Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 03:02:40 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #102 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. 20th International in Jackson (Jeffery Dean Sr.) 2. Danjeon breathing, Courage, and Cross Grips (Burdick, Dakin R) 3. Getting a 6th dan for 15 buck's (plus extra) (C. Bonner) 4. Which Kimen 4 Wot? (Oludipe O. Tolulope) 5. 6th Dan for $15.00? (Manuel Maldonado) 6. Getting on the airplane! (Jason Thomas) 7. same-side grab (Ray Terry) 8. (no subject) (Keith Shaw) 9. RE: 6th Dan for $15.00? (Rick Clark) 10. RE: 6th Dan for $15.00? (Jason Thomas) 11. Re: Which Kimen 4 Wot? (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Jeffery Dean Sr." To: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 06:51:16 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] 20th International in Jackson Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am looking forward to big fun this weekend in Jackson - GM West and his people seem to have a knack for drawing the cream of the crop to this event. If anybody needs a place to bunk look me up this weekend - i have booked a double room and so far it is just me. Tang Soo Dean Sr. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.600 / Virus Database: 381 - Release Date: 2/28/2004 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:08:39 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Danjeon breathing, Courage, and Cross Grips Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Klaas asked: >In your school, don't you practice danjun breathing? My answer: We used to, but since decided that since tension breathing was dangerous for those with heart conditions, we would stop doing it. Bruce wrote: >For me, an act of Courage is more of a choice made at a particular moment and under particular conditions. Whatismore, the assigning of the label "courageous" is often by people who observe the event from the outside, while the person actually acting rarely sees what they do as "courageous". Often when questioned about an act of courage, many people report simply doing what needed to be done for the good of all. I would not discount the role of courage in tolerance, or endurance or in perseverance. I just think that steadfastness, committment, priorities, "mental toughness" figure in more prominently over the long- haul than any single individual choice at a particular moment. My comment: This is an interesting conversation -- sorry I came in at the middle! I just wanted to say that for me courage seems not only about stubborness (my name for toughness) but also preparation for particular events. That's why we do martial arts, right? So we won't be taken too offguard when someone attacks us and so we can response in a rational manner? Maybe we make certain decisions about how we will act or what "proper behavior" is in particular situations before we get there? I'd love to see what cognitive science says about that. Ray wrote: >We start with same side grab. Seems to be a more typical situation that one would encounter. My reply: Like those other 99% of hapkido schools, we start with a cross-grip wrist attack. The reason is that we figure the typical attack is a right-handed punch, and the cross-grip leads into dealing with that. Have a great day! Dakin --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "C. Bonner" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:28:34 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Getting a 6th dan for 15 buck's (plus extra) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Actually that is a certificate of appointment. And the guy selling them is a 6th dan.He doe's sell 1st dan cert's tho! And state's that they are not kukkiwon or organizatioal cert's.They are still worthless crap!!! Aparently he doe's good business. What a world !!! C. _________________________________________________________________ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar – includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:40:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Oludipe O. Tolulope" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Which Kimen 4 Wot? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello class. A student of mine asked me sometime ago why ".. martial artists go 'kia', 'hia', 'ha' or simply grunt when performing kicks, punches, chops, throws etc". Easy question no? Well, after responding, he asked ".. which shout/grunt is best for kicks, punches, throws etc"? While I had answers for him, I'm curious to know what y'all think; which kimen is which for what? Yeedan Tolu, Nigeria. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Manuel Maldonado" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:43:01 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] 6th Dan for $15.00? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For those of you that can read korean this ia an appointment Certificate not a Dan/Degree Certificate. In other works "honorary" Black Belt Cert. I'd be ashamed to have one of those certs. If it dosnt come from a valid sorce then forget it. Ive said this in the past and I'll say it again if your"Master" isnt KKW Certified or ITF certified the his/her certificate isnt worth the paper its wrote on. Im only speaking Taekwon-do wise. Hapkido and all the other arts have their NGB etc. I can only speak for TKD since Im not familiar with all the other well respected arts. My 2 cents worth my 10 cents is free. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Jason Thomas" To: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 07:52:04 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Getting on the airplane! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm at the airport waiting for the plane to come down to Jackson! "The Austin Group" (I have green belts now!) are really looking forward to a fun filled time full of training and friendship. Regards, Jason --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 06:55:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] same-side grab Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Ray wrote: > > >We start with same side grab. Seems to be a more typical situation > >that one would encounter. > > My reply: > > Like those other 99% of hapkido schools, we start with a cross-grip > wrist attack. The reason is that we figure > the typical attack is a right-handed punch, and the cross-grip leads > into dealing with that. You're countering a right cross with your right hand??? Across your body? Why not a lead left parry of the incoming right? I'm wondering if there is a diff in terms here. Same-side grab is your left hand grabbing my right hand. Yes? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com P.S. Hello from Jackson. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Keith Shaw" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 14:42:04 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Danny, great story.   Keith Shaw Cho Dan Bo National Karate Institute - Kun Gek Do -- Powered by Outblaze --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Rick Clark" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] 6th Dan for $15.00? Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:42:52 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Manuel, Long time to see you post - from another list :-) Anyway - >From: Manuel Maldonado [mailto:sudomakki2003@hotmail.com] > Ive said this in the past and I'll say it again if >your"Master" isnt KKW Certified or ITF certified the his/her certificate >isnt worth the paper its wrote on. Im only speaking Taekwon-do wise. Just to throw out another point of view, what about someone who has received promotions under Son Duk Son who was the 2nd headmaster of Chung Do Kwan and has had an organization here in the US since the 60's. When I was in Korea they accepted his certificate and wanted to promote me to my next dan the first day I was at the Dochang. Or there is the ATA founded by Hang Un Lee, who was associated with Son Duk Son in the 60's. I am sure there are others out there who have rank from others who are not a part of the ITF or WTF or KKW for one reason or another. Later, Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Jason Thomas" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] 6th Dan for $15.00? Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:20:47 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You only honor KKW and ITF Certified TKD stylists? This really surprises me, give your previous stance with the ITF and getting your cert etc... What about your own organization? What is it's certifications worth? I've always just valued a person's willingness to get on the mat, train and have fun. -----Original Message----- From: Manuel Maldonado [mailto:sudomakki2003@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:43 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] 6th Dan for $15.00? For those of you that can read korean this ia an appointment Certificate not a Dan/Degree Certificate. In other works "honorary" Black Belt Cert. I'd be ashamed to have one of those certs. If it dosnt come from a valid sorce then forget it. Ive said this in the past and I'll say it again if your"Master" isnt KKW Certified or ITF certified the his/her certificate isnt worth the paper its wrote on. Im only speaking Taekwon-do wise. Hapkido and all the other arts have their NGB etc. I can only speak for TKD since Im not familiar with all the other well respected arts. My 2 cents worth my 10 cents is free. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 14:25:00 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Which Kimen 4 Wot? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In my opinion, in the beginning, a student should do a basic kiyap (basically following the sound the class is making or what the instructor says to do). Then as time goes on, they need to do what their body dictates. For instance, I don't make the normal kiyap...Instead depending on the actual technique(s) I make a unique sound for each...so when I strike (hands) I tend to hiss, or make the "tsss" sound. Then sometimes when I'm throwing a very powerful technique I exclaim "HA!". no one taught me/told me what sound to make, it's just an expression of one's power; one's self. Jye "Oludipe O. Tolulope" wrote: Hello class. A student of mine asked me sometime ago why ".. martial artists go 'kia', 'hia', 'ha' or simply grunt when performing kicks, punches, chops, throws etc". Easy question no? Well, after responding, he asked ".. which shout/grunt is best for kicks, punches, throws etc"? While I had answers for him, I'm curious to know what y'all think; which kimen is which for what? Yeedan Tolu, Nigeria. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest