Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:01:49 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #135 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Testing methods (Rudy Timmerman) 2. Re: Mr. Beck (tkdtom) 3. RE: Austin, TX. Hapkido Seminar, March 26, 27, 28 (Jason Thomas (Y!)) 4. Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Craig Stovall... (Master Arce) 5. Subject: [The_Dojang] a forms question (Master Arce) 6. re: Systematic Cirricula (Lasich, Mark D.) 7. modifying your curriculum (J R Hilland) 8. opinion poll (Kevin Luttrell) 9. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Hapkido_Forms?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 10. Re: Choi Hong-Hi & Song Duk-Ki (Thomas Gordon) 11. Re: examduration (Klaas Barends) 12. Dr. Kwon (Troy Smith, Jr.) 13. Re: RE: Jye's Ninjutsu Clips (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:42:41 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Testing methods Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce and Charles discuss: > For my students a test is composed of 100% of the current material and > then > diminishing levels of previous ranks not to exceed 100 techniques plus > hyung.In this way, for instance a person testing for 1st Dan would have > to perform 100% of the Brown Belt Curriculum, 50% of the Blue, 25% of > the Yellow and 12% of the White Hello Bruce and Charles: This seems to be in direct opposition to the way I conduct a test. My students are also asked to perform everything they have ever been taught; however, I pay closer attention to their FIRST belt than their last. If there is no significant improvement (or if the basic/previously learned material begins to slip), my students won't pass. I give lots of leeway on the new material they just learned, but I really tighten up on their previous material as we move along. FWIW. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 From: tkdtom To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Mr. Beck Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:28:33 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I recall that Mr. Beck was part of the Y.K. Kim organization as well. I believe he broke off and started his own organization. I started TKD at a school that was initially part of his organization. My 8th Geup certification was issued through that organization and carries the KTA symbol. Here is a copy of that certificate: http://tekennelly.gotdns.com:3503/eighth.gup.JPG It should be noted that soon after this cert was issued our school joined USCDKA, GM EB Sell's organization, a real and credible organization. I do realize that this is most likely NOT a real KTA certification since, as a long time lurker, I have read the discussions that KTA only issues certificates in Korea. Lastly, I do recall seeing Master Beck on the very same occasion that I saw Richard Hackworth, a Hapkido 4th Dan in the early 90's. Master Beck was clearly the head of the TKD organization my school was a member of at that time. Of course the TKD school was in Orlando. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael tomlinson" To: Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 7:56 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Mr. Beck > I ran into Mr. Beck many many years ago. At one time he was a Master in the > Y.K. Kim's TKD org.. down here in the Orlando area... I remember him being > one of the guys on the testing boards.. years after this when I was doing a > Hapkido seminar in the east florida area he picked up one of my flyers in > Orlando and called me out of nowhere and offered to sell me rank in the > Korean Hapkido Federation,,,, NOT the Korea Hapkido Fed... but as he said > the Korean Hapkido Federation,, which he stated was the original and oldest > org, it was really funny,,, he told me that I had to send the passport pic's > etc... and he was real adament about me sending my S.S.N.-- I had no > interest in anything he was selling but I thought I would see what he was up > to. > > He told me that the "koreans" always wanted the S.S.N. for the number on > your certificate!!! I ask him if he wanted to come over and "do" some > Hapkido and he told me that he didn't need to see me "do" any Hapkido,,, all > he needed was my money,, picture, application, and of course my S.S.N.-- > what a trip!! > Michael > Tomlinson > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet > access. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Austin, TX. Hapkido Seminar, March 26, 27, 28 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:14:07 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Dewitt, Absolutely, GM Timmerman will be coming to Austin for a seminar this weekend March 26th, 27th and 28th. A number of other instructors such as Grand Master Hodder, Director of the USKMAF Tae Kwon Do Program, and others have volunteered to help and teach a bit from their arts such as Tae Kwon Do, Tang Soo Do, and Tukong Moosul. Anyone who wants more info can find it at www.natkd.com/events. Also feel free to contact me via e-mail at syne7@yahoo.com or phone at (504) 905-6828 and I'll send you the info directly. Thanks for your interest, Jason E. Thomas Chief Instructor North Austin Tae Kwon Do -----Original Message----- From: Dewitt, Garrett [mailto:Garrett.Dewitt@state.mn.us] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 8:16 AM To: 'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net' Subject: [The_Dojang] Austin, TX. Hapkido Seminar Master Jason Thomas I haven't seen much info on the DoJang Digest regarding the upcoming NKMAA Hapkido seminar there in Austin, TX. Is this NKMAA seminar still scheduled for March 26th, 27th & 28th? Thank You Master DeWitt _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:20:20 -0800 (PST) From: Master Arce Subject: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Craig Stovall... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I wonder if Sho Kosugi still makes movies?-Jye He teaches new actors now at his acting school. http://www.shokosugi.com/ His sons make movies now.... Peace, Steve Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:23:16 -0800 (PST) From: Master Arce Subject: Subject: [The_Dojang] a forms question To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey folks, A quick question for y'all. Does anyone know where I can find good DVD's to learn Tang Soo Do/Hapkido Forms? I have only briefly played around with the Palgwe forms. And I am interested in see/learnuing some of the TSD/HKD forms. Thanks in advance Edward Check out: www.turtlepress.com Steve Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang (E-mail)" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:53:50 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: Systematic Cirricula Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Charles Richards writes: >I teach my leadership team to make no more than three corrections per >class, and look for the two or three things the class needs correction >on, rather than singling out one or two folks. Conversly, brown and >red belts are beginning to think I'm attatched to them via a saddle :-) and Rudy agreed: >".....you will find that theme over and over again" I concur that limiting the number of corrections (of a student or a class) gives students ample time to work on and integrate that change. To continue with this, another thing that drives me crazy is a student "learning" their whole form, or even half of it the first class after they got their new rank. In Songahm TKD, there is no similarity between the forms, even at the gup level. For me, work on the "new" basic material for that rank the first week, perhaps introduce some combinations they will learn in their form that week or the next, but by no means make it a race to see who can learn the form the quickest! Any other approaches out there? In the spirit, Mark --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:21:55 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] modifying your curriculum Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sent: 19 January 2004 16:09 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] modifying your curriculum That was very strange. I sent out that email back in January. Jere R. Hilland www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:22:56 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Luttrell To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] opinion poll Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, I just wonder everyone's opinions as to what standard we as black belts should be held too? How can it be standardized as to physical ability? I read most every post and am guilty of "lurking" without much participation. But in my own defense, most of what I read really doesnt have much to do with technique as much as it has to do with one's physical prowess. As a martial artist reading and studying for quite a few years (26 this year) and teaching for about 12.. I am not physically able to perform as I once did. As a martial arts business person, I have to consider that some people just want to enjoy the practice of martial arts a couple times a week, much the same as playing any other sport for recreational pleasure. I was told when I decided to start my martial arts business dealings that I should respect those persons who just want to train for recreation only. That they are the reason those us who like to study on a more serious level are able to take advantage of the resources we have access to today. Because they make the market profitable enough for skilled instructors to teach and study full time. I just wonder what every one else's opinion on the subject. Kevin Luttrell The Martial Artist Foundation Springfield Missouri Visit The Martial Artist Foundation Official Website at http://www.geocities.com/taekwondoks/ or join The Martial Artist Foundation Yahoo Group for free and keep up to e on Events: ="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themartialartistfoundation/join"> --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:43:06 -0600 (CST) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Hapkido_Forms?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Edward: "......And I am interested in see/learnuing some of the TSD/HKD forms...." I think what you are looking for in Hapkido is pretty much on an organizational basis rather than through some general MA supply house. For instance, the WHF offers video tapes that include the Hapkido hyung developed by GM Myung. I would bet that the WHRDA have the forms developed by Joo Bang Lee, and the WKSWA have the forms developed by In Hyuk Suh. Certainly the HMD folks under Dr. Kimm have his forms but I have never seen them advertised to the public. Sin Mu Hapkido doesn't have forms and I don't think the IHF under Jae Nam Myung have any either. I simply don't know if the IHF under Bong Su Han has any or not. Sorry. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:36:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Choi Hong-Hi & Song Duk-Ki From: "Thomas Gordon" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "....Thomas, try to eep an open mind. And I suggest everyone save that website like I did! :)" Mr. Burdick, I have a very open mind. There are few things more rewarding than learning new things or new ways. However, I do not have an open mind to someone that claims they can read minds through Ki. I have a real problem with mind reading, levitating, time traveling, and so forth. Not being funny or mean spirited, if someone can demonstrate mind reading or levitating, I would love to meet them at Jackson this fall. Best regards, Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:05:22 +0800 From: Klaas Barends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: examduration Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I had never truely understood the idea of an exhaustive cataloging of > techniques that some people advocate and I know that GM Myung does not do > this when HE tests. I figure if I can't see whether the person has the > right idea going in his test after 50 to 100 techniques, plus his forms, > (and especially after working with them for months on end) I must be in > the wrong business, yes? If you have a personal student-teacher relationship, you won't need to test. I know before hand wether or not a student will make the exam or not. The test is just a formality and usually takes something like an hour or so (for the whole group to do their exam). People have to screw up really bad in order not to make the exam, and it will depend on the person. What I don't understand is that some masters want to test the students of their students. This master usually doesn't know the students, hasn't worked with them, doesn't know where they come form etc. etc. He's probably just there for the money. -- mvg. Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:37:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Troy Smith, Jr." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Dr. Kwon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, I have know Dr. Kwon since I was a youngster. I have seen his Hapkido and Taekwon Do demos and have attending many of his events. The group in whole are wonderful people. Dr. Kwon is ranked as 8th Dan HKD and 9th Dan TKD (Kukkiwon). I don't know who his 8th Dan Hapkido, but I tell you he is very impressive. My club is also associated with his USNTF. I have known many associated with him refer it as the Us--N--Tuff! Funny! We are having the 12th Annual event in Chicago I hope to see some of you there. I look forward to meeting some of you for the first time in Austin at Master Thomas HKD seminar. Best Regards, Master Troy Smith President United Martial Arts Society __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:46:25 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Jye's Ninjutsu Clips To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net BBT is still ninjutsu. Hatsumi just wanted to get away from the negative image of the "hollywood ninja". Jye "Stovall, Craig" wrote: Cool. This is interesting stuff... One more question. I did a quick web search, and I'm noticing that Hatsumi is referring to his art as "Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu". Is this a "new" art? If so, what's it's relationship to the Togakure-Ryu system? Or, is "BBT" just a new name for the old Togakure-Ryu system? CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. 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