Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:42:02 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #140 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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GM Timmerman in Austin this weekend (Dennis McHenry) 2. Re: Black Belt Test (stuart knowlton) 3. Re: Kevin Luttrell (luke rose) 4. Counting (Marc McPharlin) 5. RE: RE: "older" martial artists (Kip McCormick) 6. Seoul, book review (Ray Terry) 7. RE: From Another Group.....gun disarm (Kip McCormick) 8. EB Sell (Frank Clay) 9. Credentials of Edward B. Sell (Kevin Luttrell) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:55:45 GMT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Dennis McHenry Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Timmerman in Austin this weekend Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Been out of town and drove over 3600 miles in the past two weeks, I'm sure going to miss training with GM Timmerman and Master Thomas' hospitality this weekend in Austin TX. I would highly recommend attending the seminar if possible, as I know you'd learn a lot and have a good time doing it. Sorry I have to miss out on this one. For those interested, information (registration and flyer) can be found at: http://www.natkd.com/events.htm Have fun, Mac ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: 24 Mar 2004 11:10:18 -0800 From: stuart knowlton Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Black Belt Test To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Brian Congratulations on earning your Blackbelt! I know how awesome it feels. I like what you said about TKD being a journey. We have a student of green belt level who will be moving soon and wants to further his training and I would like to get your feelings on something. Question: when you switched schools, did they know of your previous experience? As a show of respect, did you surrender your belt to them? And if so did your previous training ever help you double promote? It sounds like you tested through each belt level. I don't believe in belt chasing, but should any of the honor and experience afforded by earning a belt at one school transfer to another? What do you think? Stu On Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:30 PM, Brian Woodard wrote: >This past Saturday I had the privilege to test for my black belt. I was >tested by Grandmaster Duk Sung Son. It was such an honor to except my belt >from one the true pioneers of taekwondo. >I started my adventure in taekwondo back in 1999 in Kansas with a school >teaching the ITF forms. I was expecting to test for black belt in that >school in April of 2001 but I had to move the month before. I took about >six months to find a school with the style of taekwondo I was looking for >when I found the WTA school I now attend. So in October of 2001, I once >again proudly put on a white belt and dove right in. I must say every day I >find tremendous joy in practicing this art and will continue to as long as I >have breath in me... > >As for now having achieved black belt.... It's just like putting that white >belt back on again. I am starting another new journey learning new things >and new ways to use the skills that I have learned over the past 5 years at >a whole new level. It is also a journey that is changing me as a person >from within. > >Raise a glass of your favorite beverage and toast "Here's to >the journey!" > >Yours in the Arts; > >Brian Woodard >1st Dan, WTA >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:24:01 -0800 (PST) From: luke rose To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Kevin Luttrell Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Kevin, Thank you for your post. I am trying to get into teaching full-time and it isn't easy. However I do love it with my very "being" and I know I will succeed if I give it my all. Anyway I just wanted to say I found your post inspirational and to the point. I couldn't agree more. Luke Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Marc McPharlin" To: Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:38:56 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Counting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all, My question is brief. How do you say zero in Korean? I have searched and not found anything. Thanks Marc McPharlin IT Manager Classic Cabinets (801) 972-2001 x131 itmgr@classiccabs.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Kip McCormick" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: "older" martial artists Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:25:10 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net And remember, growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional! Kip Kip McCormick Warrior Hapkido Seoul >From: "Denise" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: "older" martial artists >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:37:20 -0500 > >Jye writes-- >"I think the older people . . . Think of it like this. The younger guys are >cheetahs, older people are like lions . . . although the lion may never be >as fast as the cheetah, it still is effective; utilizing what it has to the >best of its abilities making it work for him, and still has its place in >the >jungle. . . . you may not be as fast but you can use what you have to hold >your own." > >Great stuff, Jye and just to add . . . the BEST bumper sticker ever: > >"Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill" :-) > >Denise, the ancient grasshopper >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage. Multiple plans available. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:49:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Seoul, book review Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net _Seoul, villegeante, cites radieuses_ by Valerie Gelezeau, with a preface by Jean-Robert Pitte, 2003. Paris: CNRS Editions (Collection Asie Orientale). 292 pages (maps, plans, charts, illus., gloss., bibliog.) Euros 29. (ISBN 2-271-06085-0, paper). Reviewed by James E. Hoare SOAS, University of London jim@jhoare10.fsnet.co.uk Journalists who write about Pyongyang, the capital of North Korea, often dwell on the supposedly "Stalinist" characteristics of its high-rise apartment blocks, and their reduction of human beings to ant-like creatures. To the writers, these blocks are clearly a bad thing. Yet some three hundred kilometers further down the Korean peninsula, in the South Korean capital of Seoul, tower blocks seem even more domineering. Clustered together in miniature cities within the greater conurbation, they have become the preferred dwelling place of the affluent and successful. South Koreans boast of their tower blocks and the urban infrastructure of elevated roadways, underpasses and bridges that go with them, comparing Seoul's Yoido Island to Manhattan. There is nothing negative about this assessment of such buildings. In this fascinating book, the French geographer ValErie GelEzeau examines how this came to be. Her work is partly based on direct observation through living in Seoul, and interviewing urban residents. As well as examining how people live in the towers, she also includes much information about traditional Korean housing and explains how today's city dwellers manage to preserve some traditional practices in the very different spaces that they occupy today. She traces the origins of the modern dwelling complexes to the industrial complexes established in the Japanese colonial period, but argues that the real take-off for high-rise buildings was only practical with improvements in water pressure and the reliability of electricity supplies, for central heating and elevators, that had to wait until the economic transformation of South Korea under President Park Chung-hee began to take effect. It was thus only in the late 1970s that the widespread use of buildings over four-six stories became possible. Before then, the typical Seoul "high-rise" was about five stories, with no elevator and with a water tank on the roof. In a society where few people owned their own cars, there was little or no need for parking places. Some of these low high-rises survive, now updated, with the water tank used only for emergencies, and where possible, with parking spaces for the explosion in car ownership since the mid-1980s. In general, however, the mighty blocks that now dominate so much of the city have replaced these early efforts. Park and those around him then encouraged such buildings for a number of reasons. They further assisted the great construction chaebol such as Hyundai, tying them in close to the regime. They provided housing for the large numbers who flocked to Seoul as a consequence of economic development, replacing more traditional-style buildings and shantytowns that had sprung up after the Korean War, when South Korea was too poor to afford anything else. GelEzeau also sees the development of the high-rises as an important part of Park's commitment to modernize South Korea. Perhaps drawing on his experience of Japan's Manchukuo experiment, Park equated the traditional with the countryside and the countryside with the backward. Not only should people move off the land, but they should also change the way that they lived. And the new blocks with their "Western"-style bathrooms and kitchens were a potent symbol of that modernity. But as so often happens when one probes into developments in Korea, the inspiration for the new blocks that began to appear from the mid-1970s came from Japan rather than from the West, despite the Western-sounding _nyu t'aun_(New Town) appellation that the Chamsil first mega-complex received. The _chaebol_ built their blocks following what had become the standard modern Japanese layout, "LDK" - that is, a set of bedrooms around a "living, dining, kitchen" area. This concept was very different from the layout of the traditional Korean house, and it imposed on its inhabitants a new way of living. GelEzeau describes how Koreans have learnt to cope with this. Some meals are taken Western-style, seated around a table. Others, especially late night snacks, or meals for older people, are more likely to be served on traditional-style individual low tables. Sleeping patterns vary, with the younger members of a family more inclined towards beds; again, older people may prefer to sleep on the floor, as their ancestors used to do. All those to whom she spoke seemed to prefer their modern kitchens and bathrooms to those in traditional houses, yet some prefer to go to the surviving bathhouses, or the more modern sauna, rather than using the baths in their homes. The reason for this is that such places provide a more sociable environment. While her contacts praised the apartments for their comfort and safety, some at least look back positively on older styles of housing because there was more contact with neighbours. People clearly miss the friendly greetings of the old communities. Indeed, one of the most striking aspects of the world that GelEzeau describes is how isolated people seem from each other. Community, and even family, life hardly exists. The staff charged with looking after the buildings complain that the residents will not sort their rubbish or take responsibility for the communal areas. Yet these blocks are not the bleak social housing that has given high-rise buildings such a bad name in Europe, but the acme of middle-class living, in a society where everybody appears to aspire to be considered middle class. This is not the only paradox. While Seoulites may see themselves living an Eastern version of the American dream, the reality is that the tower blocks of Seoul are far removed from how Americans (and many Europeans) prefer to live. She notes the complete absence of the house and garden concept that 80% of Americans prefer - although she does not mention the prime example of this lifestyle that was visible on the Yongsan base, which was certainly known to many Koreans. All this and much more is presented in this handsomely produced book. The illustrations are well chosen, and the line drawings and plans clear and informative. The text is readable and jargon-free. As with many French books, there is no index, but a detailed table of contents at the end. Citation: Hoare, James E. 2004 Seoul, villegeante, cites radieuses, by Valerie Gelezeau, (2003) _Korean Studies Review_ 2004, no. 04 Electronic file: http://koreaweb.ws/ks/ksr/ksr04-04.htm --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Kip McCormick" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] From Another Group.....gun disarm Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:52:26 -0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Those disarm techniques seem pretty technical. My concern is this: it's dark, you're bleeding or just sweaty and grimy, your adrenaline is going through the roof, and you're dealing with a possible disarm situation. You may have innocent civilians nearby, some may have already been shot...folks are screaming all around you. Will your brain be able to identify the weapon type and do the precise things (or "tricks") necessary listed in the email to control the weapon and successfully disarm the attacker? Or at least control the situation? It's doubtful that I can identify what type of weapon it is in the dark except that it is a shotgun/rifle/automatic weapon or handgun. I learned most of my weapons disarms techniques from former police officers and combat veterans who've had to no-kiddin' disarm someone, and every one of them says the same the same thing: Get control of the weapon's muzzle (barrell), then keep it simple...and brutal. No tricks involved. LTC Kip McCormick, US Army "Warrior Hapkido" Seoul, Korea >From: Jye nigma >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [The_Dojang] From Another Group.....gun disarm >Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:30:02 -0800 (PST) > >Since the gun is the weapon of the current age, I thought we could >discuss >some gun disabling tricks. > >The Automatic: >Most automatics have a slide that is pulled back to cycle the gun. The >gun >can only be fired between cycles. Because of this, one trick is to >somehow >push the slide back a bit which actually disables the gun. One cocky >method: >suppose someone jabs a gun into your chest. Push your weight into the >gun >enough that it pushes the slide back a small amount, the gun is then >disabled. The hard part is that the barrel usually won't move, just the >slide, so try to avoid hitting the barrel while putting pressure on the >slide. > >The Revolver: >A single action (SA) revolver means that you must pull the trigger the >full >length before it will fire. Some single-action/double-action revolvers >allow >you to either pull the full trigger length, or you can cock the hammer >first, there are a few variations in design. In either case, if the >hammer >is not cocked then the drum will have to turn as the trigger is pulled >for >it to fire. This means that an uncocked revolver being pointed at you >offers >you a way to prevent the trigger from being pulled. Simply reach up and >get >a death grip on the drum and it cannot fire. Another adjunct to this is >to >slip your pinky or index finger under the hammer, and again it will not >fire >(though it sure is gonna hurt). > >Handgun Disarms: >All taijutsu students should be skilled in gun disarms. Unfortunately I >feel >that few ever train in this. To properly train in this you should have >a >realistic looking handgun WITHOUT the trigger guard, it should be sawed >off. >Without this there is a high probability of breaking the holder's >finger >during a disarm. Save the handgun replica for the advanced disarm >practice >after you're good. >I've found that there are angles to attack the gun-holding hand which >make >it nearly impossible to hold onto a gun when executed properly. In >testing >this, we've found that even clenching with your tightest grip cannot >allow >you to hold onto the gun. As usual, the thumb is the weak-point. > >Imagine a guy is holding a gun at you in his right hand. Using your >right >hand, bring it up towards the barrel of the gun hooking your thumb >underneath the barrel and use your thumb mostly to redirect the weapon. >I >say this because if it's an automatic, you don't want to be gripping >the top >where the slide is when the gun goes off and the slide cycles. Redirect >the >gun, maybe it goes off, maybe it doesn't, in any case get it away from >you >and you move also. For the next part with your fingers you would reach >over >the top of the gun (thumb still hooked into the bottom) and then pull >the >whole thing towards you (this part is hard to explain verbally). Done >right >the gun will easily break free of his grip BUT his trigger finger will >remain trapped in the trigger guard. This is where it's dangerous and >you >may break someone's fingers. So you can either slip it out or do >something >else. In any case, establish control over the gun and you're done. > >Any of you guys got any other interesting gun tricks? Send em in. > >~AP > > >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms – all in one place at MSN Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:03:28 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] EB Sell Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tim, I don't know about that, but I attended one of his seminars once, and ended up being preached at. Ed Sell has longevity, and he is certified by KKW and CDK. Other than that, I don't see what is so special about him... there are others who are at least as qualified. Frank --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:08:30 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Luttrell To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Credentials of Edward B. Sell Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello tkdtom, I don't know you so don't take offense. It's just my personal pride taking over as I am proud of my instructor and what he stands for , I am a senior Chief instructor under G.M Edward B. Sell and I would like to post some facts regarding G.M. Sell's credentials and his personal integrity. As I am very proud to be called his student. I searched for quite a few years after leaving Korea to find someone who was more interested in my training than he was my money. His personal integrity is of the highest standard. We as American Taekwondoist should be proud to have an American that sets the standard for not only us, but for taekwondoist around the world. Grandmaster Edward B. Sell is the highest ranked non-oriental in Taekwondo. His credentials and reputation are world-renowned. Grandmaster Sell has received the highest recognition, appointments, and degree of anyone outside of Korea. He has more than 35 years of experience in the study, training, researching, teaching, and performing of one of the World's most effective forms of self defense (Taekwondo Chung Do Kwan). He is the founding President of one of the oldest Taekwondo Institutions in the world, the U. S. Chung Do Kwan Association (est. 1967). He offers credentials to Black Belts who wish to excel in the profession of teaching Taekwondo. Grandmaster Sell developed a unique Instructors Degree system to keep the retention of high-ranking black belts. He currently has more than 100 Master Black Belt students from 4th-7th Dan. He is known throughout the world for his impressive brick and concrete breaking techniques and high impact Taekwondo exhibitions. He and his wife, Grandmaster Brenda J. Sell (7th Dan), have established an international Christian Black Belt Demonstration Team, called The Sell Team. They have received assignments through the U.S. Pentagon to perform at military installations throughout the world. They also perform in churches and public schools using Taekwondo to carry inspiring messages encouraging and motivating people of all ages to "be all they can be." 1960-67 - Instructor in Policemen's Combative Tactics. 1963 - First American ever to be allowed to compete in a Korean National Championship 1966 - First American to receive the Taekwondo Certificate of Merit from the Korea Taekwondo Association for outstanding contribution in the promotion of Taekwondo to the US Military. 1966 - First American to receive a 4th Degree Black Belt, earning him the title of Highest Ranked Non-oriental in Taekwondo, (of which he still holds today.) 1966 - First American to receive the Master Instructor's diploma. 1967 - Formed his own national association, the US Chung Do Kwan Association currently sanctioned by the World Taekwondo Federation. 1969 - Developed the Instructors Degree certification system to motivate, properly train and certify American Taekwondo Instructors. 1969 - He is the author of America's first Taekwondo training manual. 1972 - First American to be awarded the appointment to International Master by the W.T.F. 1973 - He and his wife authored one of America's best selling textbooks Forces of Taekwondo, currently in it's 10th revised edition. 1973 - He was the Coach of the US Team in the 1st World Taekwondo Championship, Korea. 1973 - 1st World Taekwondo Championship his student, and brother Ray Sell took a bronze medal. 1974 - First American to receive International Referee Certification. 1976 - International Referee, 1st World Games-Seoul, Korea. 1981 - Founder of The Sell Team, an International Christian Demonstration Team. 1987 - 8th Degree Black Belt World Chung Do Kwan Association-Seoul, Korea. 1988 - Public Relations Committee 1988 Olympics-Seoul, Korea. 1988 - Featured on the cover of Taekwondo Times December Issue. 1991 - 8th Degree Black Belt certified by the World Taekwondo Federation (Kukkiwon). 1997 - Featured on the cover of Tae Kwon Do Times. 1997 - 9th Degree Black Belt certified by the World Chung Do Kwan. 2001 - Successfully passed the examination that proclaims him as the highest ranked Black Belt in the world in Taekwondo outside the Korean nationality! He has promoted more than 5,000 Black Belts in his career and his teaching principles have been exposed to nearly 250,000 American students. He is also the Founding President of the following: US Chung Do Kwan Association, Korean Taekwondo Association of America, The Sell Team (International Christian Demonstration Team), Taekwondo Rangers, and the Christian Taekwondo University. His goal in life is to touch people's lives, encouraging them to be strong in mind, body, and spirit. His credentials are legitimate and without question. How much more 'authentic' can it get.. Sabum Kevin W. Luttrell The Martial Artist Foundation Springfield, Mo Visit The Martial Artist Foundation Official Website at http://www.geocities.com/taekwondoks/ or join The Martial Artist Foundation Yahoo Group for free and keep up to e on Events: ="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themartialartistfoundation/join"> --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest