Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:26:09 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #91 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. middle ground (rich hodder) 2. Congratulations to list member Dave Steffen (Christopher Spiller) 3. Re: no force hapkido (Klaas Barends) 4. New Site up (Wayne Watkins) 5. RE: indomitable spirit (Neil Burton) 6. Recovery with pride (Charles Richards) 7. inner thigh muscle (Pat Montini) 8. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Aikido_vs_Hapkido_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 9. motor skills (freddie bishop) 10. No Force (michael tomlinson) 11. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Virus_Concerns?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 12. Jacked up rednecks (David Weller) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "rich hodder" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:20:31 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] middle ground Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Timmermann (Rudy), You have vocalized the thinly disguised intent of my post 8^) fortunately, the veils of my electronic speech patterns are not to hard remove. Hopefully, those with large ego blinders on, will view this as an invitation to come and play with the BIG boys, (I, of course, do not consider myself to be in that category). I look forward to seeing everyone in Jackson next week, RichGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:59:04 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Congratulations to list member Dave Steffen Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I just wanted to send out a congratulations to DD member Dave Steffen. Dr. Steffen has been appointed to the Scientific Research Committee of the International Taekwon-Do Federation under Master Choi, Jung Hwa. Member profiles and information can be viewed at www.itf-online.com Taekwon, Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:28:28 +0800 From: Klaas Barends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: no force hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > It is much easier to harm someone than to control him. We are martial artists, we do things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard!!! That's why we practice hard! Don't we? > Nothing mystical > about it, just body mechanics. Nothing mystical indeed, but 'just body mechanics' makes the art death (IMHO). -- mvg. Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Wayne Watkins" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:31:28 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] New Site up Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net OK folks first rule, this site is for amusement only. I have gotten the name registered and the site is born. If any of you have any web design are artistic ability and would like to contribute please contact me by email. Please do not borrow for anyone else without their permission. Tell me what you think we need: a.. History page b.. membership requirements c.. list of authorized school d.. official mascot e.. Techniques page f.. Philosophy page g.. shockwave stuff h.. Flash stuff You get the idea. Uncle Ray does not want us tying up this list so contact me wwatkins@jam.rr.com http://www.tibetangopherthrowing.com/ --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Neil Burton" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] indomitable spirit Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:49:13 +0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Peter Straight from the itf-information website (which is straight from Taekwon-Do (The Korean Art of Self Defence) AKA The condensed Encyclopaedia): ------------------------------- Indomitable Spirit (Baekjool Boolgool) "Here lie 300, who did their duty," a simple epitaph for one of the greatest acts of courage known to mankind. Although facing the superior forces of Xerxes, Leonidas and his 300 Spartans at Thermopylae showed the world the meaning of indomitable spirit. It is shown when a courageous person and his principles are pitted against overwhelming odds." "A serious student of taekwond-do will at all times be modest and honest. If confronted with injustice, he will deal with the belligerent without any fear or hesitation at all, with indomitable spirit, regardless of whosoever and however many the number may be" "Confucius declared, 'It is an act of cowardice to fail to speak out against injustice.' As history has proven, those who have pursued their dreams earnestly and strenuously, with indomitable spirit have never failed to achieve their goals" ------------------------------- So I guess that we can condense that to say the courage in the face of certain defeat is "indomitable spirit". I hope that one day I have this quality. Cheers Neil B (16 days to next grading and counting - good luck on your green tip!) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 20/02/2004 --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:55:25 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: Dojang Digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Recovery with pride Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Over the last three years I've been building our little north georgia dojang, doing everything myself as the only blackbelt. Over the last three months I started developing one of my ace 14 yo purple belts as my right hand. This past Tuesday, I had reconstructive surgery on my right ankle, and have been resting and recovering. I'm just taking a moment to boast about what a fine job this young man has done leading classes this week in my absence. I was hobbling around the back of the dojang tonight and he taught such a good class I almost felt like they didn't need me anymore :-) Funny how we work so hard to develop a leadership team, and then can't let go when they shine. For anyone out there that helps out around your dojang, I hope you know how valuable you are to your dojang/master! Be Well, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:37:03 -0500 From: Pat Montini To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] inner thigh muscle Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Recently, I have sprained the inner muscle of my thigh which has definitely affected the range of motion for executing roundhouse kicks. Other than stretching, are there any conditioning exercises that will help both to recover this muscle and also regain both confidence and muscle tone to regain the kick? Thank you Pat [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of pizzadp.vcf] --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:15:14 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Aikido_vs_Hapkido_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Klaas: "......My point was by the way that Bruce said it told his students he didn't want to become one with his partner/opponent. In his reaction I read that he sees it a a 'by-product' of training. Where I see it as the goal of my training. It's also the goal of Hankido (=what I practice) as developped by the late master Myung Jae Nam. (have a look at our website if you want to)....." I think each person is drawn to that MA that reflects their take on how the world comes together for them. In a way I could criticize Myung Jae Nams' approach to Hapkido as absorbing too much of the Aikido philosophy, but then, someone could say that the Yon Mu Kwan Hapkido and the Sin Mu Hapkido are maybe too "muscle-y" or too "Judo-like". I think that is probably a value judgement. For my students I do not discount the role of muscle or power in executing the technique. Rather I teach the gross motor skills from the beginning and gradually shape the execution to increasingly more accurate use of balance-breaking, vectors and biomechanics. At the risk of falling back on generalities, what I have seen of Aikido practice is quite a bit of emphasis on concepts such as "Oneness" and "Ki" for lower ranks while upper ranks (ie. Dan rankings) seem to become more pragmatic in their execution. In a way its as though the longer that one is in Aikido, the further one travels back in time to a place where Ueyshibas' technique was more "beefy" and less esoteric. The problem that I see with this approach is that people steeped in the esoterica then become conflicted about using the necessary amount of effort to make a technique work. The technique will always require some effort and perhaps more so against a resistant attacker. I have heard Hapkido (and Kumdo) both characterized as nothing more than "bad" Aikido and Kendo in their turns. I submitt that while related in some ways, the arts remain separate and distinct more often than not. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 05:41:09 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] motor skills Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My tae kwon do instructor is one of those guys that teach wrist bending during the self defense portion of class on Wednesday nights, and calls it Hapkido. Personally, Hapkido has to be more to it than bending a guys' wrist the wrong way. I think I have lost my ability to use fine motor skills during the few scuffles I've been in. My judo training is what saved my butt. I think is easier for me to use in a fight. I use my Tae Kwon Do striking skills and my knowledge of sensitive areas of the body to defend myself with. Fred __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:42:38 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] No Force Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think the idea of not using force in Hapkido gets confusing to alot of people. The mindset that you don't use "any" force or totally blend with your opponent's energy is kind of mute. Of course you have to use some force to react to your opponent. But, as the word of Hapkido means" the way of harmonious power", you use a smallest amount of force possible. Now how do you actually do this in a dynamic and realistic environment where bad people are trying to hurt you? It is done by your body angling, position in relation to your opponent and the positioning of your limbs when you do the techniques. By doing these things right it "seems" that you are not using any force.. I think that is where the confusion lies. When you step right with your body and limbs in the right position it creates a ripple effect that runs thru your opponents skeletal structure and effects his balance and "pain receptors". This seems kind of magic to some people and they start attaching all this philosophical verbage to it but in reality it is just good body mechanics. Much like using the proper position and technique to tackle someone on the football field, if done right it seems kind of magical also because the majority of the shock goes into your opponent.... Proper mechanics is everything IMHO and if you do it right it seems energyless, but in acuality I think it is more energy efficient... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 07:48:37 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Virus_Concerns?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Folks: After much finagling we are the proud owners of a new machine whose virus protection is pretty remarkable. I mention this because during a recent spate of off-line communications, I had a number of virus warnings pop-up on my screen. I'm wondering if people who were part of the "can you believe this guy" communications following the Bob Graham Letter might want to check their machines. The message that I got in my pop-up identified a "worm" but I didn't jot the name down (sorry). One other thing (and maybe this is just my paranoia getting the better of me). This is not the first time that I have noticed this. I also note that such events seem to coincide with a sharp drop in activity on the Nets. I am not sure whether one is causal tothe other or not. Maybe key folks are warned off of the Nets in advance before someone knowingly "infects" a particular population. I also thought that I would ask if anyone knows "hapkidoplayer@yahoo.com". I was sent an e-mail entitled "denied" and there was an some picture (tif or jpeg) file attached. I never was able to get the pic to open so I deleted the file. No big deal. I just wondered if it was something particularly important? FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 12 From: David Weller Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:27:25 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Jacked up rednecks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Stovall wrote: On Feb 27, 2004, at 5:01 AM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > it's not so easy to harmonize with the redneck who's jacked up on beer > and crank, and > who's throwing punches at your face while presenting an attitude of > constant > forward pressure. About the time you realize you've been punched seven > times in three seconds, he decides to take a page from his football > notebook > and tackles you to the ground. About the time you realize that you're > on > your back, you start to get punched again. This time he's sitting on > top of > you with one hand firmly around your neck, and the other pounding a > knot on > your head. I hear what you're saying, but what makes the adrenaline dump any less paralyzing for the attacker? Joe Dumbsh*t, who's just plain mean and likes to fight in bars, has a better handle on how to take that "page from his football" notebook than someone who actively "exercises in a martial manner" (how about that phraseology?) can "take a page from THEIR notebook"? I understand that the dynamics of a fight "in the street" differ greatly from what we might practice in our accountant filled schools, but it is also different from what you might see in your favored venue of "realistic" fighting and cage matches. My thought is that adrenaline is a component of a fight in a cage, or a Chop Suey tournament, albeit to a lesser extent, as well as a street fight. And I don't see how being somewhat conditioned to that "rush" by training with other like-minded accountants, school teachers and sissies can hurt anything. I do agreed that some of the more exotic stuff we learn is probably as useless as snow-cones in Siberia when the crap hits the fan, but they are rather fun to learn. And if we keep that in mind and include more realistic training in our bag 'o tricks, well, I think we're better off than no training at all. I know that men like Mr. Burrese(and others) have successfully used their joint locking and body tossing techniques in some rather nasty circumstances, and have lived to talk and write about it. But I've yet to be in a bar fight so who am I to talk? Worst situation I've ever been in was a confrontation with an 8 year old over a box of popcorn at the Spongebob Squarepants film festival. (the kid won;) I do enjoy your posts, always food for thought and little excessive mental diarrhea . Thanks dave weller --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues available @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest