Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:01:51 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #133 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Systematic Cirricula (Charles Richards) 2. Segmented Cirricula (Charles Richards) 3. Interesting hapkido clips (Christopher Spiller) 4. mail resource listing/WCTF (masterc@alaska.net) 5. Re: Craig Stovall... (Jye nigma) 6. Re: RH email (Frank Clay) (Jesse Segovia) 7. Re: RH email (Ray Terry) 8. Website update (ABurrese@aol.com) 9. GM Hwang's letter (Dave Steffen) 10. (no subject) (Wilson, Byron) 11. USNTF (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:06:16 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Systematic Cirricula Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mark Posts "Systematically presenting the material, I believe, makes it significantly easier to learn, and I have come to respect the way this is laid out in the Songahm curriculum. My son is in T-Ball, and it simply drives me crazy when these over-driven parents are barking a list of 10 things for their poor little 4 year old to remember: "choke up on the bat, put your weight on the back foot, step toward the pitcher, swing level, look at the ball, don't pick you nose, check your feet position, are your hands in the right position, get the bat up" How in the world is a kid to have fun when they get yelled at for forgetting #9 on the list?????" Dear Mark, My son is 4 years old in the under 6 Soccer League. Let's see, stop the ball in front of you, pass with the side of the foot, look at the player you are passing to, etc. Untill I remembered his age I was frustrated today at his game that he was kicking the ball out of bounds instead of down field. Then I just laughed. Last week I couldn't get him to attack the ball... I teach my leadership team to make no more than three corrections per class, and look for the two or three things the class needs correction on, rather than singling out one or two folks. Conversly, brown and red belts are beginning to think I'm attatched to them via a saddle :-) What made me proudest today was after soccer practice he (Niko) went to my competition team practice at the Dojang. Walked right into a 5 year olds defensive front kick and took his "first lesson in the gut." After the tears and hugs two things really impressed me. That he wanted to continue and not sit out, and that he was calm and not angry after having his pride and ego crumbled. He continues to amaze and teach me daily.... Getting back to the point of this post. Our cirriculum is laid out in a systematic progression. Basics are introduced, applied and then varations of the theme. It seems to be working well so I would have to agree with the Songham folks on that. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:21:18 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Segmented Cirricula Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce Posts "The reason I am raising this matter is the implications this has for the testing process, and I will use myself for an example. For my students a test is composed of 100% of the current material and then diminishing levels of previous ranks not to exceed 100 techniques plus hyung.In this way, for instance a person testing for 1st Dan would have to perform 100% of the Brown Belt Curriculum, 50% of the Blue, 25% of the Yellow and 12% of the White (not to exceed one hundered techniques in total), plue all of the hyung. Now if I am understanding the discussion correctly, and using the pattern I have just shared, the 2nd Dan test would only be the 1st Dan test repeated with 10% additional information---- which I assume would be the new hyung and its applications. Yet, Dan rankings are that "corner" we turn in our KMA careers when we profess to be ready for the "real" challenges of our training and development having determined that this or that particular art is the venue we have chosen to use. Please understand that I am not addressing student retention, or student boredom or the integrity of the arts. What I am wanting to comment on is the challenge of presenting reasonable and interesting challenges to a KMA practitioner so as to continue to invite growth and development. " Bruce, As to my testing, I tell my Gups all exams are cummulative. In reality, I look at all basics (Hand and Kicking) and all Hyungs current through white belt. I also look at all falling/rolling skill from white to current belt. Green and above must spar and break (kyuck pa). I like the no more than 100 techniques concept, but I've never counted. It only take me 45min to 1 hour for the juniors and 2 to 2.5 hours for a 2nd gup (red) test. Of course there are things I don't need to see on the exam that I see in class, and I use a three step "progress check" so the exam is more of a right of passage ceremony than a chance to fail. As I'm independent and don't need to "send anyhting off," I award the belt and certificate that night. As to cirricula, I think I have a system that is pretty well segmented from white to 3rd black. As I implement it, I really think it will take until 2nd or 3rd dan to get the basic skills, fluidity and muscle memory that I want, so to answer your post (I think). I have intentionally disected my cirricula into segments over a 10 year period (white to 3rd Dan). When I have students that have been with me 10 years , I'll let you know if they think what I have offers thenm continued growth... Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:23:58 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Interesting hapkido clips Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The following website has some video clips on it of GM Mike Wollmershauser in Korea studying hapkido. There's a clip of him taking a lesson with GM Choi, Yong Sool which is about 2:30 minutes. Pretty interesting, IMO. There's also a couple of links to other video clips by GM Lim Hyun Soo (I think) demonstrating some hapkido techniques as well. http://jungkikwan.com/jungki/jungki8.htm Taekwon, Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --__--__-- Message: 4 From: To: the_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 04:35:29 -0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] mail resource listing/WCTF Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The first world Christian martial arts federation invites Christian black belts and instructors to join free. The World Christian Taekwondo Hapkido Federation invites all Christian Grandmasters, Masters, Clubs and Black Belts to join together and unify into one world martial art federation as a body for Jesus Christ, our Savior. Please review our web site at www.wctf.net God bless, Grandmaster Chuck Martin W.C.T.F. Founder ChristDoKwan Taekwondo Hapkido Founder 3-21-2004 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 06:14:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Craig Stovall... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I wonder if sho kosugi still makes movies? Jye George Peters wrote: Good Sir, Do you imply that you no longer watch Sho Kosogi , or you no longer watch when you think someone is watching you? I myself must admit that I have moved on to Mortal Kombat,but don't mind looking back. Respectfully, George _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:59:49 -0500 From: Jesse Segovia To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: RH email (Frank Clay) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Frank Clay" wrote: >1) The sender of this email Haemukwan@aol.com was in >fact Richard Hackworth as that was his email address for quite a while. >Haemukwan is the name of Hackworth's Kwan. > Are you saying Mr. Hackworth wrote this email intentionally in that very poor English, purporting to be a Korean? Jesse --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RH email To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:17:18 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > 1) The sender of this email Haemukwan@aol.com was in > fact Richard Hackworth as that was his email address for quite a while. > Haemukwan is the name of Hackworth's Kwan. I think Geo realized that. > 3) Hackworth did not create the KMAIA. The first president was a gentleman > named Beck. From what I have gathered, and I am not too clear on this, > Hackworth assumed it from Beck in some fashion. According to him because Beck > had gotten busted selling rank... (now THAT makes you wonder...) Do we know who this Beck was? American or Korean or ??? Where he is now? Just curious. > 4) Hackworth, with all of his faults, is an extremely intelligent person. The > only way to catch him in this fantasy is to note the inconsistencies in the > various stories. This is the one of the things that led up to my being able to > discern that I had been deceived. I caught him in a number of "inconsistencies". He would never admit or deny, just try to change the subject. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:34:25 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Website update Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net New reviews and links added to www.burrese.com These include reviews from the Jan., Feb. and March issues of Black Belt magazine of Inside the Crucible Vol. 3, Vital Targets, and Hand-To-Hand Combat. There will be quite a few things added in the next few months, and I am also working on a shopping cart and book store that I hope to have up and running by this summer. Check it out, and let me know if you have any comments, suggestions, etc. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Dave Steffen Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:39:14 -0700 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, rcroena@msn.com Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Hwang's letter Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:00:38 -0600 (CST) > From: > Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Masters?= > > Dear Tom: > > "......Clean up your language on this website Bruce, and do a > little more research before you disparage the name of a well > respected grandmaster....." > > It makes no difference to me whose feet you grovel at. I have my > own chosen favorites. I was thinking as I read your post that your > suggestion might be one person removed, though. Perhaps, since you > are so intimately connected with the "grandmaster" you may want to > advise him that he came across as something of an ass in my > book. In fact I can't say that I was any less disappointed in the > antics of the ITF (yes, all three of them) than I was quite > recently in the behavior of a few of the folks that profess as > relationship with Hapkido. I DO have to smile at the irony of your > post though. How clever to use rudeness to characterize MY post as > rude. Get all that energy from wearing your pride on your > shirt-sleeve or is it just an ITF thing? FWIW. I have to side with Mr. Metzner on this, although I might not have worded things the way he did. Going back to your (Bruce's) original post: > Well. Apparently the author is quite an authority on what "must" be > done. Actually, he is. > Unless I misread the post TKD would be best served if Chang Ung > politics were put out and Hwang Kwang Sung politics were > instated. Does the Choi family KNOW that Hwang Kwang Sung has been > channeling the spirit of Gen Choi. I assume this as apparently this > particular GM KNOWS what the General did and did not intend. Very likely, he did. There were very few people who were as close to the General, or as loyal to him, as GM Hwang. GM Hwang was (as I recall) at the General's death bed, and heard his last wishes. > Lucky him. This sounds, to me, mean spirited. Maybe you forgot your smiley? > Sounds to me like the same old Korean folk song, "King of the > Moutain". I imagine that merger talks will begin again just as soon > as all the people of standing are guarenteed they won't lose their > cushy berthes. GM Hwang has no "cushy berth" to gain or loose, except for his position with his ITF faction, which A) probably isn't that cushy (given what it means he has to deal with), and which (by his writing that letter) he seems likely to loose as well. > Oh, and the membership? Well, "F*** 'em", as usual. Come now, this is at least nominally a family forum. I do agree that the current state of affairs in the ITF(s) is ridiculous, and very disheartening. I can tell you that while many of the people involved are corrupt, GM Hwang isn't one of them; I have a great deal of faith in his integrity. "Truth in advertising" compels me to point out that I am no longer a part of GM Hwang's organization; we left last summer, and joined Master Choi, Jung Hwa's group. Part of that move was because we could not, in concience, support an organization that might move American $$ into North Korea, where it might buy bullets to be aimed at American soldiers. Personally, being affiliated with an organization with a North Korean president is simply not compatible with my career. (There were other reasons for our leaving KATU; they're more personal, and more complicated, and I won't go into them here. It was a regrettable situation.) As for GM Hwang coming across "as someing of an ass" in your book - he's a 9th dan (in the ITF, which only has a few), writing a formal letter (that Ray was good enough to reprint in this forum), in a language that isn't his first. I know GM Hwang well enough to guess that he was _very_ angry when he wrote that letter. He's making a strong statement about (his) ITF's leadership, and what he, as a 9th Dan (and note the certificate number, K-9-1, you do know what that means, right?) intends to do about it. What, precisely, do you object to? Personally, I was glad to read his letter. It reinforced my view of GM Hwang as a man of integrity. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Dave Steffen, Ph.D. Wave after wave will flow with the tide Raytheon IIS And bury the world as it does Tide after tide will flow and recede tkd-physics@comcast.net Leaving life to go on as it was... - Peart / RUSH "The reason that our people suffer in this way.... is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely". -General Choi, Hong Hi --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:54:51 -0500 From: "Wilson, Byron" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gentlemen and Ladies: Our studio has become alligned with the United States National Taekwondo Federation. This organization was started by Grandmaster Duk Gun Kwon of Chicago. While I am a TKD student and have MUCH to learn, I have been introduced to hoshinsool and would like to pursue a proper introduction to Hapkido. Our association has a sister association known as World Traditional Hapkido Federation founded by the same Grandmaster. Could anyone provide me with opinion regarding the through WTHF and Grandmaster Kwon? I would appreciate your views and experience with this organization. Byron Wilson TKD Student --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:12:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] USNTF Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Our studio has become alligned with the United States National Taekwondo > Federation. This organization was started by Grandmaster Duk Gun Kwon of > Chicago. While I am a TKD student and have MUCH to learn, I have been > introduced to hoshinsool and would like to pursue a proper introduction > to Hapkido. > > Our association has a sister association known as World Traditional Hapkido > Federation founded by the same Grandmaster. Could anyone provide me with > opinion regarding the through WTHF and Grandmaster Kwon? I would appreciate > your views and experience with this organization. I'm familar with Gm Kwon and his "us-n-tuff" group and have visited his dojang in Franklin Park. A good TKD org from what I can tell. But I didn't know that he had a Hapkido background... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest