Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 08:41:09 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #98 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: 20th International Seminar in Jackson (ABurrese@aol.com) 2. Call for papers: Korean Studies graduate student conference (Ray Terry) 3. Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #90 - Breaking Training aid (dave lyle) 4. DOT DRILL (Richard Tomlinson) 5. What does Korean Gov. recoignition mean? (ABurrese@aol.com) 6. RE: Re: 20th International Seminar in Jackson (Jason Thomas (Y!)) 7. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Endurance_under_Fire?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 8. RE: indomitable spirit (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 9. Master Lee's Jungdo and Hapkido School on Montrose (International Hapkido USA) 10. Free Certs (michael tomlinson) 11. Grandmaster Lim Seminar in Chicago (International Hapkido USA) 12. RE: RE: Jacked up rednecks (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:37:07 -0500 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: 20th International Seminar in Jackson Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To all the people attending the seminar this weekend, I wish you all the best of times and training. I wish I was going to be there. However, it is looking like I will be a new father on Monday the 8th, so you see why I won't be there. The doctor is pretty sure we will induce on that Monday, that's how I'm more sure of the date. We will know more Wed. after the ultrasound. Anyway, I will make future ones. Wish I could see everyone this year, and meet new people, but it will have to wait. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 07:43:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Call for papers: Korean Studies graduate student conference Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Dear Colleagues, we should be very obliged if you kindly could bring the attached notice concerning a graduate students' convention to the attention of prospective participants. Thanks for your help, with best regards Joerg Plassen FIRST CALL FOR PAPERS: KOREAN STUDIES GRADUATE STUDENT CONFERENCE, RUB With the support of Korea Foundation, the Korean Studies Dept. of Ruhr-Universitaet Bochum will host its first European graduate student convention this summer. Date: 23.6.2004, 12:00 - 24.6.2004, 17:00 Place: Internationaler Pavillion EuroEck, Spechtsweg 20, Bochum, Germany Character of event The convention will bring together graduate students at the pre-PhD level (as well as students writing their MA theses) from European universities. Over a duration of two days, the participants will present and discuss papers from their respective fields of Korean studies, and exchange information on their research projects. The graduate students' convention will take place prior to an international workshop under the title "From citation to adaptation: textual borrowings in Korean religion and philosophy". (June 25-27) Participants will be admitted for passive attendance in the ensuing workshop. Objectives The convention will afford young European scholars at the pre-PhD level an opportunity to exchange information about their research projects and to build ties among themselves. This will serve two main purposes: first, to strengthen networks within the next generation of the European Korean Studies community and to tie young scholars into this community; second, to provide professional experience to young Korean Studies scholars, who will in many cases present their research for the first time to an international audience. Participation The conference is open for PhD students in Korean Studies and other graduates who have finished or are about to finish their MA theses (others may participate passively). An informal eMail registration is required. Those who wish to present a paper are requested to submit an abstract of no more than 400 words length (preferably also by eMail) until March 31st latest. Travel Bochum is situated in the central part of Western Germany, and can be conveniently reached by rail, or by plane through Dusseldorf and Bonn/Cologne (German low cost airlines!). Information concerning affordable accommodation will be provided upon registration. Based on the abstracts, ten participants will be awarded travel subsidiaries of US$ 200. Contact/Further Information: karola.nossier@ruhr-uni-bochum.de joerg.plassen@ruhr-uni-bochum.de --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 08:48:40 -0800 From: "dave lyle" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #90 - Breaking Training aid Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I made a training aid for breaking using the following materials: 3-liter soda bottle two pairs of wife's old panty hose duct tape Cut the panty hose near the top of the leg. Encase the bottle all four legs. Fill bottle with water all the way to the rim. Let the bubbles settle and top off. Screw on the bottle top tight. Suspend the bottle by tieing the hose to an eye-hook Let the hose stretch by bouncing bottle up and down a couple of times. Wrap the bottle & hose in duct tape. Punch or kick away. I like this training aid because: The target is about the size of a board. I get instant feedback as to whether I hit the target center or not. I can gage the power of a punch by how far it swings in relation to other punches. It will toughen the skin on the knuckles without tearing or bruising them. It will last about a month before it breaks. It's cheap to make. Dave Lyle, Tucson --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:04:24 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] DOT DRILL Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi, can anyone explain the "Dot" drill used in school athletics? It was discussed a few weeks ago and a web site provided did not have any current info on this drill. Thanks, sandy. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 10:53:36 -0500 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] What does Korean Gov. recoignition mean? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net POSTED BY Ian Cyrus: Beyond that the real question should be, do you have a meaningful relationship with a teacher/mentor. Much can flow from that relationship and in my opinion transcends any organizational structure. My two cents worth... Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster ******************************************** I wrote something to this effect last night when responding to your first response to this topic. How right you are!!! Martial arts should be about the relationships you form with your instructor and fellow students along the path. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: 20th International Seminar in Jackson Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:56:19 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Congratulations early, as I will be writhing in pain from learning all the new locks and pressure points at Jackson... Well new to me anyway. Regards, Jason www.natkd.com -----Original Message----- From: ABurrese@aol.com [mailto:ABurrese@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:37 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: 20th International Seminar in Jackson To all the people attending the seminar this weekend, I wish you all the best of times and training. I wish I was going to be there. However, it is looking like I will be a new father on Monday the 8th, so you see why I won't be there. The doctor is pretty sure we will induce on that Monday, that's how I'm more sure of the date. We will know more Wed. after the ultrasound. Anyway, I will make future ones. Wish I could see everyone this year, and meet new people, but it will have to wait. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 10:25:59 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Endurance_under_Fire?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Peter: "......Bruce, thank you but do you think that COURAGE is an important ingredient for I/spirit?....." The modern rendering for the 4th tenent of the O-Gae is "Courage in the face of Injustice". This is quite a bit more intellectual than the older "Never to retreat in Battle". Likewise the older rendering of the 5th tenet ("To make a just Kill") is now represented by its more modern version of "Benevolence to all". I mention this not because I discount the role of Courage in persevering in the face of adversity. Rather I think we need to consider these terms rather in their more modern context. For me, an act of Courage is more of a choice made at a particular moment and under particular conditions. Whatismore, the assigning of the label "courageous" is often by people who observe the event from the outside, while the person actually acting rarely sees what they do as "courageous". Often when questioned about an act of courage, many people report simply doing what needed to be done for the good of all. I would not discount the role of courage in tolerance, or endurance or in perseverance. I just think that steadfastness, committment, priorities, "mental toughness" figure in more prominently over the long- haul than any single individual choice at a particular moment. If it is of any help at all I would point to a great number of fellow RVN vets who made the choice to take their own lives rather than to continue enduring the pain of their experience--- and within the context of continued aspersions cast on them by a culture which has never accepted these individuals back into their arms. Great numbers of these vets, now older vets, never re-couped an employment record or standing that other who did not serve came to have. They rarely have retirement programs to speak of, they have a higher frequency of drug use (both elicit and Rx), higher alcoholism, higher frequency of failed relationships, higher frequency of disenfranchisement and alienation and so forth. To continue to put one foot in front of the other, often entirely by themselves,without the usual reinforcements most members of society enjoy, defines Indominable Spirit. Perhaps this is of some help? FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 8 From: PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] indomitable spirit Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:55:41 -0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Neil, that was very useful. very deep I will study what you have written -----Original Message----- From: Neil Burton [mailto:neilb@codemuncher.com] Sent: 27 February 2004 03:49 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] indomitable spirit Peter Straight from the itf-information website (which is straight from Taekwon-Do (The Korean Art of Self Defence) AKA The condensed Encyclopaedia): ------------------------------- Indomitable Spirit (Baekjool Boolgool) "Here lie 300, who did their duty," a simple epitaph for one of the greatest acts of courage known to mankind. Although facing the superior forces of Xerxes, Leonidas and his 300 Spartans at Thermopylae showed the world the meaning of indomitable spirit. It is shown when a courageous person and his principles are pitted against overwhelming odds." "A serious student of taekwond-do will at all times be modest and honest. If confronted with injustice, he will deal with the belligerent without any fear or hesitation at all, with indomitable spirit, regardless of whosoever and however many the number may be" "Confucius declared, 'It is an act of cowardice to fail to speak out against injustice.' As history has proven, those who have pursued their dreams earnestly and strenuously, with indomitable spirit have never failed to achieve their goals" ------------------------------- So I guess that we can condense that to say the courage in the face of certain defeat is "indomitable spirit". I hope that one day I have this quality. Cheers Neil B (16 days to next grading and counting - good luck on your green tip!) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the number given, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "International Hapkido USA" To: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:05:25 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Lee's Jungdo and Hapkido School on Montrose Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello All, I recently heard that Master Lee's Wife had passed away, and that he had decided to return to Korea to live, therefore closing his school. One of his students notified me that the lease on the building had been lost and that Master Lee has removed the Mat and other belongings and the school is permanently closed. Several of his students have enquired about training with me - really not a plug - so any others that are interested, please give me a call or email me and if I am sure we can locate a place that will suit your needs. I work quite closely with many other organizations in the Chicago area. Thanks, Kevin Sogor www.intlhapkidousa.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 16:22:02 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Free Certs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thinking of Master Harold Whalen giving somebody, anybody a free Hapkido Certificate is truly humorous..I have been tortured during several belt tests by Master Whalen and have witnessed equisite Hapkido testing torture given not to some but to everyone by him. Now let me say I'm not complaining about his tests, I'm braggin about his test! When you get the nod from Master Whalen you KNOW you deserve it because you definately EARNED it. So to even think someone would have the audacity to "ask" for a certificate from him is hilarious... they would obviously not know him! Now don't get me wrong, IF you earn it he will hook you up, but you better come with your A game and put out or go home!!! Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "International Hapkido USA" To: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:11:43 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Grandmaster Lim Seminar in Chicago Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello All (again), I am coordinating the Grandmaster Lim Seminar in Chicago. The seminar will be March 20 from 11AM - 3PM at the Renaissance Hotel in Northbrook, this will be a great seminar - so plan to attend. To register via the internet, please visit www.maseminar.com or contact me directly for group discounts, I can be reached at intlhapkidousa@msn.com or at 312.217.2888 for any additional information. For information about the other seminars that Grandmaster Lim will be teaching, please visit www.ahahapkido.com and www.millersmudo.com which has details about all the East Coast Seminars. Thanks, Kevin SogorGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Jacked up rednecks Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:15:41 -0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net well what can I say? ! I have seen people try to use a non-combative style in combat and get badly hurt. not just physically, but their pride and their pocket. lets be honest people have spent alot of money on self defence. Rickson Gracie said that it is better to learn 2-3 useful, effective techniques rather than loads that do nothing for you. as many of you will know its not just exercise that makes you fit but the proper execution of the exercise the slow repetition that helps you to get toned and fit. like wise learn effective techniques that work. practice in the Dojang spar with better, bigger, stronger, quicker students. this isn't real life of course but you can learn mastery in this environment -----Original Message----- From: Stovall, Craig [mailto:CStovall@nucorar.com] Sent: 27 February 2004 20:59 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Jacked up rednecks Dave writes, <<>> You are quite right. It depends upon the nature of how the attacked has been "exercising in a martial manner" (I actually Do like that phraseology). My view is very simple. Aggressive movements that rely upon gross motor recruitment are more "user friendly" for the person in the midst of an adrenalized state. So, Joe Redneck who is relying upon his furious punches, and Pop Warner tackles is not necessarily going to have a monkeywrench thrown into his game plan due to the A-dump. In fact, the heightened arousal, increase in neuromuscular recruitment, and endorphin enduced pain tolerance will fuel these types of "amateur" tactics. In contrast, a well-conditioned martial artist that is well-schooled in a realistic striking modality (i.e., Savate, Muay Thai, as opposed to Drunken Monkey kung-fu), would also have a lower chance of having the A-dump completely throw off their "game". I would also say the same about a martial artist that is schooled in a realistic grappling system that is more heavily centered around approaching grappling from a gross motor level. I would include Judo, BJJ, Greco/Freestyle wrestling, Sambo, and some of the Hapkido I've seen. Of course, my preferences are shining through...I'm not promoting these arts as "shrines of truth". In my OPINION, the guy who is going to have a problem is "Joe Aikido" whose whole "game" is centered around the ability to blend/harmonize with an attacker. Per my opinion, that can be done on a certain level (see my post on kazushi), but it's not likely to be done on the same level that you see in a typical Aiki laboratory. I love the one where the "attacker" goes running after the "victim's" wrist, while victim just steps back, circles, and generally leads the attacker around like a dog chasing a pork chop on a string. Of course, they follow this up with some sort of "projection" to the attacker's high line (usually the face), that magically sends the attacker reeling back in the opposite direction. I guess they just repeat ad infinitum when the pissed off attacker gets up and comes back for me. I'm assuming that after getting off the ground 100 times they're too tired to care, and just pack it in. I realize I'm picking my shots here (and being slightly irreverent), and there's more to these types of "ki" arts than that. But, my example points to techniques that are farcical from start to finish, and one's that will leave the attacked with very little "technical" game to fall back on when the hammer drops. Please don't think I advocate some sort of a pure "MMA/NHB" curriculum as the pinnacle of self-defense/combatives training. I know my posts could lead one to think that, but it's not the case. There are many things that are applicable to a violent encounter (dirty/foul tactics) that can never be incorporated into a "sportive" training environment (except on a conceptual level...much like Atemi in Judo). These types of things are certainly on my radar screen, and part of my personal training. One thing I will say about "realistic fighting" or cage fighting (however one wishes to state it). I've seen trained martial artists go at it for real, and 90% of the time it looks like bad boxing, and even worse wrestling. All of this, regardless of whatever kind of esoteric training they've had. Believe me, "Joe Aikido" will start to abandon all those pretty turning throws, and start throwing a big right hand just as soon as he's pressed. My only comment on that is, "Then why the hell didn't you just train to throw a good right hand for the last ten years?". Indulge me for one moment...assuming that all of those "skills" degenerate into "bad boxing and wrestling" when Plan A goes out the window, then it makes a heck of a lot more sense to train to become a "good boxer and wrestler" as opposed to training in whatever ultra-sophisticated art one wishes to look good at. Make that your core, and then you can ice your cake with whatever flavor of "ki topping" that you want. But, the core must be simple, effective, and something that can be practiced in real time at least some of the time. This is assuming that "fighting" is the goal. People train for different reasons. So, I don't believe the trained martial artist will freeze up any faster than Joe Redneck. My only caveat is this...show me what you train, and (more importantly) how you train it. Then I'll give a prediction about the outcome. Joe Muaythai trains front switch-kick to the lead shin, right cross to the jaw, lead hook to the temple....over and over and over. Joe Taekwondo trains snap front kick to the nads, reverse punch to the jaw, front elbow to the jaw...over and over and over. Joe Judo trains to force the head-and-arm clinch, wedges his head under the opponents jawline to put the opponent's weight on their back foot, and then steps across that back leg for a major throw from hell...over and over and over. When the A-dump happens...pow, pow, pow...those things can come out like second nature. Now, "Joe Aikido" who's been training for the wrist chasing muggers of the world, or who thinks he can snatch punches out of the air and effortlessly spin people headfirst into the Jukebox like Steven Seagal...he's gonna have a problem. In case my hidden meaning is too subtle, I'll lay it out. It's a REALLY good thing to have OFFENSE. The best defense is avoiding conflict. The second best defense is running away while screaming "rape", "fire", and "help" all the way. The third best defense is hurting, damaging, or otherwise imposing one's will on an attacker. Methods that speak to "using an attacker's force" to the exclusion of decisive percussion tactics, or grappling with some authority behind it tend to suggest techniques that are more "passive" in nature. All, IMHO. Oy, and this was going to be a short post. 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