Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:25:08 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #90 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Re: Breaking (Jye nigma) 2. NH State tournament (Dragons81@aol.com) 3. LOOKING FOR KUK SOOL WON SCHOOL (Karen Oh) 4. Korean Gov't recognized Hapkido (ABurrese@aol.com) 5. Something in common... (Stovall, Craig) 6. Looking for a school in Orlando... (Jason Thomas) 7. Re: indomitable spirit (Jye nigma) 8. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Indominable_Spirit?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 9. Re: Re: Craig and conditioning (Jye nigma) 10. RE: Becoming One - Part Deux (Stovall, Craig) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:26:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Breaking To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here's a break video for you: http://www.ironpalm.com/CoconutLevel2PalmBreakPracticeOctober52003SiteClipFinal.wmv Jye luke rose wrote: Hello All, I really enjoy breaking as well. I also agree with some people's view on power breaks. Ouch, can be a very reasonable statement. I recently had about 150 kids come through an athletic club where I have my school and classes. Each part of the athletic club got a half an hour with each group of students. In all there was eleven groups. I had the police department come down and assist in giving a demonstration. I thought it went very well and on top of that it was FREE! What wonderful publicity. Getting back to breaking, my last demonstration was breaking. I preformed a variety of techniques. Some of those included speed or free hand breaks. That is when no one is holding on to the board when it is broken. A lot of those where with three or four boards. Also included in each breaking demonstration was one cinder block. In all I broke approximately sixty boards and eleven cinder blocks. I alternated sides of my body for breaking and even though I had no injuries I was quite soar by late evening. I have not broke that much in about five years. Everybody enjoy the breaking and let me know how it goes. Have fun, Luke --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Dragons81@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:39:20 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] NH State tournament Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The New Hampshire state TKD championship will be on March 27th in Durham, NH. I won the gold in 2002 but did not attend the 2003 tournament. Anyone else going to this tournament? --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:47:50 -0500 From: "Karen Oh" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] LOOKING FOR KUK SOOL WON SCHOOL Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net hi--i'm looking for a kuk sool won school in the NYC area--I just moved here recently. does anyone know of a place in the city or boroughs? the only place i could find was in Briarcliff or something about an hour outside the city. you can email me at karen@maketheroad.org thanks! karen --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:44:53 -0500 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Gov't recognized Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just to clear some confusion regarding Hapkido organizations that are government recognized. There is not just "one." There used to be three a few years ago, and then last year there were five and now there are at least 10 Hapkido organizattions in Korea recognized by the government. In the near future, more of the 40 or so HKD orgs in Korea will be recognized. It's not as big a deal as some would make it sound in their promotional activities. Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:56:10 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Something in common... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dana wrote, <<>> There's probably a lot of truth in that. We're both too smart for our own good, and we offer a passionate opinion when the path of least resistance would probably compel us to keep our mouths shout. However, taking into account the marvelous blessings that were bestowed upon me at birth, I think it's safe to say that there's no way he's as good looking as I am;) Craig "Full of It" Stovall CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Jason Thomas" To: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:03:46 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Looking for a school in Orlando... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One of my students is moving to Orlando. Could anyone recommend a school? He is an 8th gup in TKD in his mid 40's. Thanks, Jason --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:07:42 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] indomitable spirit To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Simply put brave. Jye PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk wrote: I have been talking to my twins about the indomitable spirit. I wanted to get the opinion of others on this one. indomitable means unyielding or unbreakable. and we all know what spirit means. however, could indomitable spirit be compared to courage in its broadest sense? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:08:49 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Indominable_Spirit?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Peter: "......I have been talking to my twins about the indomitable spirit. I wanted to get the opinion of others on this one. indomitable means unyielding or unbreakable. and we all know what spirit means. however, could indomitable spirit be compared to courage in its broadest sense?...." To my way of thinking Indominable Spirit is probably the single most important Characteristic that a person can foster. I bet you're wondering how I come to this when so many people focus on the O-Gae with its loyalty to ones country and fielty to ones' parents, etc. Actually, this little turth comes from both personal experience and the research I have done over the years. It comes together like this. Hapkido, whether you are talking about the Physical plane or the Intellectual plane, Emotional or Spiritual plane comes back to surviving. Many times such survival, itself,comes down to just keeping going when you have every reason in the world to quit. A Holocaust survivor of Auschwitz, Victor Frankl, made it very clear that people who had a reason to keep going, and made that choice a priority, outlived people who sat down and gave up. Survivors of the Bataan Death March reported the same thing, as did workers on the Thai-Burma Railway, inmates at the Hanoi Hilton, and the Anglican representative Terry Waite when he was held in Lebanon. But lets put these more dramatic case to one side and just focus on day-to-day life. How many times have you dealt with a bureacracy and felt yourself getting ground down by protocols and paperwork. Try calling the cityhall in Chicago sometime if you need a REAL test for your spirit! Ever called the US federal offices and been passed from one person to another? How about being caught in rush-hour traffic? Actually, and I mean no disrespect to survivors of terrible events, sometimes I think these day-to-day tests for indominable spirit are tougher as the rewards to shoot for are rarely anything as momentus as staying alive. Its hard to do the right thing when ever other influence in the world is giving you leave to do something else. My sense is THAT is why people often think of mountains when they speak of something that is indominable. Its not so much that mountains are "strong" but that they resist being ground down by forces that work on them on a daily basis. FWIW. BTW: Thanks for providing an opportunity to speak to this. Right now I feel a whole lot better than I have been. :-) Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 12:25:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Craig and conditioning To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a better training tool for you. This is an apparatus I made for myself. You need: 3 thick yellow pages phonebooks, nails, duct tape, a 7ft long wooden pole (like what they put mailboxes on), cement, shovel. Now, dig a nice deep hole in the ground at lest 1-2 feet deep, put the pole in the hole, fill the hole up with cement add water in the hole. Let that sit for a while then cover that hole with dirt and really pack it on there. Next open the telephone book and wrap it around the pole, nail the opened phon book to the pole I use 3 nails down the center of the spine of the yellow page, and 2 on the outer edges so the end result is a phone book wrapped around the pole. The next thing is to duct tape the entire SECURED phonebook. do this again for mid-section and low section. Now let that pole sit for a few days. After that the cement should be hard, and the pole should be VERY STURDY unable to move when pushed. Now you begin training on this, all your blocks/strikes, etc. I practiced punches, slaps, chokes cranes beak, etc on this. I train drills and everything. ****VERY important, keep rubbing alcohol close by because if you hit the phonebooks wrong you will skin your hand. This is normal. start out at a nice slow, light force pace. then as time goes on you'll gradually dig right into that sucker. I noticed that during a good workout, I would have to pull the pole back towards me, so really the force of my blows have increased, and my conditioning has been improved as well. BE sure to wrap those wrists!!!! before and after a good workout on this, use your dit da jow, soak hands in extremely hot water, and apply your rubbing alcohol. Jye Jye luke rose wrote: Craig, Your right. I have no proof of an actual increase in bone density by blunt force trauma. You also made me think about putting my efforts into other areas. However, I definitely need some good conditioning to be able to preform breaking demonstrations and to hold up in sparring with out having to stop because of swollen body parts. Now I'm not saying that I need to able to kick down a small bamboo tree with my shin or repeatedly put my knuckles through concrete but I do need some good contact to stay conditioned. I need to be able to spar with my students and some of them like to go a little hard. I can't take a block and stop because my shin hurts. At different levels I expect a certain amount of conditioning and I think they expect it out of me. I like to lead by example. Now this is not to say that you don't but I need to be able to take a lick'in and keep on kick'in. Thanks for your response and I'll definitely look into Iron Palm. If you have any other insights please let me know. Sincerely, Luke --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:58:14 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Becoming One - Part Deux Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sometimes I think I give the impression of being a non-traditional eclectic that enjoys taking potshots at "established martial arts". That's good...because that's exactly what I am. Just kidding! Seriously, this whole issue of force/non-force is a good example of where I BELIEVE some folks let things get out of hand, and they begin to let "philosophy" run their fighting technique. Technique should come from necessity, not from a desire to adhere to some high-handed ideal of what is "proper" in a fight/self-defense. I'm reminded of a saying from one of my silat teachers..."There is no dignity in fighting...only survival". Talking about being able to defeat someone with no force...honestly, it just smacks of wanting to "look good" rather than dealing with the reality of a fight. I'm of the opinion that one CAN use an opponents force against them. I am also of the opinion that one CAN'T really do this without exerting some of your own force (unless you are fighting a blinded Don Knotts). The best example of this that comes to mind is the principle of "kazushi" from Judo...the principle of taking an opponents balance. At it's highest level, a well-timed throw that has been set up with proper kazushi can send someone flying as if by magic. As magical as it looks, there's still a heck of a lot of force at work. The classic example is of Player A pulling the gi of Player B (A uses a pulling force). As Player B pulls back to resist, Player A responds by pushing Player B, and uses the combination of B's pulling force along with the pushing force to overpower them. Any way you cut it...there's force at work. It is an intelligent use of force, but force, nonetheless. And this can be seen done time-and-time again against fully resisting opponents. Remember the famous story about Kano...he was politely told to "go train elsewhere" when he started using the kazushi principle against his "seniors" in the highly Aiki influenced arts of jujutsu. This same unbalancing principle can be seen in both Greco-Roman wrestling, as well as freestyle. You haven't lived until you've been on the mat with a good wrestler. When they get ahold of your handles, you'll think you've got whiplash. That's how fast they can make you change directions. And they will forever distinguish the notion that what they do is "all muscle". Whole lotta skill there, and just like Judo, it can be seen demonstrated against fully-resistant opponents. So, we see the same principle of "unbalancing/force redirection" manifested across two separate "arts"...Judo and wrestling. So, I appreciate the idea that we should strive to use an enemy's force against them. My only reservation is that this "ideal" must be tempered with a serious look at reality. Reality in terms of how fast we can react to what someone is doing in "real time", and reality in terms of how violence goes down between human beings. Suggesting that one can defeat an attacker without using one's own force...that seems like an extraordinary claim to me. And you know what they say about extraordinary claims... CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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