Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 03:04:16 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #114 - 16 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Dakin's Article (Stovall, Craig) 2. RE: Round House - Ball of Foot (Rick Clark) 3. name game (Lawren Hasten) 4. New Baby (Braeswood Martial Arts) 5. Master as name (Ray Terry) 6. Re: name game (Dante James) 7. FYI re: H.U. Lee (Dante James) 8. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Hwang_Kwang_Sung's_Letter?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 9. Not TKD but not Tai Chi either (ISA Headquarters) 10. Round House - Ball of Foot (Bernard Maginnity) 11. Chuck Sereff (C. Bonner) 12. Re: Chuck Sereff (Ray Terry) 13. RE: name game (Thomas Gordon) 14. Re: name game (Ray Terry) 15. Ray Terry: a little history........ (George Peters) 16. RE: name game (Thomas Gordon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:42:49 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dakin's Article Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just curious if anyone else saw Dakin's article in the latest issue of the Journal of Asian Martial Arts. I saw it on the newsstand this past Saturday. If you get a chance, check it out. Nice article. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Rick Clark" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Round House - Ball of Foot Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:06:36 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Mac, >I agree with Master Clark Please it's Rick, I feel really silly with "Master" by my name - I am far from that. Anyway the internet is a great equalizer :-) >Using the instep gives more reach for point fighting. When I did learn to use my >instep, I was able to kick much harder and faster, as I didn't have to worry about >getting my toes broken :-) I'd rather use the instep for power kicking. When >breaking, I use the ball of my foot, not the instep. I guess this brings up an interesting point - I am a strong proponent of the notion that you revert to previously learned behavior in moments of stress. I think most of us would agree people practice martial arts for a number of reasons: 1) Sport 2) Improved physical health 3) Self-defense 4) Some other reason 5) A combination of the above So - if a person does practice Tae Kwon Do for Self-defense, it would seem to me that you would want to train as you would want to respond in a moment of stress - being assaulted. That being said it would seem to me that there would be a reason not to practice kicking with instep of the foot - at least for those who do not want to participate in point sparing for competition. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:46:43 -0800 (PST) From: Lawren Hasten To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] name game Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net #2-James Morgan #6-Kat Kelly #23-Lawren Hasten #24-Lloyd Martin --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:09:43 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] New Baby Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Congratulation to Alain and his beautiful bride on a gorgeous baby girl. I am very happy for both of you and look forward to more pictures. Kat --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:25:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Master as name Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >I agree with Master Clark > > Please it's Rick, I feel really silly with "Master" by my name - I am > far from that. Anyway the internet is a great equalizer :-) Don't ya just love it when someone tells you, "My name is Master Jack Frost". I always think to myself, my my, now that is a funny first name. :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Dante James" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] name game Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:27:22 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net #20 Dante James Dante J. James, Esq. www.denverata.com Change is Inevitable, Growth is Optional ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawren Hasten" To: Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 1:46 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] name game > #2-James Morgan > #6-Kat Kelly > #23-Lawren Hasten > #24-Lloyd Martin > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Dante James" To: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:00:35 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] FYI re: H.U. Lee Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Clark, Good and accurate history, thanx. FYI, my research also turned up an old ITF magazine/journal from the early 70's (it was in the library and could not be checked out) stating that 7th Degree H.U. Lee was on the Board of Directors of the Org as the Treasurer. Peace Dante Dante J. James, Esq. www.denverata.com Change is Inevitable, Growth is Optional ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Clark" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 8:03 AM Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: 6th dan for $15.00 (rank not valid unless KKW or ITF?) > > From: Lasich, Mark D. [mailto:Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com] > > > > Wow! As a long time ATA member, and with my roots in TSD MDK, I never > even > > considered that there would be those that would discount what I do as > not > > being TKD! If not TKD, what would it be? > > There are those who will discount anything that is not WTF or ITF. > > > > FWIW: GM HU Lee trained with General Choi, and learned his forms. If I > > remember correctly, the ATA was founded on use of those forms, > > I knew Hang Un Lee back when there was not an ATA. He had an > organization I Omaha that was called the Midwest Tae Kwon Do Association > (MTA) and the patch he used was the same design MTA instead of ATA. > > Anyway at that time (60's) he was affiliated with Son Duk Son's World > Tae Kwon Do Association and attended all of the tournaments and would > bring his students. > > To the best of my knowledge Lee was a member of Chung Do, and so would > have been under Son Duk Son before he moved to the US. He was a member > of the military and stories are told about him going into N. Korean > territory with only a knife and his TKD, and he did not pull his knife. > I have been told that ALL who were involved in TKD in the Army were told > they were no longer members of Chung Do Kwan, Tang Soo Do, Song Mu Kwan, > or whatever Kwan they were in and we NOW members of O Do Kwan - which > was Gen. Choi's military TKD. > > As I remember he was teaching at the Air Force Base where Richard Reed > was a student and eventually brought Hang Un Lee to the US and opened > the schools in Omaha. From there they went on to found MTA and later > ATA. > > At that time Lee taught the Pyung-Ahn set of forms. > > > Suffice it to say that I have never even considered what I practice as > not > > being TKD. We have all the same blocks, strikes, kicks, etc. that ITF, > > WTF, TSD, etc > > Which are the same as Shotokan Karate as that is where Won Kuk Lee got > what he learned and then passed on to his students. > > > > >TKD to be rich in history and > > symbolism, yet flexible enough to incorporate those other endeavors > that > > can "round out" the martial artist (pressure points, weapons, ground > > fighting, etc.) > > > > Mark > > Rick Clark > www.Ao-Denko-Kai.org > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:00:25 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Hwang_Kwang_Sung's_Letter?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "....... Before I wrote my letter asking for Mr. Chang Ungs resignation, I consulted with Mrs. Choi, Grand Master Rhee, and many ITF senior members and countries. We must begin again merger meetings with WTFs new leadership. We must rebuild our organizations credibility in the martial arts world. We must protect our image with the IOC. We have to save our organization. Mr. Chang Ung must leave the ITF, this is the only way for ITF to be free from political influence......." Well. Apparently the author is quite an authority on what "must" be done. Unless I misread the post TKD would be best served if Chang Ung politics were put out and Hwang Kwang Sung politics were instated. Does the Choi family KNOW that Hwang Kwang Sung has been channeling the spirit of Gen Choi. I assume this as apparently this particular GM KNOWS what the General did and did not intend. Lucky him. Sounds to me like the same old Korean folk song, "King of the Moutain". I imagine that merger talks will begin again just as soon as all the people of standing are guarenteed they won't lose their cushy berthes. Oh, and the membership? Well, "F*** 'em", as usual. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "ISA Headquarters" To: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 18:11:34 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Not TKD but not Tai Chi either Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.taichiscotland.com Once there, click on the "what we teach" in the nav bar. They will probably get rich with this. George --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:47:20 +1100 From: "Bernard Maginnity" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Round House - Ball of Foot Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr Clark, Pillow and Mac Thank you for your comments on round house kick. I had not previously considered the influence of competition on the development of this kick. When studying Taekwon Do we only used the ball of foot version. I actually had discussions with my Hapkido Master a month or two ago and he explained the reasons why we use ball of foot, instep kick in our style, other applications and further variations of the kick also. Thank you for sharing. Kind regards Bernie Maginnity -----Original Message----- From: Rick Clark [mailto:rick.aodenkou@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, 11 March 2004 11:55 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Round House - Ball of Foot Hi Bernie, Just a few thoughts on the instep roundhouse kick. When I started TKD - you did not see an instep round house kick in the dochang at all (at least those I was around) and you did not see Karate types doing either. You did begin to see it in tournaments when the bend in the ankle could give you a couple of extra inches reach - esp. if you had on foot pads. The advantage of a couple more inches in a point tournament is obvious. All of the instructors I had early on were very specific about the point of contact with the foot when doing a roundhouse kick - the ball of the foot - not the instep. In my opinion the use of the instep came as a result of use in tournaments. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org NOTICE The information contained in this electronic mail message is privileged and confidential, and is intended only for use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or disclosing it. Mission Australia has implemented anti-virus software, and whilst all care is taken, it is the recipient's responsibility to ensure that any attachments are scanned for viruses prior to use. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "C. Bonner" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 18:00:29 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Chuck Sereff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr.Sereff also holds a black belt in Hapkido. And has put it in the U.S.T.F. curriculum.They do more hapkido than most I.T.F.(Chang Hun) school's. There is some Hapkido in the I.T.F. curriculum tho. C. _________________________________________________________________ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar – includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Chuck Sereff To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:05:47 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Mr.Sereff also holds a black belt in Hapkido. A 1st Dan, or higher? Do you know where, from whom, and when he obtained his HKD training? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] name game Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:15:17 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The link didn't come through for some reason. Please repost. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] name game To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:22:04 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > The link didn't come through for some reason. Please repost. > > Thomas Gordon > Florida http://homepage.mac.com/ep3/ddwhoswho.jpg Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:33:03 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ray Terry: a little history........ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir: Ever wonder why everyone does not come back to MDK TSD and just stop worrying who's legit and who isn"t? Respectfully, George Peters _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee when you click here. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 16 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] name game Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:40:19 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you for the repost. #7 - Thomas Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 9:22 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] name game > The link didn't come through for some reason. Please repost. > > Thomas Gordon > Florida http://homepage.mac.com/ep3/ddwhoswho.jpg Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest