Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:57:09 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #122 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Rank (Rudy Timmerman) 2. Re: Supreme Master? (Christopher Spiller) 3. RE: I need a good Flordia Dojo? (Thomas Gordon) 4. RE: Supreme Master? and Legitimacy (Thomas Gordon) 5. Re: Supreme Master? and Legitimacy (Jye nigma) 6. Re: KMA in Korea (Klaas Barends) 7. A very interesting site!!! (Jye nigma) 8. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Masters_and_Legitimacy?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 9. AAU Taekwondo Newsletter March 2004 (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:46:46 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net John writes: > GM Yong-Sool Choi background is also somewhat a mystery because he > "lost" his > certificates of rank and there are no records in Japan that support > his claim > that he studied Daito_Ryu Aiki-Jutsu Hello John: As I have said a number of times before, to be called Grandmaster is not a good thing IMHO. For one thing, it probably means your teacher passed away, and for another thing it most likely means you are getting older than you probably would like to admit to. Both instances not so good (unless you are a paper GM, in which case you are probably 30ish and never had a GM to begin with:) The older I get, the better I like to hear people call me by my name. To me that means I am still looking at the green side of grass, and that is a good thing:) As you alluded to later in your post, there is a lot to be said for "backing up" your paper on the mat, just in case it gets lost:) I fully agree that we should study more and worry about rank less. BTW, I look forward to seeing some of my fellow DD friends in Austin on the mat in a few weeks. Yee ha, Texas hospitality, I love it! Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:26:53 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Supreme Master? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>It's funny how some talk down on Bruce Lee for not completing wing chun, yet say nothing of General Choi for not completing Karate.<< Really? The number of times I've heard people criticize Bruce Lee for not learning the entire Wing Chun syllabus has been exceedingly RARE. If anything, whenever Bruce Lee's name comes up in MA conversation there's more the awe of hero-worship or that we're talking about God, to be quite honest with you. I've heard people say that some practitioners can basically engage in hero-worship of General Choi. I'll grant you that. But it's nothing like what I have heard from Bruce Lee devotees, or even fans of the Gracies. >>whoops hit enter before finishing my thought.... but yeah. What makes the general so different from someone in present day? What I mean is if someone was a 2nd dan and decided to start there own school, alot of people would have something to say about it.<< Really? In the US? I can think of several schools I know of off hand that were started by people who were *1st* dans. Or do you mean "style"? If you mean style, well as someone pointed out already back in the day there were only 5 dans in karate not 10. It might be closer to say someone who had a 4th dan started his own style. Frankly, from the little I saw of the man General Choi was extremely proficient in what he was doing when he began formulating Taekwon-Do, which was developing a Martial Art designed to generate A LOT of power. I've seen some high ranking ITF instructors demonstrate that General Choi did a rather good job atr accomplishing this goal, too :). Please note, I am NOT saying no other MA delivers in this area. Not at all. But it seems to me that the General was focusing quite a bit on how to develop the ability to get raw power, force, what have you out of the human body. Given that he was a fairly small man who had taken up a military profesion this may be a rather understandable goal :) Besides this, General Choi also had input from a lot of instructors in the ROK military in the early days. One advantage was he had the best Martial Artists in the army to work with when coming up with techniques and how to execute them. Then there was the interview with Chung Kee Tae in "Taekwon-Do Times" a few years ago when he stated that General Choi used him to introduce Hapkido techniques into the ITF's ho sin sool syllabus (along side the ones that are obviously influenced from his days in Shotokan). What I'm getting at here is that General Choi was very good at bringing together techniques from disparate sources and combining them in his vision for a martial art that maximizes the body's potential for generating power. And he got some REALLY good people to help him out while doing it :) >>So I just wonder why no one has anything to say about the General doing this? Jye<< Oh come now. The General's rank in karate (just like the question of Choi Yong Sul's rank in Daito Ryu) has long been a topic of debate. And it's usually been paired with the question about whether or not he was actually qualified to found a martial art. I'm sure you're aware of the story that GM Son Duk Sung stripped General Choi of rank and kicked him out of his position as the Chung Do Kwan's Kwan Jang Nim. Of course, nobody ever comments on the fact that Um Woon Kyu was also "kicked out" of the Chung Do Kwan but is now the HEAD of that particular school :) The funny thing is, I don't hear a lot of people using THAT incident to question GM Um's ability or rank or anything (and well they shouldn't). Taekwon, Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] I need a good Flordia Dojo? Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 20:53:52 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Cejka, I am in the panhandle (northwest Florida) about one hour north of Destin and one hour east of Pensacola. I don't know of anyone in the Fort Myers area. You may check Master West's site to see if he has anyone close. http://www.hapkido.com/federation_schools.htm#Florida Best of luck, Thomas Gordon Florida -----Original Message----- From: MIND and BODY FITNESS LLC [mailto:mindandbodyfitness@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 5:48 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] I need a good Flordia Dojo? Mr. Thomas Gordon I am looking for a honorable school in the Fort Myers, Flordia or surrounding area. I have a student moving there from Oklahoma and would like him to have a good school to train at. We practice forms from each style (ITF, WTF) to honor each association. Could you or anyone on the digest reccomend a good school Any help would be greatly appreciated. Mike Cejka _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Supreme Master? and Legitimacy Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:06:17 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Fitzgerald, I do believe that early pioneers, regardless of nationality, promoted themselves very, very fast. As I wrote in a later email, Korea had been occupied for many years and most of their martial arts and even written language was banned by the Japanese. So in the example of KMA, there was a void and it was filled - quickly. The fella with the biggest mouth and best resources won. Isn't that how life usually is? :) On a similar subject, looking at the Revolutionary War here in the States and even the Civil War (especially on the CSA side), people flew through the ranks. Bottom line, General XX gets shot and you're the next in line to take over the command - if you're successful in doing so, you're promoted to General. There were several 30ish year old General's running around. George Gordon (yeah, I'm biased) was in the military 4 years when he was "appointed" General a few months shy of his 28th birthday. Someone has to be the leader and people who are considered hero's of those wars may have gone unnoticed had a more formal military been in place. There is a ton of hypocrisy's in the martial arts and it's not just the KMA. For example, Ed Parker reportedly had about six years of training when he decided to start his own system. Of course there were also allegedly racial tensions that did not allow him to test for his black belt and likely caused his decision. Same is true with Judo. After a whooping four years of training in Ju-Jitsu, Kano was considered a master. There's no clear date but he apparently created Judo around the ripe old age of 22-24 with roughly only five-seven years of martial art training. Kano reportedly had one of his students at 4th degree black belt with only seven years of training and still in their early twenties. Hanshi Bruce Juchnik (an American) is now the "inheritor of Kosho Ryu Kempo" and 10th degree black belt. Before earning this title, he was supposedly only a third degree in Tracy Kenpo. He is very knowledgeable and easy to talk with. but that doesn't change history. (this ranking took place in early 80's) Joe Lewis got his black belt in seven months while stationed in Okinawa. So much for the "in the old days, we trained for 25 years before being allowed to wear a white belt." (My stab at humor) I don't knock the man's ability. Heck, he took the US National Championship with less than 2 years of training. In regards to "not teaching children," check out James Mitose who started training at four years old. So yeah, there are some discrepancies and duplicitous standards. Pioneers will always catch some heat. But people like Kano, Choi (both of them), and others came up with a real stand alone system and not some hodgepodge of techniques and an egoistical claim of being some demigod. Jump ranks, fast promotion, or whatever the case may be, there were true pioneers. At least from what I've read. Best regards, Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 04:13:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Supreme Master? and Legitimacy To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Amen to that! That was my point when questioning general Choi's background. See that is why I appreciated Bruce Lee and what he did. He didn't come out and say this is an ancient chinese system. After learning about many different KMAs, I began to think that perhaps all was lost during the japanese occupation...absolutely nothing korean (martial art) survived. Also, perhaps it's a cultural thing for many asians that something ancient has more significance then something modern when it comes to the martial arts. Take hwarang-do for instance. Seems like a good system but instead of the bogus story of the SGM lee learning this enitre system from a monk (the ONLY monk to know the entire ancient system), he should have just stated the truth, this is a synthesis of other arts in Korea. One has to respect the fact that they created something and systematically organized it so they could teach it and keep track of their students. Perhaps the Korean's feel that they have lost so much of their identity, that they felt a need to create something and claim it has ancient lineage for the good of their country. As an african american I can really sympathize with the Koreans losing their identities through being oppressed and the following generations feeling the pain behind that. But I really feel that they should be honest about what they have created. Another good point is that many of these guys only made it to 1st and 2nd dan, and in present day when someone reaches 1st or 2nd dan, and break away to start their own school they catch hell because the common statement is you have only BEGUN to learn about the system now. So one has to think, am I truly learning the real deal about martial arts philosophy meaning of technique, etc? Because if they learned up to 2nd dan then created their own system then somehow they learned all there is to learn about the system, so in theory, one could do that now. Almost makes you wonder about credibility. Jye Johnjfitzg@aol.com wrote: Hello Thomas Gordon: Your message raises a very interesting point regarding legitimacy of rank in KMA. Like many people on the DD, I have read a fair amount information on the history of KMA in books, magazines, on DD and on various Internet sites. Based on my readings, General Hong Hi Choi limited experience and rank in MA is consistent with many of the early KMA founders. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:48:36 +0800 From: Klaas Barends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: KMA in Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Hi. My name is James O'Sullivan. I'm a sergeant in the US Army and I'm going > to > be stationed in Korea for a year. I am interested to know about the martial > arts > there. I have been studying Chinese Kempo for quite a while. I am not > interested in tournament or sports martial arts. I'm more in to the realistic > or self > defense benefits as well as the physical aspect. What are some of the arts > that > I may benefit from while I'm there? Hi, if you have been on the digest for a while, you have probably heard of the term McDojang before. Well, in Korea they invented the McDojang and the cities are crowded with them. I find it hard to find good MA instructors in Korea. They are as hard to find as in any other country, I guess. Most dojangs just teach kids, well teach....I'd call it 'play with kids'. So a good identifier might be to find a dojang where at night you'll see at least a few adults training. -- mvg. Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 06:00:41 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] A very interesting site!!! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey everyone. I want to share a very interesting site with you on the art of TAE GYUN GOL. This definitely shows that there is absolutely no link (ancient link) to Tae Kwon Do. Check out this site: http://www.saetur.com/ click on Taegyun at the top of the screen after you click on korean or english to enter the site. This shows the history, tactics, and skills of Taegyun. *I THINK TaeGyun is the new way to spell Taekkyon? Jye Let me know what you think. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:56:32 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Masters_and_Legitimacy?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear John: "......I do have one problem with all of this and that is double standards that seem to exist with us in the USA. IMHO, We, Americans, spend too much time on the issue of legitimacy of rank and criticism of other Americans over the issue even when the record shows the early leaders of KMA had such questionable backgrounds and limited experience for their ranks. We should spend more time on learning, practicing, improving and sharing our KMA skills and knowledge....." I agree with what you are saying, at least up to a point. In Korea, there are aspects of the culture that seem to contribute to legitimacy. I can think of a number of posts I have read that mention that, once in country, there are a great many fine schools which are virtually unknown outside of the country. Here in the States its hard to tap into such an "underground". Now it IS true that we Americans get all caught up in titles, and certs and organizations but we have so little to authenticate what is being presented for our consumption. However, look how easy it is for someone to make outrageous claims! Multiple standings-- - in multiple arts? Claims to administrative offices of prestigous organizations? Mutual admiration societies and self-congratulatory awards? And what about those "founding fathers". If you look at the roots of any of the traditions from China that came through Okinawa to produce the Japanese arts you would note that what most of those early teachers did was take what they were taught and polish it into efficient and effective systems. Building huge organizations with themselves at the top wasn't really part of the picture. So where is this going? I suggest four points. 1.) I think lineage is a good indicator (not much more) of where one received his material from and what the general take on a particular form of KMA is about. 2.) I think the duration over which a person sticks with a particular lineage is a decent indicator of how dedicated one is to the principles his teacher put forth. 3.) I think it behooves us to subscribe to Korean aspects wherever possible. Using Korean terminology if possible, teaching Korean weapons, networking with other Korean arts would see to affirm our committment to those arts. 4.) I think its important to point up inconsistencies in claims, titles and standings wherever they occur so that less-informed individuals can make better informed choices. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:32:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] AAU Taekwondo Newsletter March 2004 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Greetings! Here is your AAU Taekwondo Newsletter for March 2004. AAU Taekwondo competitions feature both Olympic and Point sparring, and traditional Taekwondo forms, including WTF, ITF, and TSD/MDK forms may be performed. For more information visit http://www.aautaekwondo.org In This Issue: *Call For Entries: 3rd Annual Chris Canning Award of Excellence *Tournament & Events Schedule *Call For Entries: 3rd Annual Chris Canning Award of Excellence It is time to consider submitting your star athlete and outstanding citizen for the 3rd Annual Chris Canning Award of Excellence. The Chris Canning Award of Excellence was established in honor and memory of Christopher James Canning, an accomplished martial artist, who represented the sport and art of Taekwondo, along with its tenets, to their fullest meaning. This award and scholarship is presented annually to one martial artist within the AAU Taekwondo program who has attained the rank of 1st dan or above, is between the ages of 15 years and 18 years inclusive, and has demonstrated all three standards of the award. The award requires outstanding accomplishment in competitive Taekwondo, high academic achievement in school, and a deep involvement in community service helping others. These were characteristics of Christopher Canning that were part of his total being. It is these achievements and personal attributes that represent the standards of the award and what it honors. The first two recipients of this prestigious award and the $1,000 scholarships were Kurt Fuhrmann (2002) and Destiny Lieder (2003). Each school, affiliated with the AAU is eligible to submit one student who meets the award standards and eligibility requirements as a candidate for consideration. An application can be submitted in a resume format as long as it includes the basic contact and general information (name, address, phone, birth date, rank, school and any contact information), martial arts achievements, community service involvement, academic standing and letters of reference stipulating to the personality traits such as humility, determination, perseverance, concern for others, etc. These submittals can be made in April and May, but no later than 6/1/03. They are to be sent to Art Canning, 239 N. Wood St, Maroa, Illinois 61756. Candidates must be eligible for the 2004 AAU nationals, planning on attending, participating in the opening ceremonies, and competing. Now is the time to start evaluating potential students for consideration and help guide them in meeting the standards of the award. The award and its standards require meeting the challenge to excel, the goal is achievable as demonstrated by Chris, Kurt and Destiny. Help one of your students to traverse the path of these two young people, carry on the legacy, and set the example to achieve excellence. *Tournament & Events Schedule March 20, 2004 Southwestern AAU Taekwondo Qualifier Meadow Brook Recreation Center 1300 Dugan St Arlington, Texas Registration Deadline March, 12 2004 For Information, Contact Garcia Sanchez 512-470-1915 agarcia@totalaccess.net March 27, 2004 Colorado State Championship / Rocky Mountain Qualifier Thompson Valley High School 1669 Eagle Driver Loveland, CO. For Information, Contact Michael Parr 970-663-4150 mlparr@wctechnologies.com March 27, 2004 Seminole Community College, Sanford, FL For information contact David Turnbull (352)-255-7707 ohjang@aol.com March 27, 2004 2004 Wisconsin AAU qualifier Mukwonago High School 605 School Road Mukwonago, WI 53149 For information contact Bob Crouch (262) 363-1510 mailto:wiaautkd@wi.rr.com March 27, 2004 Missouri Valley Association qualifier (Registration Deadline March 20, 2004) Gautreaux's Martial Arts Center 2905 West 40 Highway Blue Springs, Mo 64015 For information contact Terry Gautreaux's 816-229-6611 Info available online at www.gmactkd.com March 27, 2004 Ohio AAU TKD State Championship Thomas Worthington High School 300 W Dublin-Granville Rd. Worthington, OH 43085 For Information go to http://www.geocities.com/ohioaautkd ohioaautkd@insight.rr.com March 28, 2004 New Jersey State Championship Healthquest Fitness Center 310 Hwy. 31 North Flemington, NJ 08822 For Information, Contact Kevin Balon 732-254-1214 or e-mail at EBTC@juno.com April 3, 2004 Maryland AAU Association Championship Calvary Gospel Church Gym 11150 Berry Road Waldorf , MD 20603 For Information, Contact Scott Fiorillo 301-934-3699 scott@smtkd.com April 3, 2004 New England AAU National and Junior Olympic Qualifier Montpelier High School High school Drive Montpelier, Vermont For Information, Contact Robert K. 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Lauderdale Convention Center Registration packets available at http://www.aautaekwondo.org/ August 4-7, 2004 2004 AAU Junior Olympic Games Des Moines, IA This event limited to 6-17 year old Red/Brown and Black Belts only. Registration packets available at http://www.aautaekwondo.org/ AAU Taekwondo Coaches and Officials Clinics March 19, 2004 5:30 PM Arkansas Officials/Coaches Clinic Guildi's Taekwondo 107 East Robinson, Springdale AR 72764 Contact: Pat Weseman (636) 296-3748 pweseman@aol.com March 20, 2004 2-6pm Ohio Official/Coach Clinic Ernie Reyes Martial Arts 50 Westerview Dr. Westerview, Oh 43081 Website: www.geocities.com/ohioaautkd E-mail:ohioaautkd@insight.rr.com March 20, 2004 5-9PM Korean Academy of Taekwondo 16800 E. Mississippi Avenue Aurora, CO. For Information, Contact Ghassan Timani 303-743-7767 March 26, 2004 6-10pm Missouri Valley Association Officials/Coaches Clinic Gautreaux's Martial Arts Center 2905 West 40 Highway Blue Springs, Mo 64015 For information contact Terry Gautreaux's 816-229-6611 March 26, 2004 Florida Coaches ONLY clinic Seminole Y.M.C.A , Lake Mary, FL Contact: David Turnbull for information (353) - 255 - 7707 ohjang@aol.com March 26, 2004 5-9PM M.L. Parr's Academy of Taekwondo 5010 Granite Street Loveland, CO. 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