Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 03:01:48 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #147 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. thoughts on gun defense... (George Peters) 2. Frank Clay on TKD (George Peters) 3. RE: Austin seminar (Thomas Gordon) 4. Re: Joongang Daily Article on Mixed Martial Arts in Korea (Dragons81@aol.com) 5. old hyung... (Davide Sorrentino) 6. RE: old hyung... (Rick Clark) 7. NEWBIE (Richard Tomlinson) 8. Fast (Ray Terry) 9. Korean for Zero (Frank Clay) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 00:26:45 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] thoughts on gun defense... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Esteemed Membership, I have read much worthy material, but have yet to see anyone suggest a Jedi Mind Trick in lieu of what has been deemed unsuitable. Respectfully, George _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar – FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 00:36:18 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Frank Clay on TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, Since TKD was formed from TSD how do you think to get away with saying they are "completely different entities"? Seperate when viewing some of the more "evolving schools",kissing cousins when one visits a traditional TKD school. Respectfully, George _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Austin seminar Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:40:06 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I hope everyone has a great time in Austin. I wish I could be there but I have a business engagement that I must attend. Perhaps next year. Travel safe and have a blast! Warm regards, Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Dragons81@aol.com Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:14:11 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Joongang Daily Article on Mixed Martial Arts in Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Someone remind me to go to Gimmie Five when I anounce that I'm going to Korea. (Which will hopefully be next summer) --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Davide Sorrentino" To: Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:25:46 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] old hyung... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi to all!!! I want ask you if someone know something about this hyung. I read about them in "A moden history of Taekwondo" by Kang Won Sik and Lee Kyon Myong; in chapter 2, section 8, about the "dan promotion test and hyung (form)", is wrote about the system of dan promotion test of the Korea Taesoodo Association, in 1962 (11th November). I know many of those form, becouse they are the equivalent of shotokan karate kata in tang soo do (like chuki-naebojin-keema hyong a.k.a. tekki or naihanchi; palsae(palchie) a.k.a. bassai; jang kwon a.k.a.wankan; oh ship sa a.k.a. gojusho; kong sang kun a.k.a. kanku or kushanku; etc.); and there were also some actual Tkd I.T.F. hyung (like choong moo, gae baek, etc, at that time new forms by Gen. Choi Chang Hon set). But it's wrote also about hyung i didn't hear before; they are : A) For I dan : -Ja won hyung; -Hwarang hyung (the same of tkd i.t.f.?) B) For II dan : -Balhan hyung dae C) For III dan : -Yon bi hyung; -Dan kwon hyung; -No pae hyung; -Ul ji hyung D) For IV dan : -Ja un hyung; -Jin soo hyung; -Am hak hyung (is this a japanese kata, i don't remember...); -Jin dong hyung; -Sam il hyung; -Kwan kong hyung; -Ship sam hyung; -Bal wol hyung; -Pal ki kwon hyung The reason of my reserch is this : i'm a III dan of tae kwon do WTF, and i'm including in my form's curriculum also the old forms once practiced in old Taekwondo/Taesoodo/Tang soo do/Kong soo do. I think it's been a geat loss, for us, new taekwondo generations, don't know these form! So i'm focusing on these form, included Pyung ahn/Pinan/Heian, training with Karate and Tang soo do pratictioner...without leave palgwe, taegeuk and poomse for black belt. What do you think about? Each help is pleasant and agreeble P.s.: i'm sorry for my not so corret english...i'm from naples, italy... Dott. Davide Sorrentino --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Rick Clark" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] old hyung... Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:28:24 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From: Davide Sorrentino [mailto:davidsorrentino@libero.it] > I want ask you if someone know something about this hyung. > C) For III dan : > -Yon bi hyung; My guess is Yon bi is probably Empi (Shotokan) Eun Bi (old TKD) or Wanshu (Okinawan Karate) > -Ja un hyung; Ja un is most likely Jion (Shotokan) Ja On (old TKD) > The reason of my reserch is this : i'm a III dan of tae kwon do WTF, and > i'm > including in my form's curriculum also the old forms once practiced in old > Taekwondo/Taesoodo/Tang soo do/Kong soo do. I think it's been a geat loss, > for us, new taekwondo generations, don't know these form! So i'm focusing > on > these form, included Pyung ahn/Pinan/Heian, training with Karate and Tang > soo do pratictioner...without leave palgwe, taegeuk and poomse for black > belt. > What do you think about? I quite agree with you that it is a shame these older forms are not being taught and practiced to the extent they were. It is my opinion that modern TKD has changed the forms to distance its self from the past connection with anything Japanese or Okinawan. Early in the 60's there was some acknowledgement of the relationship between TKD and Karate but it was very VERY limited. Then as the forms changed there was more of an effort to distance TKD and it's connection to Japanese influence. Today with the research that has been done on it is more and more difficult to distance the connection. However, it seems to me TKD is trying to distance its self further by the concentration on the Olympics and the sport aspect of modern TKD. But then that's just my opinion :-) > Each help is pleasant and agreeble > > P.s.: i'm sorry for my not so corret english...i'm from naples, italy... Your English is much better than my Italian! > > Dott. Davide Sorrentino Rick Clark "Illegitimis non carborundum." ("Don't let the bastards grind you down.") -Gen. Joseph Stilwell www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:18:47 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] NEWBIE Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A year for a black belt? Sounds a little quick! I started when I was 40 and now am 45. I will be testing for my second dan in june. We are ITF and our requirements are, about three years to first dan, one must test 6 times before getting second dan, about two years. Second to third, 9 tests, about every 4 or so months. Each belt previous to first dan has a required class attendance amount . Of course it is up finaly to the instructor to send a student or not. I had two borderline adults that had missed alot of classes during their blue belt but they made the effort to spend the last two weeks working hard for this wendsdays test. At the red level, red and three red stripes before pre black it is suggested to miss a test here and there to work on previous techniques. From red stripe one to three there is only one form learned. It's a great time to improve kicking and hand techniques. Also sparring is developed here. So, really, what is the hurry? Isnt it better learn the techniques well of the belt you wear so that when you get to preblack you can spend the time fine pointing instead of relearning? Quite frankly I didnt feel as though I had begun to earn my black belt until about 6 months in. Getting second dan means I have passed the requirements of a black belt first dan. Now I must pass the requirements of second dan to get third and so on. So lets see... I figure at about 64 or 65 I'll have 4th? Oh that aging thing.... As you age you become stronger and better because you know how to do techniques more properly. Does seem to be going that way for me! Ok the joints ache so I take glucosomine, and after a day of teaching and training I need longer night sleep for recovery, but Im ready every day to start again! sandy --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 15:06:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Fast Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > A year for a black belt? Sounds a little quick! Yep, very fast... outside of Korea. In Korea, not too uncommon, or so I understand. But then they are in the dojang about twice as often per week as is common in the US. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:43:33 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean for Zero Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Steve, You are in error. There must be a word for "zero" because without a zero there are certain principles of mathematics and engineering which are impossible. This is a mathematical fact, so that means there is some word that is used to express the concept, even if it is borrowed from another culture. Frank --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest