make him “one” > with the floor. I was always told that in HKD you use the force of your opponent against him. You as the hapkido-practioner DON'T use any force. How can you accomplish this without becoming one with your opponent? Only by using force I guess. And using force is not a part of my HKD philosphy. -- mvg. Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 04:23:40 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Starting off right Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mary Anne writes: > Make sure though that you're not > stealing those good friends from your old club - it doesn't pay to burn > bridges. I think I'm losing my train of thought so I'll finish with > one > last point - don't give up! The experience that myself and my friends > are > having with this new school is making us appreciate more everything > that our > former masters did for us to keep everything moving smoothly, as well > as > making us all the more proud to be martial artists. Hello Mary Anne: You provided some good food for thought for new school owners. I have seen lots of students go their own way and "influence" their friends to follow. Many times, these folks will end up quitting altogether, because the new school does not provide what they were used to, and they are too proud or embarrassed to go back to the old. Hence, everyone loses. With the attitude you have, your old Instructor will (should) be proud and happy to help you along. Not often students realize the value of their Instructor until they no longer have his/her support. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 6 From: FirstPe315@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:38:10 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Pro Hapkido Championship Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To the Membership- The WHA (World Hapkido Association) is sponsoring it's first Pro-Hapkido Championship in Thousand Oaks, CA at the Thousand Oaks Spectrum Club on May 22, 2004. The basic rules will be full-contact to the body and legs (kicking and punching), ANY throws, locks, sweeps, takedowns are allowed, Grappling is perfectly acceptable. The idea is to not turn it into a bloodbath and make it more technically oriented in terms of skill. Therefore, no head punching or kicking and no "striking" on the ground. If somebody doesn't tap out, get chocked out or locked out, the fighters are stood up after 60 seconds and they begin again. You do score points for techniques but there is no time-limit, just a point threshold. It combines the best of some of the harder tournaments such as the Sabaki and is skill oriented like traditional BJJ tournaments but allowing practically all techniques within a Hapkido arsenal. Should be fun and interesting and quite the learning experience. We want to encourage any and all Hapkido practitioners and organizations to participate if they so desire. Sincerely, Mr. Hindley WHA Representative --__--__-- Message: 7 From: FirstPe315@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:42:30 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Pro-Hapkido Championship Contact Info. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Please forgive- For detailed infromation, questions or downloadable rules / registration forms, please contact: Mr. Daniel Mullenix, Tournament Director regarding any questions you may have @ DanMullenix@WorldHapkido.com Respectfully, Mr. Hindley WHA Represntative --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:54:34 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Referal request Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear all, I currently have a student who will be moving to Wisconson so her mother can care for grandpa (mother's dad). The student is an 11 y/o female, just tested to 7th gup Orange belt in Tang Soo Do. It is anticipated that the family will be in Wisconson for two months (June and July)so I'm looking for a temporary place for her to train. Location is Greenbay/Ce Perce, WI 54303, 54304, 54302, 54115 & 54311 are zips given to me by the family. Feel free to email me off list. Many thanks, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:55:31 -0800 (PST) From: luke rose To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: trash talking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Kevin, I agree with your responds to trash talking. All the letters and words that we "all supreme human beings" have put together are nothing but symbols. IMHO, we have to look past the symbols and see what we are trying to communicate. If you don't have the correct edict is your statement invalid? IMHO, NO! Try to put yourself in the other people's shoes. See what they are seeing and you just might understand and be able to relate. IMHO, we already understand and just like to get our 2 cents in or the last word. It may not be that we martial artists don't get along as much as we are so much alike. For some reason to me it seems that alikeness can have as much conflict as unalike qualities. In short, to place to great a value on a symbol is limiting. To "free your mind" is to expand your understanding and not necessarily your vocabulary. Now this is not to say that knowledge of communication is obsolete, but that acceptance is not only the symbols to form the word but the diverse mind willing to look at it. You get all kinds of stuff on the DD. I really like this web-site. You all have my gratitude. Please respond if you like. Sincerely, Luke --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 04:25:09 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Looking for a taekwondoist To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I can find you an address and a current phone number (if available) email me offline. Jye "Grant D. Watson" wrote: A few months ago I ordered a 1965 copy of Maj. Gen. Choi's _Taekwon-Do_, through an online used-book site, from a store in Wyoming. When my book arrived I was quite surprised to find that tucked inside were two first dan certificates -- one from Chung Do Kwan, one from the KTA -- for a Donald Gordon Sutton. They are dated September 1970. I looked online then to see if I could find someone by that name associated with Tae Kwon Do, knowing my changes were small, and I didn't find him. At my instructor's suggestion I've gone looking for him again. According to AT&T's online phonebook there is a Donald Sutton in Wyoming, but before I started making phone calls I thought I'd ask here if anybody knows him, or knows where to find contact information for him. Your help would be much appreciated. ===== Grant D. Watson, __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:36:26 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Und vat ist Hapkido? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael Rowe wrote: "If you have studied long and hard and have found that for some reason the art/system/way that you have practiced for the last two decades (the minimum time in my opinion to even have a grasp of what you have learned) is flawed in someway and you want to make changes and you do. What do you call it?" Hapkido. And it looks like you agree with the reasons behind that. Ie. Hapkido has a broad curriculum and can accommodate a lot of stylistic differences. "If the changes you have made are cosmetic in nature (a change in the order of techniques taught, or the clothing worn, or simply a emphasis in a specific area) and a person can not tell the difference between a student of 1st Dan from your method vs the old one then you are truly still teaching the same art/system/way." We wear the same clothing (why not?) but there is definitely a difference between my 1st dans and what I looked like as a 1st dan. We don't really change much of the order of the techniques taught (because I'm still in the USHF and my instructor is still teaching his way), but what we do is pretty different. About half of the locks are different, the entries are different, and the mindset is different. But it is still what I would have thought of as hkd (kicks, punches, throws, locks). "If you change the basic philosophy of what you have learned changed the methods in which the techniques are taught as well as the order of learning, if you have changed the why things are done and possibly the how, and maybe even added some techniques that are very useful but were not part of what you originally learned, but have managed to maintain the core of the art/system/way then you are what is called a style of the same art/system/way (Ji Do Kwan Taekwondo vs Chung Do Kwan Taekwondo)" Why differentiate a style? To me the only reason to do this is to make it marketable, and I think there are a lot of better ways to make a living than the martial arts. That's just my opinion of course. "I have trademarked R.E.A.L. Defensive Tactics (R.E.A.L. stands for Realistic, Effective, Adaptable, and Legal)" That's cool. I used to teach ACS (American Combative Science) with Will Widmeyer (who still teaches it) but I'm now more inclined to call what I do "getting hit in the head lessons," as a reference to the Monty Python show. Humor and the martial arts are a good mix I think -- Jackie Chan was onto something there. Yours in the arts, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest