Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:18:03 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #163 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Humor for Instructors (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) 2. Ideal age for kids to have black belt (Kevin Milks) 3. Kukkiwon certification (Michael Falba) 4. Re: Poome and Dan again (Jason E. Thomas) 5. From an article...force on force (Jye nigma) 6. From an article....How to pick a martial art (Jye nigma) 7. WTF Kicking (Charles Richards) 8. Chambering the kick (Rudy Timmerman) 9. Re:Kukkiwon Certification (Manuel Maldonado) 10. Kicks (Brian Beach) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 02:49:35 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Humor for Instructors Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Common Students that Martial Arts Instructors See Question Lad (aka. What-If?): This guy will bring up every possible permutation for every drill that is being worked. Solution: Make him uki. Captain Slacker: Dogs the drills and sucks away the stunning dynamic experience that occurs during every class. ;-) Solution: Make him uki. The Interpreter: Seems to believe that explanations must be altered so that the masses can understand them. Even when the masses are already doing the drill. Solution: Make him uki. The Whacker: Selflessly and altruistically strives to make each partner drill ultra-"realistic", for his partner's learning benefit. Leaves a wake of bruises, black eyes, and sprains behind him until he tries it on the wrong person. Solution: Trade partners frequently, the right one will come along soon. The Silver Spoon: Has a unique blind spot that prevents him from seeing anything that needs doing around the dojo. This blind spot is so wide that he can't see an entire dojo floor full of other students with rags cleaning up. Solution: Hand him a rag. Or make him uke. Gis make great cleaning rags, with or without a person in them. The Assistant Instructor: Possessed of a truly amazing learning curve, this specimen has absorbed enough knowledge in six months' study to be able to offer a flawless critique of others' practice. Undeterred by the presence of actual knowledge and experience. Solution: Have him do heian shodan. As my sensei told me, "Nobody knows more about karate than a green belt. If you don't believe it, just ask him" The Vince Lombardi Wannabe: Believes only that a good offense is the best defense. Constantly attacks training partners at full speed to demonstrate this philosophy, leaving confused and disgruntled students in his wake. Solution: He/she feeds the instructor next time. The Whiner: Common source of "but that huuuuurts!" "I think I need to sit out for a moment," and "that's too hard!" during simple basic partner drills, including all light sparring. Solution: Take two Tylenol and put them back in. They'll either gain a little intestinal fortitude or they'll quit. (Note: the Tylenol is for YOU, not them.) (Note 2: I'm not talking real injury here----I mean the whimpering little whining that happens when someone gets an arm bar put on, so that the pressure on the arm "hurts my arm muscle." Things like that. People who simply canNOT get through an entire class without at least 2 brief class pauses while the instructor checks if the person is really hurt, or just whining yet _again_.) (And yes, I've got one of these. Arg.) The Toughman: Can take ANY technique, and "tough it out" according to him (it is almost always a him). Pressure points don't work (according to him), locks are something he can handle (according to him), and getting thrown/landed on/smashed/crushed/mangled is something where he can "take the pain, suck it up, and shrug it off." No matter what. Solution: Make him uki MORE. The Cross-trainer: "White belt, you need to adjust your stance this way." "But sir, this is the way we did it in the last tkd/karate/aikido/judo/whatever class I was in. And I've noted you don't do [such and such] technique 'correctly' ---in my last class, the teacher said it was stupid to do it the way you do." Teacher: "Arg. Can I simply kill you now?" Solution: Manage to not show Little Grasshopper why you "do it that way," and simply explain that different classes do it different ways----and in THIS class, we do it MY way. The Primal Male: Women simply canNOT do techniques that would be effective against this man because, after all, they are women. Smaller, weaker, etc... Solution: Have the smallest high ranking female in class use The Primal Male as demonstration person for joint locks and throws. In front of the new students. (This person is common in many college programs, BTW.) The Mouth: Has the amazing ability to continue talking while you are standing in front of him stating that he should shut up. (If you're lucky, this only occurs in children's classes.) Solution: His partner gets 10 pushups everytime he opens his mouth. The Clueless: He's constantly doing stuff wrong. Even the simplest explanations bring a glazed look to his eye as he continues to be unable to improve. Solution: Can't think of a single one. [Ed. Note: Baseball bat. Hey, it is theraputic for the teacher.] The macho newbie: He's big, he's strong, and he knows it. Furthermore, there's no woman in the whole dojo that he couldn't knock out with his fabulous punch, and he's going to make sure that everyone knows it. Solution: Kick him in the groin. ;) (OK, so you can't really do that if you're the instructor, but you can tell the other students to do it!) The macho old-timer: He's big, he's strong, and he's been doing this a long time. Ain't no one in the place that better *ever* beat him at a drill, or they will pay the consequences. Solution: Kick him in the groin and then quickly move on to the next partner. The "in my previous dojo"er: Need I say more? :) Solution: Send him on to his next dojo. Ninja Bob: Is pretty sure that he is training to become a covert agent, and wants constant reassurance of the deadliness of his/her endeavors. Solution: Every sifu's best friend: Wants to be your 'best' student, but unfortunately can't deal with training in the group. It's not his fault really, but he's a kick-ass private student at the no contact level. Solution: Mr. Agreeable: Yes, he understands. Yes, the drill makes sense, sure. Sure, keep it slow, watch the contact. (smile, nod) Oh, like that, right. ...Proceeds (as soon as your back is turned) to, in dazed confusion, invent his own damn drill, thank you very much, fast, out of control, and not at all similar to the original. Solution: Ms. I'm-tough-'cuz-I-do-karate: She likes to think she's tough, but anytime someone makes even a little bit of contact, she's going to complain to anyone that will listen. This is to be contrasted with the women who *are* there to train, and say nothing about the multiple bruises they take home every night from the macho-newbie and the macho-old-timer. Solution: Hit her really hard and tell her to stop being such a wuss when she complains. The phrase "It's karate/judo/etc., it's supposed to hurt a little bit" should be used often. Solution: every single time, without exception, pair Ms. Selfdefense with #4, The Whacker. This will necessitate her learning to "whack" back. Ms. Self-Defense: She's read too many Reality Martial Arts (RMA) threads, and truly believes that her intelligence will get her out of any struggle she may encounter. And if her intelligence doesn't work, then her legs will, because after all, women's legs are stronger than men's. Solution: Put her one on one with one of the smaller guys, and tell her to defend herself. 19 times out of 20, she'll find that her legs and her intelligence don't matter too awfully much. Every single time, without exception, pair Ms. I'm-tough-'cuz-I-do-karate with #9, the macho newbie. She will probably eventually get pissed off enough to WANT to let him have it. The glass menagerie: Think that they should be able to learn how to fight without ever falling down, getting bruised or otherwise experiencing physical discomfort. Never fully commits to a technique, holds back and typically ends up being one of the first people to experience an injury. (Usually from not committing to the movement properly.) Solution: Time...they either learn or leave. The natural: Has natural athletic ability which really does help him or her in the learning of MA. Is frequently lazy, however, since it doesn't seem that hard to learn. This person frequently gets bored and ends up leaving without fulfilling their potential. Solution: Find something that challenges them (and make them uke?) Eclectic Man: Has done thirty other arts for one class apiece. Is just killing time until he can create his own martial art and associated web site (whose address he will repeatedly post to RMA). Hopes to be inducted to the "World Martial Arts Hall of Fame" as "Supreme Grandmaster of the Year" before his 23rd birthday. Immediate response to any drill is "In Armenian Tae Kung Kara Aikikenpojujutsu, they do X instead". Thinks you are jealous because his uniform has more patches on it than yours does. Solution: Make him uke. Preferably for "the Whacker" ;-) Satori Man: Has read every single book or article ever written on Zen and martial arts. Owns stock in Shambala. Has never actually done zazen. Quotes koans at every opportunity. Believes Morihei Ueshiba was God. Believes Morihei Ueshiba was a Buddhist. Is fond of expounding about how "X" is not a "real martial art" because it lacks a "spiritual component" Solution: Invite your friend Charlie, who has been teaching "X" for a couple of decades, to the dojo to teach a surprise special seminar...and thereby acquaint Satori Man with his own spiritual component by making him uke. Variant 1 on Satori Man: All this and has never done any MA training. Solution: Make him stop talking and practice. He'll go away. I recall one kid who rebelled at being forced to hold the shinai with a right-handed grip. He'd read Go Rin No Sho and according to him, Musashi didn't do it that way. He lasted 2 classes. Jutsu Man: Flip side of "Satori Man". Believes he is the reincarnation of Miyamoto Musashi, John L. Sullivan, and Attila the Hun. Is dismissive of many "-do" forms because they "aren't practical" have "all that spirituality bullshit", or are "just sports". Believes women "can't fight for shit". Solution: Invite a small, female, godan in Judo to teach him the meaning of the term "kata guruma"...and make him uke. The Ogler: The woman who is so busy oogling at the guys, she's not paying attention to what you're trying to teach her. In my experience, these are always beginners. One possible solution is to pair her up with a guy, ideally one of the guys she's oogling. That way, at least, you can go off and teach someone else or practice with someone who wants to train. Another solution is to throw her quickly and rather than help support the fall, let her weight drop completely. Doesn't leave quite the same bruises as punching, but can be pretty punishing all the same. Of course, *I* would never do this. The Drifter: Comes to class once every couple of months. Is completely clueless about the material currently being studied, but wants to be promoted to the next belt. Solution: Relocate the dojo every once in a while. (Thats what my Sensei does) The Hasbeen: Used to practice five or ten years ago, and has now returned. Thinks he knows just as much as the advanced students that studied with him then and haven't stopped. Tries very hard to prove he is just as good as them by using lots of force while doing the techniques. Solution: Pair him up with one of said students. You've noticed that for three of the "Students" no solution is listed. Please feel free to suggest your solution. (Can't wait for Mr. Stovall's!) Sharon --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 03:33:56 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Milks Subject: [The_Dojang] Ideal age for kids to have black belt To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net IMHO, If you are training these children with your adult curriculum, then award them the adult belt. If you have a separate curriculum for children, then they will most likely be happy achieving whatever equivalent is there. Master Seidel mentioned, "An 18 year old Master is like having an 18 year old professor in college maybe that has mastered some technical skills but could not possibly master the wisdom of age (life)." I enjoy your statement, but realize that most of us, when we test students, really only test them on these "technical skills" not life skills. Thanks to everyone for reading my post. Sincerely, Kevin __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Michael Falba" To: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 05:56:55 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Kukkiwon certification Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Sheree: If you must have certification through a large organization, the AAU (Amature Athletic Union) can offer this to you. Here is their link so you can read more about the AAU and their TKD program. http://aautaekwondo.org/ Good luck and congradulations. Mike Falba - !st Dan - Chayon Ryu New Orleans, LA --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 05:07:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason E. Thomas" Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Poome and Dan again To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sabunim Richards, Thank you so much sir! I would be very interested to understand how a Poom converts to a Dan at 18 (or whatever the appropriate age is). If a student is a 3rd Poom, do they become a 3rd Dan at 18? How are Pooms and Dans treated with respect to one another? Ie... 3rd Dan vs. 3rd Poom. One day I might start a kids program :) (but not soon). Jason Charles Richards wrote: So Master Thomas, there are 4,675 licks to the center of a tootsie pop . Cheers, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Regards, Jason --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 05:16:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] From an article...force on force Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net FORCE-ON-FORCE TRAINING IN HIGH GEAR BALLISTIC MICRO-FIGHT CERTIFICATION. ADVANCED FORCE-ON-FORCE SCENARIO TRAINING USING HIGH GEAR AND THE BLAUER 'REPLICATION' PRINCIPLE. A great group of instructors showed up in Montreal for this 3-day course. Here are some photos and comments from the program. HERE ARE SOME COMMENTS: I just got back from the PDR BMF Certification course with some thoughts I would like to share with everyone. Training with 18 highly motivated PDR Coaches in High Gear was an experience in itself. I have never been involved in such a physically intense course in my life. Just imagine doing force on force training for three straight days in a wide variety of ballistic scenarios. I have been training with Tony Blauer and his Team for many years now, and it never ceases to amaze me, the amount of evolution in his research and drills. My favorite drills throughout the weekend were Range Rover, Mirror Drill, and the Threshold drill. Everything was about dissecting the components of the street fight, and the formulas that lie within creating each scenario, so that your training incorporates credible threats, with credible tactics. The Ballistic Micro Fight formula can be applied to any arena of fighting, whether that be in the ring, the octagon or the street. It truly was a great experience, and I look forward to training with everyone again. Robb Finlayson, PDR Team Edmonton Coach, The BMF was a fantastic learning experience. Learning the proper procedures for putting together a safe and real world applicable BMF was outstanding. The most important realization I had at the session was that the BMF was not about putting on High Gear having a scenario and then beating each other up. But was a safe and scientific procedure for preparing one for the dangers of the street. While I had little bits and pieces this session showed how to really start putting the puzzle together properly. Safety is not just about the street, but the proper training protocol. And that is what the BMF session delivered. How to be prepared for the street and how to do in the most effective and safe way possible. If I had to pick out a favorite drill from the session I really couldn't. But that is because of the "Lego System" and how you start to see how everything is interdependent upon one another. Nothing stands alone or is done just for the sake of doing something else or different. I would say though that just the understanding of whether a drill is static, dynamic or alive was eye opening for a better understanding of the entire BMF process. As well as the "Mirror" Evolutions we did on Saturday. I could go on and be more in depth, but the BMF needs to be experienced and learned personally from Coach to be truthfully understood, appreciated and gain the most benefit. You can't be a PDR coach overnight! Joe Skovira PDR Team Cleveland The Ballistic Micro Fight session in Montreal this past weekend was phenomenal. Working key drills with other PDR coaches allowed me to experience my own strengths and weaknesses. As always, Coach Blauer's research and depth of knowledge in real personal defense showed through in every drill. I agree with Robb, the workouts in High Gear challenged me both mentally and physically. The emphasis was of course on the Ballistic Micro Fight formula. It is the only system I know of that can combine credible attacks with credible tactics, set up _alive_ drills to work your emotional, psychological, and physical arsenal while at the same time keeping the participants safe from injury. If I had to pick just one favorite drill from the weekend it would have to be Designated Hitter where the attacker can throw a haymaker or tackle. Imagine having three attackers (in High Gear) walking towards you, trash talking, and anyone of them can throw a haymaker at you or tackle you at any moment. This drill definitely creates anxiety, fear and adrenalin. If the formula is followed, it can be done safely at real speed. I have always had faith in Coach Blauer's system, but this weekend strengthened my personal confidence in the system and its tactics. Thank you Coach for your hard work and coaching thanks team for your energy and synergy. With Safety In Mind, Rob Gebhart, PDR Team Washington State Coach Blauer is always mind blowing and the system is what it is, but what really made it special to me was that it was the first time I had been to a session exclusively with current PDR team members. As I look back on it, what stands out for me is how Coach and the system has profoundly and positively affected all of us "the same way differently". If we as PDR coaches continue to work diligently to acquire principles and then systems level proficiency...can you say ripple effect! My thanks to Coach, Sean & the TEAM Hope to see everyone again soon. Tom Arcuri PDR Coach New York --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 05:20:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] From an article....How to pick a martial art Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Tony, Thanks for the personal response. I’m trying to touch base with one of your certified instructors this weekend. Joe Skovira was introduced to me via e-mail by a co-worker and I hope to learn a great deal more about your system through him. As a family man I am interested in pursuing a system that is more practical than the martial arts training I have had. Recently I’ve been involved in the ATA/Karate for Kids program, mainly for my five-year-old son, but also to accomplish the goal of obtaining a Black Belt, which I wasn’t able to do while in college 20 years ago. I was looking into something more practical for some time now and found Krav Maga. Your thoughts? Once again, thanks for the personal attention. I am definitely looking forward to experiencing the BTS and am excited about potentially finding a system that will increase my odds on the street, especially for my family and friends. Joe ============================================= Hi Joe Mr. Skovira is an excellent teacher and you'll definitely start an appreciation for our research if your real focus is confidence, safety and effectiveness. Just remember a belt, any belt is just a goal...no different than 'saving up' to buy something; the goal is as meaningful as the value you attach to it. In the martial arts world the goal of coveted back belt has always held a fascination as there was an unwritten assumption that BB = great self-defense ability. For some reason that fascination and myth has held true for all these years. But self-defense and martial arts are no longer the same (they were perhaps centuries ago when the training was used in daily life.) If I say KM is not as good as mine, then I'm the narrow-minded salesman. If I say its better (but I don't teach it) I'm a charlatan) :-) You've asked, in part, the most asked martial arts question. What's the best style? KM is a very good system (as is ju jitsu, TKD, Judo, thai boxing, etc). But they are 'active combat systems' (ACS) built around reactions to attacks and countering them using their 'system'. Which simply means 'ACS' are based on complex motor skills learned through muscle memory repetition. Ours is not learned or taught this way. The PDR program bases its defense choices on the SPEAR System research, where we integrate physiological reactions based on how stress & fear act as mitigating factors in determining how & what you will do next in a confrontation. That's a mouthful, but once you learn more about the SPEAR System, its pretty obvious and more importantly reliable. This isn’t a put-down of KM or any martial art that includes sparring and contact, and KM, as far as martial arts goes it is one of the better when it comes to potential defense attributes, but you need to decide what's right for you. (I wouldn't want someone who hasn't really studied the SPEAR System contrasting it with another.) You can't compare, if you haven't done both. So it's unprofessional for me to delve into the real differences...as a martial athlete I can note the differences readily, but its still up to you, the 'discerning' consumer. You must ask the right questions, then blend what we refer to as the THREE I's (Instincts, Intuition & Intelligence) and then make a decision based on what you really want (a goal like a belt, skill, ability {they're different} etc.). In short, a self-defense instructor with integrity must teach the system that is most effective for the students they are responsible for. It must blend simplicity (ease and effectiveness) with non-perishability (is it hard-wired? do you need to work it for years before it is useful? will it be available to you under stress?). Lastly, as a self-defense instructor, if I thought 'other' systems were more comprehensive, more 'sound' than the SPEAR SYSTEM I would need to teach these other methods. :-) I hope that made sense. In short, I teach what I believe in. But my belief isn't based on legend nor is it based on choreography, muscle-memory or sportive sequential drilling. The truth is that our system is built on research. Specifically, genetics, behavior, physiology. Then a scientific approach to organizing these body/mind systems has been applied to create drills into skills. If I can make a recommendation, before you invest in a 'path' invest in some product. Product is cheaper than your time & energy. This way you have some data or perspective. And if you seek self-defense reality, don't watch the instructor, watch the role-payer. Are they missing, static, stylized or do they replicate the realistic threat? That's the secret to separating fact & fantasy. Anyhow, product can create a foundation with which you can judge your choices & direction. Order a KM video, get our RAPE-SAFE video (don't t let the name dissuade you, its a blend of our most effective principles) and get our Audio trilogy on fear, awareness and mind-set, for in a real confrontation, the mind navigates the body. Review the material and apply the THREE I's.... your internal barometer will select the vehicle that best suits you (at that time, i.e. goals will change) that way whatever you invest in, at the time, you'll do so with open eyes and you wont experience 'buyer's remorse or be let down :-) Hope this helped. Enjoy the session with PDR Coach Joe Skovira. Tony --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:10:35 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF Kicking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wading In, FWIW, Walace's book shows the knee up (pre-front kick) universal chamber as wrong. As he explains it if you kick like Superfoot you start from a "side stance" and use one chamber for three kicks. Side kick for linear, Hook kick for circle from one side and Roundhouse for circle from the other side. He goes on to explain that with good use of check motions and integrated hands, no other kicks are needed for sparring (point or kickboxing). I'm realizing he wrote that book in the 1980's so anybody been to a Superfoot seminar since then? Is he using any WTF style kicks? As I recall the hands are up near the ears and the knee is chambered high so that the knee/thigh sheilds the torso from linear counter attacks. I teach my flexible hips in the hook/round direction fighters to mimic Walace style and stance. I teach folks who's hip are more flexible in the front/axe direction like me to use the JKD/WTF sparring stance and the WTF knee up chamber for all kicks. Last thing, my Tang Soo Do instructors explained that this universal knee up chamber was how Blackbelts should start kicking, and use in all sparring . Just my ten cents my two cents is free MC __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:42:44 -0500 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Chambering the kick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray writes: > However many of HKD's kicks > could not (easily?) be done this way, at least not that I can see...??? Hello Ray: I agree, and that is why I said we do a number (not all) kicks that way. IMHO, low ground kicks by their very nature can't be chambered with the knee up, as the kinetic energy of the knee going up would oppose the rest of the body going down. FWIW, we point the knee at the target with the various round kicks we have in KSB, as the knee (being a hinge type joint) can only extend safely that way. I have seen many practitioners ruin their hip and knee joints as they try to get height in the roundhouse type kicks without having an anatomically suitable motion. They can't seem to get it trough their heads that, when the knee is pointed down, this position would dictate that the lower leg goes down as well when extended. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Manuel Maldonado" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:50:47 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:Kukkiwon Certification Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From what I understand as long as one is a 4th Dan or higher they (The Masters) can apply to Kukkiwon themselves without having to go through the USTU. If he is a Kukkiwon Master Instructor he can send it in himself. Manuel Maldonado ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Limited-time offer: Fast, reliable MSN 9 Dial-up Internet access FREE for 2 months! --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:34:31 -0500 From: Brian Beach To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kicks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 09:06 PM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > On the kick and knee chamber thread... how does JinPalHapkido chamber > their kicks? I haven't been following this thread too closely. But the primary concern is not the knee but the hip. For a round house, hip points at the target then knee then foot. The difference I've seen with TKD guys that come through our dojang is the hip stays behind so your butt sticks out. The planted foot doesn't pivot fully. Fast but lacks power. The knee forward is only used in a few offensive kicks (front, turning kick and a reverse roundhouse - my terminology.) We don't use a lot of concrete terminology when it comes to advanced kicks its more "do this" The turning kick is if you step out to the right you look like you are throwing a front kick (left leg) but you turn your foot over so your instep is facing skyward and strike with the ball of the foot. The reverse roundhouse - like it sounds instead of a wide arc you lift your knee like a front kick and follow through like a roundhouse in the reverse direction. Side kick and hook are chambered the same way, knee across the body, because as with all kicks the hip is leading. But unchambers heel,knee,hip. Hope thats what you are looking for. You can always check out the gallery at www.jinpalhapkido.com Brian --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest