Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:25:10 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #103 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Certificates (Piotr Bernat) 2. RE: 6th Dan for $15.00? (brent b) 3. kimen for wot (Richard Tomlinson) 4. Tanjun Breathing for Dakin (FirstPe315@aol.com) 5. Back from 20th International Hapkido Seminar (Thomas Gordon) 6. Re:same side and kihaps (Klaas Barends) 7. Jye nigma on kihap.. (George Peters) 8. Master Ray Terry, Master Timmerman, et al..... (George Peters) 9. Back From Jackson (Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy) 10. Same-side and cross-grip (Burdick, Dakin R) 11. Student moving to Flordia (MIND and BODY FITNESS LLC) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Piotr Bernat" To: Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:01:17 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Certificates Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From: Manuel Maldonado [mailto:sudomakki2003@hotmail.com] > Ive said this in the past and I'll say it again if >your"Master" isnt KKW Certified or ITF certified the his/her certificate >isnt worth the paper its wrote on. Im only speaking Taekwon-do wise. Interesting. My students decided not to continue with KKW gradings since the level of such gradings in my country is a joke, and Dans are given for money without any tests. They decided to grade through an independent group, since they know and respect the examiner, who is also a 6th Dan with a "worthless" certificate. Piotr Bernat www.taekwondo.prv.pl --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 07:06:49 -0800 (PST) From: brent b Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] 6th Dan for $15.00? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Manuel, This is a pretty interesting view point - one I'm in complete disagreement with though. It's the same closed minded view point that I've experienced from a number of folks. I could get my KW certificate for about $700 dollars. It would take $350 to get my cert from the AAU, of which I'm a member as that's where I get my insurance. Then the AAU has a program with the KW that for another $350 I could get the KW cert. I use to do sports karate with my students. I use to teach TKD from the sport aspect. My instructor was taught TKD in the manner so he could teach his coaches son's TKD. My coaches coach came out of Korea as a two time national champion. I do not award (nor do I have) KW certs to my students. I do award them black belts when they are ready. My coaches coach accepts my students as peers to his students - they are not required to retake their dan tests. A certificate does not make you a martial artist. The new local TKD instructor will not make the time of day for me as I do not have KW certification. Presently my school still does one or two tournements a year. This last fall I ran into this KW certified instructor at the tourney. After my students took the the top award for katas, continuous free sparring (we do not do stop point tag fighting) and breaking, he still has the same attitude. Oh well. Brent Balfanz Yudansha ADJ Minnesota, USA >From: Manuel Maldonado [mailto:sudomakki2003@hotmail.com] > Ive said this in the past and I'll say it again if >your"Master" isnt KKW Certified or ITF certified the his/her certificate >isnt worth the paper its wrote on. Im only speaking Taekwon-do wise. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 11:57:49 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] kimen for wot Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We call it a keyop. It is a tool used for releasing energy at impact and breathing. With this in mind your keyop or yell will vary accordingly. Being that we are all different individuals our sounds will differ so it becomes a personal expression. For releasing energy as in a breaking technique, it would be extremely powerful adding ALOT of added power to the technique. As for breathing for example, if one is sparring, releasing keyops when kicking or blocking, note that once air is released you must breathe in again ... this allows for constant air flow through the body. In self defence, as in a real threatning situation one's keyop can be your first line of self defence startling your attacker and perhaps long enough to give you a second to use a technique or just get away. Just my wot for input! sandy --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 17:16:19 -0500 From: FirstPe315@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Tanjun Breathing for Dakin Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dakin: Interesting about your style of TanJun Breathing. You very well know that there are many ways to practice TanJun Breathing. When we do TanJun Breathing the whole body is not tensed. In fact, in our philosophy, this works against the concept that we are trying to cultivate. Our hands/fingers are always tense and projecting energy and our TanJun point is always strong (i.e. our whole abdominal area) but the rest of our body is very relaxed. I'm not going to go into a dissertation about this but basically there are many ways to practice TanJun Breathing that teach your body and mind certain things without doing it as a tension exercise. Respectfully, Jeff --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:06:03 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Back from 20th International Hapkido Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello fellow KMA practitioners, We (being my bride, my partner, and myself) have gotten back home from Master West's Hapkido Workout and we had a blast. We met some really great people and look forward to seeing several of you at Grandmaster Bong Soo Han seminar being hosting at Master Hendrix's in NC in two weeks. http://www.hendrix-martialarts.com/hapkidoclinic.html Between the three of us, at least one us took classes from Master Timmerman, Master Hodder, Master McHenry, Master Kirsch, Master Borucki (congrats on the promotion!), Master Gordon, Master Booth, Master Mangum, & Master Terry. All were great and everyone was very approachable and humble. Master West did one seminar and there looked to be over a hundred people wanting to do clothing grabs so we opted for something else. I know he does a first class seminar from the one he did at Mr. Calvin Longton's school a month ago. All in all, looked like about 275-300 people were there. It was so busy that I took a camera and managed to get 9 pictures in three days. No time to visit, workout, and snap pictures so I did the first two. The hosts from West Academy were very kind and seemed like old friends even though this is only the second time I've seen most of them. This was a trip that I was glad I made and money well spent. All in all, counting hotel, gas, food, and registration, we spent about $600. $67 per person per day is cheap! Many seminars are $199 for one seminar and one instructor. This was $65 for access to 30 seminars and 15+ master level instructors. Enough of my praises. If you haven't been to Master West's clinic - go. Best regards, Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:08:59 +0800 From: Klaas Barends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:same side and kihaps Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > You're countering a right cross with your right hand??? Across your body? > Why not a lead left parry of the incoming right? Forget the turn you make when you are being grabbed. A. attacks with a right punch. B. steps in to the left, and blocks outward with right. B. applies an elbow jointlock on A. with his left underarm. An elbow jointlock is a relativly easy lock to learn to beginners. So, as a basic technique. A. attacks B. by grabbing B's right wrist with his right hand. B. steps in to the left and turns his arm clockwise B. applies an elbow jointlock on A. with his left underarm. > I'm wondering if there is a diff in terms here. Same-side grab is your left > hand grabbing my right hand. Yes? Cross-grab is (as the word says): right hand grabs right wrist (of left). Same-side is left grabs right of right grabs left. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > In my opinion, in the beginning, a student should do a basic kiyap > (basically following the sound the class is making or what the > instructor says to do). Then as time goes on, they need to do what > their body dictates. For instance, I don't make the normal > kiyap...Instead depending on the actual technique(s) I make a unique > sound for each...so when I strike (hands) I tend to hiss, or make the > "tsss" sound. Then sometimes when I'm throwing a very powerful > technique I exclaim "HA!". no one taught me/told me what sound to make, > it's just an expression of one's power; one's self. A kihap (as I was thaught) comes from your danjun. To inhale the breath to your danjun. At the moment of impact you kinda let you danjun 'implode', and the air rushes out. This gives a deep noise where you don't use your vocal folds! -- mvg. Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 00:12:41 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Jye nigma on kihap.. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, I liked your answer in your post regarding breathing, and wish to perhaps add a little something to the mix. In TSD where I train, we use a loud kihap in class and try to encourage students to remember to use this(kihap) when sparring, doing Ho Sin Sul, Il Soo Sik, etc. When I saw you say you use varying levels of kihap according to each level of application,I was reminded of what an old friend who practices Kung Fu told me long ago regarding this. After the first time we sparred, he told me to be very careful how much air one expells upon the execution of technique, and to try to learn a sharp inhale after kihap to replenish the lost volume in the lungs. He also encouraged a "quiet" kihap to promote this. He did acknowledge however, that the loud kihap is an excellent thoracic exercise when one does basics. Anyway, this has worked well for me and has withstood the test of time, and so may have some worth to others. I also was reminded of the Kyo Sa Nim test I took and one of the test questions was" What is kihap, and what are the positive uses of such to the best of your knowledge?" To this day I still ponder these things from time to time and am impressed by thieir unceasing relevance. Respectfully, George Peters _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 00:23:05 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Ray Terry, Master Timmerman, et al..... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sirs: Is it true that Floridians have a style of martial art known as "Manatee Toss"? Is it also true that this is to be combined with TGT and Hi Mon to create a non-creature specifc eclectic art, having roots found only in the mists of time primordial? I WAS going to doubt this rumor, but reminded myself of the differences in northern and southern Chinese arts apparantly due to terrain, and well, I guess it doesn't take an Einstein to see all the water around and in the state of Florida which may have been the impetus for the advent of such an art. Respectfully, George Peters _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks & Scams. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/techsafety.armx --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 00:26:48 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Back From Jackson Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From another satisfied customer of the big ho-down in Jackson, thanks to everyone who I had the great pleasure of working with. It was GREAT seeing some old friends and meeting new ones. I'm looking forward to the next one already. For those of you that missed it, you missed some great KMA training in a great atmosphere. Thank you Master West and all of the USKMAF instructors who made it all possible. James Morgan GTKDA --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:16:38 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Same-side and cross-grip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray wrote: >I'm wondering if there is a diff in terms here. Same-side grab is your left hand grabbing my right hand. Yes? Yes indeed. >You're countering a right cross with your right hand??? Across your body? Why not a lead left parry of the incoming right? Ah. No. If it is a right cross, I'd block outwards with the left arm and punch in him the face or groin with the right. I always assume a jab as a primary attack. From a jab I'd probably pat it inwards with my left, try to jam it with my right (moving forward and outward with the body), and then either transition to a lock, or hit him with the left, or just get behind him for a choke. Does that make sense? Because I'm a big guy, I might also pat inwards with the left, circling down and outwards, and hit him in the head with a right elbow -- enter to hammerlock or chickenwing. But I doubt if my smaller students would have a lot of luck pulling that one on me. They would probably end up in an iriminage, osotogari, or just a hadakajime. Have fun in Jackson! Dakin --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:09:23 -0800 (PST) From: MIND and BODY FITNESS LLC To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Student moving to Flordia Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am a TKD instructor in Shawnee, Oklahoma. I have a student who has been tranining with me for around 1 year now. He will be leaving in May to relocate to Fort Myers Flordia. Can anyone reccomend a Traditional Dojang in that area? My TKD comes from Grandmaster Woo Jin Jung of Ceader Rapids Iowa. We are a traditional dojang with an honorable ethic system. We practice the chonji and palgwe patterns. Any help in relocating my student would be greatly appreciated. Mike Cejka Mind & Body Fitness, LLC 1500 N. Kickapoo, #13 Shawnee, OK 74801 (405) 570-8026 mindandbodyfitness@sbcgloba.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest