Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 03:01:50 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #165 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Stuff and all that (Master Allen) 2. Hapkido kicking (Todd Miller) 3. Fourth Dan BB at 14! (Marc Jones) 4. Re: HKD/TKD (ABurrese@aol.com) 5. Re: Hapkido kicking (Ray Terry) 6. RE: Hapkido kicking (Thomas Gordon) 7. SF training and Martial Arts (J.R. West) 8. common student types (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Master Allen" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Stuff and all that Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:52:07 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Absolutely JRW, I with you all the way on that. My wife enjoys giving a little wall to wall counseling herself. Ego will ruin a man. As far as belts, No one wears a black belt until 16 years old. That is the way it is in Korea, it is a Korean art. Following Suit! ^_^ Grandmaster Jang Young-Shil (student of Choi Young-Sool and friend of Han Bong-Soo) will be at our US HQ on April 19 ~23. If anyone is interested in meeting him or attending the seminar, drop us a line via the websites. Master Jeff Allen Chief Instructor President-American Headquarters www.hapkiyoosool.com www.intlhapkido.com International Hapkido Federation ----- Original Message ----- From: J.R. West To: Dojang Digest Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 4:05 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Stuff and all that Sharon: Thanx for the look into the running of a dojang.....I once heard someone say that any crazy person that did NOT come into a martial arts school was either dead or in jail. I would, however, like to add one other goober to your group. I've got a plan-man: This guy has walked through the technique your teaching about twice when he figures out a way to counter it and when you look over towards him, he and his poor partner are off headed for left field with their counter-training. The way I have handled this is to say, "OK, let's test your theory" and then do a totally different technique and just beat him into the floor....Even the slowest brain-dead fool will figure out that any technique can be countered if you know what's coming. Someone once said that "everyone has a plan......... until they get hit"...Amen! My answer to all the other ones was to let Renee have a minute or two with them....generally that was enough to either break them of their nonsensical behavior or run them off after a few quick, painful trips to the mat. Either one was OK with me.....The first time Dexter Mangum walked into my school, she used him in white belt class to show what the normal response was to feeling a Hapkido technique for the first time (those of you that know him, know that Dex is an absolute "MONSTER in a dobok"). He came back, but three of his friends did NOT...he is approaching 5th dan as we speak. As far as poom belts are concerned...The way I do it, is all poom belts, regardless of level are outranked by the lowest ranking adult blackbelt....Third pooms (4 years as a poom) may petition me in writing to be advanced at 16 to adult 2nd dan.....in 37 years of teaching, 3 have made it. All poom ranks expire at their 16th birthday. I have one student that earned her poom belt at about 12 or 13....took a break till she was 18, started over and worked all the way back to adult blackbelt. She is featured on a clip on our website under the title of "That guy who cried"........ PS: I will be in MD on the 17th of April...if anyone would like to come and visit, let me know and I'll put you in touch with my host..... J. R. West www.hapkido.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Todd Miller" To: Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:45:57 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido kicking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Hapkido taught by Doju Nim Choi, Yong Sool has many kicks. They are all low section or below the belt. The idea is that it is too dangerous to do high kicks when in a combat situation. I come from a Taekwondo back ground and agree that high kicking looks great but is not practical out on the street. Many of Doju Nim Choi's kicking techniques are combined with blocking, striking or locking techniques. These kicking techniqes are very simple and effective. I am wondering what GM Ji's kicking philosophy is? Does he still do high kicks? I have herd there are 25 basic kicks? Could someone list these kicks? Just currious. Take care Todd Miller Korea Jungki Hapkido & Guhapdo Association www.millersmudo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:51:14 -0800 From: "Marc Jones" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Fourth Dan BB at 14! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have heard many arguments over the years about junior Dan Grades and minimum age requirements for certain grades. I have seen a 4th Dan TKD (ITF) at the age of 14! and a Girl no less!! Granted her Father is a TKD master.. As I recall, she started @ 5yrs, 1st Dan @ 8yrs, 2nd @ 9yrs, 3rd @ 11yrs & 4th @ 14yrs old.. I must admit she performed one of the best Moon-moo & Juche I have seen.. Her grade does not make her a coach, instructor, umpire or examiner, just allowed her to continue to learn the TKD syllabus at which she worked very hard and showed amazing ability. This was about 1995/96 so I would imagine she is a 5th Dan by now.. at 22/23 I am not saying if this is right or wrong, just thought I would share.. Regards Marc --__--__-- Message: 4 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 21:12:18 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: HKD/TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Regarding the recent mention of HKD being an add on at TKD schools. Please read this short piece that I wrote over a year ago for the DD when this same thing was mentioned. http://www.burrese.com/Articles/Hapkido_self_defense_martial_arts/Hapkido_Is_A _Complete_Art.html In addition, the HKD schools I trained at in Korea also kihaped. So it varies from school to school, or organization as to the amount of kihaps done. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido kicking To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:42:57 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I am wondering what GM Ji's kicking philosophy is? Does he still do high > kicks? Yes. High and low. Gounded as well as jumping/leaping. > I have herd there are 25 basic kicks? Could someone list these kicks? Difficult, for me anyway, to describe in text... but here goes. 1. low shin kick to opponent's lead-leg shin 2. mid-level blade kick to opponent's inner thigh 3. heel hook kick to outside of o's mid-thigh 4. side kick to the knee - done with a high knee chamber, kick down 5. inside crescent - high 6. outside crescent - high 7. roundhouse - to neck or muay thai style roundhouse to knee or thigh 8. high heel straight kick - hits under their chin 9. axe kick - defensive against mid-level kick 10. thrusting heel kick to the chest 11. grand circular blade kick - to the shin of several opponents 12. kick block with blade of the foot - downward kick to block a kick 13. slicing upward kick - slicing up the opponent's body 14. straight thrusting high kick to the head and chest 15. toes cutting - outside low-cutting crescent to the shin 16. high side kick - straight rasing side kick, hand down on mat for support 17. back kick to head or chest, both hands on the ground for support 18. reverse circular (spin) toes cutting kick to shin of opponent in the rear the rest are short range kicks 19. hand assisted knee strike to head or chest 20. knee thrust to chest 21. knee side kick, slice down with your shin 22. inside-outside twisting kick to shin 23. lateral (side-by-side) roundhouse 24. rising blade/heel block beneath a side kick 25. passing high heel hook kick to back of opponent's head If any SinMoo folks have a better list of descriptions please post it. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hapkido kicking Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:07:46 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello fellow DDers, Hapkido kicks have been real interesting to me. If I understood correctly, "Taoist Lee" is the one who is credited for teaching Grandmaster Han and Grandmaster Han Jae Ji the Tae Kyon style kicking, so staff/stick work, and meditation. In regards to a side kick, page 112-113 of the 1974 edition of Hapkido by Grandmaster Bong Soo Han, shows the way I was taught to chamber a back leg side kick (we call a #2 side kick) as a Taekwondo practitioner. The only difference is that we didn't hit with the knife foot but rather the heel (toes angled slightly down) making a straight line from heel to hip to spine. As with most techniques, I'm sure there are many "correct" ways to do a side kick. >From the book: (1) Begin by assuming the basic fighting position. (2) Lean straight up on your front leg and raise your rear leg by bending the knee. (3) As your rear knee becomes level with your waist, immediately pivot your anchor foot 180 degrees to the outside and allow your hips to turn with this move. (4) Lean your upper body backward with your shoulders held perpendicular to the ground while you simultaneously kick your lifted leg out sideways and strike the target with a knife foot. Pictures at: http://www.gordonmartialarts.com/temp/Sidekick1.jpg http://www.gordonmartialarts.com/temp/Sidekick2.jpg I'll take that down in a few days after everyone had a chance to review it. Best regards, Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "J.R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 23:01:12 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] SF training and Martial Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read: Anyone that is studying Martial Arts just for the technical side could fare far better joining Special Forces, Navy Seals or Ranger school. In my opinion teaching Martial Arts without the philosophy is a shame and a crime. I said: Actually, the SF guys being great Martial artist or fighters is a bit of a myth.....They are very well trained, disciplined, in great physical condition, and their planning for any op is second to none, but if they get into a "hand to hand" situation, somebody is going to lose their job, because something has gone awfully wrong. Trust me. On the proliferation of ex SF/SEALs, it seems like no-one that has been in the military and out for a while, especially during the Vietnam years, was just a plain old ordinary grunt. I had the extreme misfortune of catching the end of "Rambo, 1st blood" , which I had never watched before due to my disdain for the representation of Vietnam vets, while eating at a restaurant with a TV this past week, and I listened to a small group of morons discussing how their own experiences paralleled what they saw in the movie, especially identifying all the neat stuff on the uniform of the Colonel......I found it odd that not a single one of them noticed that said Col.s 5th GP beret device was that of an enlisted man...........help me! J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 00:56:03 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] common student types Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mike writes: < Mr. Special Forces, He is 25-50 years old , over weight and has been all over the world and killed everything from mice to men. He cannot train his children to fight because he only knows how to kill, so he brings them to you for training and sits in the corner and comments on how they did it in the service. You ever encounter any of these? >> FYI, the original author of the piece is unknown. I'm glad some of the instructors got a laugh out of it, and thanks to those who contributed their solutions and added characters to the list. Mike: Yes, I have one now. Dad was supposedly in some branch of special forces -- to tell you the truth I'm never really listening (though I appear to be) when he starts in with the "When I was in...." He is the father of two young girls who I suspect are deficient in gray matter from his side. Mom seems to be the custodial parent so I don't see him very often. His comments have a recurring theme -- discipline is the thing. Too bad he doesn't apply it to himself as he is usually so loaded I'm surprised he makes it to a chair to sit down without falling. Sharon --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest