Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 03:01:49 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #170 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Tournament Posting: 3rd International Friendship Taekwondo Championships (Lori L Brown) 2. RE: Master Marks comments (Mark Seidel) 3. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Hapkido_as_Commitment_?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 4. Re: ITF Grandmasters (was North vs. South) (Christopher Spiller) 5. Matt Furey Workout (Jesse Segovia) 6. (no subject) (Linda McPharlin) 7. working out (Rudy Timmerman) 8. re:sword form/dance (Terry Potter) 9. RE: Hits Like a Girl (Kip McCormick) 10. Grandmaster Jang Young-Shil coming From Korea (Master Allen) 11. Re: differences between old kwans... (Ray Terry) 12. Gm Ji's Kicking (Ray Terry) 13. Re: RE: Learning to fight (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Lori L Brown" To: Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 20:41:36 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Tournament Posting: 3rd International Friendship Taekwondo Championships Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Please enjoy our website: http://www.portlandtaekwondo.com/2004.htm If anyone will be in Portland, Oregon on June 18-20, 2004, please come join us in sport or as a spectator. Our "City of Roses" is most beautiful in June! Lori Brown Organizing Committee Portland, Oregon, USA --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Mark Seidel" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Master Marks comments Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 07:48:17 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am not hung up over my title just wondering if it was someone I know from my past. Mark Master Mark Seidel The Midtown Academy Martial Arts School Special Needs and Exceptional Child Specialist -----Original Message----- From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 12:32 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Marks comments > Do I know you or do you know me your subject line "Master Marks comments", > rather than Master Seidel (which strangers tend to call me) most people I > know call me Master Mark. Mark, We tend to not get too hung up over titles here. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 07:23:07 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Hapkido_as_Commitment_?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear George and Jere: "..... I have always likened this to accepting and recieving knighthood after a sort and tell the new Dans that they are now responsible for far more than just basics and advanced techniques, that a martial artist should always try to touch the community and impact things in positive ways, whether its helping cut the grass for an elderly neighbor, or finding the time to somehow help provide for that disadvantaged child that everyone knows. Even thoiugh it seems that my words most time fall on deaf ears, I think a few times a student has picked up the torch, and carried into the world the true message of just what a martial arts student is, a caring, hard working individual who will go the distance to help others to have and so try to prevent strife through a feeling of community. ................................... When I first moved to Fargo last month, a local taekwondo 4th dan, told me that she was a 1st dan in hapkido after taking a one weekend seminar. She was proud of this. She also claims that she is a 5th dan in the KMA because of the 2 arts. Another fellow claims he is a 14th dan in the KMA because he holds a tkd (Kukkiwon) 6th dan, gumdo 4th dan, hkd 4th dan, yet only has a taekwondo dojang. Still haven't figured that one out either. The type of attitude that hapkido is not an art but a supplement to taekwondo is a fad, one that I hope goes away soon. But as long as there are hapkido organizations that skip dan rank, or let people play the paper game, without putting quality time in hapkido training, the pretenders are going to be around.........." I was so struck by the irony of your respective contributions, back to back, that I could not help but comment. What could be more telling. The ideal immediately followed by the reality. People often comment why I thumder so stridently for tradition, but these two citations probably speak volumes to the very issue I see most. And if I may be allowed, I would add that the real consequences of the disparities between your two posts is not really in the immediate sense, as I see it. Rather, the real damage is long-term. If the general attitude towards the Hapkido arts is towards recreation, image and competition, what prognosis can we have for 20 years down the road? We know what our arts are suppose to be doing. George said it very well. But do you think that the arts will last with some integrity when it is quite plain that Jeres' experience is far more common? In fact I could have included Anthony (Boyd)'s contribution (on sword art incorporated into MThand practice) as well. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 05:37:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: ITF Grandmasters (was North vs. South) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dave Steffen wrote: >>> In other words: AFAIK, all three GMs are with the >>> ITF, in one form or another. Is this not the case? >> I don't think so. I get the impression the GM >> Hwang is planning a different path, GM Sereff >> has officially resigned the USTF and himself, and >> there is talk of GM Rhee retiring before to long. > Thanks for the clarification. I agree it's likely > that GM Hwang is making his own plans. FWIW, there's a notice on the NK-ITF website that GM Hwang was EXPELLED from that organization. This was posted after GM Hwang posted a couple of letters on the KATU web site to the effect that Chang Ung was basically receiving bribes from Kim Un Yong. It will be interesting to see what happens in the future with GM Hwang and GM Rhee (I've also heard some people say that GM Rhee will be retiring/resigning from the ITF but nothing so far on the UKTA or RITA websites to that effect, and I don't live in the UK, so...). I guess GM's Hwang and Rhee both go independent, form their own organization together or end up in one of the other ITF's. IMHO, the third option would be the best. I'd love to see more unity and less splitting in the ITF. Taekwon, Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 09:29:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Jesse Segovia To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Matt Furey Workout Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm interested in trying out the Matt Furey workout. Is it as simple as Tibetan pushups, Tibetan squats and then neck bridges? Do I need to buy the book to build a daily routine that works for me or is it something you can easily pick up from someone who's already doing it? Thanks. Jesse --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Linda McPharlin" To: Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:17:54 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Nice statement Mr. Jones...."and a Girl no less!!" Had to reread it to make sure my eyes weren't playing tricks on me. I have not been involved in this list long enough to know if you are kidding, but if not, that's a pretty backwards attitude. Regards, Linda McPharlin --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:45:54 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] working out Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Randall writes: > Well, I've lost 15 pounds over the last two months doing solo training. Great stuff Randall. BTW, your back manipulation brought me home without too much discomfort. Thanks a million, because that could have been one heck of a ride back without your help. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Terry Potter" To: Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:39:39 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] re:sword form/dance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From what I have been told in our Kuk Sool class, Gum Mu Hyung was originally done by the female members of the Royal Guard, and that the pattern was originally done with throwing knives, not swords. This explains why most of the stances are so narrow in this pattern, and also explains several of the upper body motions (ie throwing the knives). Over time, the actual use of the knives disappeared, and kicks were introduced. T. Potter --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Kip McCormick" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hits Like a Girl Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:52:39 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I had Master Renee West do a ki strike on me about 4 years ago, which basically caused my "innards" to experience rent control -- you know, where the kidneys end up on another side of the tracks and your colon gets turned bass ackwards... Makes me wish I hit like a girl!!!! Kip Kip McCormick "Warrior Hapkido" USKMAF Seoul, Korea >From: "Linda McPharlin" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) >Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 23:17:54 -0600 > ><Granted her Father is a TKD master..>> > >Nice statement Mr. Jones...."and a Girl no less!!" Had to reread it to >make >sure my eyes weren't playing tricks on me. I have not been involved in >this >list long enough to know if you are kidding, but if not, that's a pretty >backwards attitude. > >Regards, > >Linda McPharlin >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar – FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Master Allen" To: Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:39:13 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Grandmaster Jang Young-Shil coming From Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net All are invited to Grandmaster Jang Young-Shil (9 Dan) and a student of Choi Young-Sool coming from Korea to America for his second on April 19~23. If you are interested go to www.Hapkiyoosool.com and click in the link for April Seminar. Master Jeff Allen Chief Instructor President-American Headquarters www.hapkiyoosool.com www.intlhapkido.com International Hapkido Federation --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] differences between old kwans... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > "Most kwans seemed to focus one signature technique/kick and was their > > primary > > sparring technique. Thus you could frequently tell what kwan someone was > > from based on their favorite/best technique." > > > > Does anybody know what the signature techniques for the different kwans > > are/were? > > Chung Do Kwan - at least those I was associated with in the early 60's, was > the side kick. It was a side thrust kick not to be mistaken with the > Shotokan version that was a side snap kick. In Chung Do Kwan back then we > never would use the side snap kick. > > If I remember correctly one of my Korean instructors told me Tang Soo Do Moo > Duk Kwan's kick was the Round house. And I "think" Chido Kwan was a front > kick. But I am open to correction on these two kwan's kicks. I have also heard that the MDK's signature technique was the flying side kick, but I believe that to be incorrect. It seems it was roundhouse. Assuming Chido Kwan is JiDo Kwan??, yep it was apparently a front kick. The old kwan dojangs were mostly rather run down with several/most only having dirt floors. In some cases support pillars were right in the middle of the dojang training floor. Thus I have also heard that this sometimes played a role in determining what could and could not be focused on during training. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Gm Ji's Kicking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Ray gave an adequate list on Sin Moo Kicking. If you want to see the EXACT > visual representation of this list just look at the Basic kick section in > Dr. Kim's first Hapkido Bible book and you will have them in their exact > corresponding sequence. The pics from Dr. Kimm's book are far easier to follow than my text description. One minor error I note is on kick #7. It is shown in the high kick version (roundhouse to the neck), but the kicker's hand is not down on the ground for support. There was a site on the web that had the basic 25 in video format. It may still be around. Some of the kicks were incorrect, but it was pretty close. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Learning to fight To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > A few years ago the Ranger Regiment realized our Army hand to hand skills > were lacking and they put together a hand to hand program that was akin to > jujitsu. It may not be the best style for combat, but it's a lot better > than what we had. They noticed a deficiency and, like good rangers, led > the way in getting it to be an Army wide program. You can't turn an > aircraft carrier on a dime and you can't get combatives as part of the > culture overnight. It simply takes time. I will tell you that I'm seeing a > huge upsurge in hand to hand training in the past couple of years. Like > most of the stuff I put on the DD, this is just a casual observation -- I > haven't reviewed the multitude of training schedules, etc -- no science > involved, just observations. The leaders I'm around want nothing more than > to prepare their soldiers for combat and are working their butts off to > ensure that soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines are combat ready. I have > commanders contacting me to come teach their soldiers --even after duty > hours -- so they can accomplish their mission. And the soldiers eat it up. Small world story coming up... A friend was apparently stationed up near the DMZ as a Ranger in, I'm assuming, the 1970s. While stationed there he being taught "combat hand-to-hand". They would normally train under some Korean instructors, but every so often the "Top Guy" would come around to check on things. Years later, after being medically retired, he returned to California and would attend church with his wife. They would frequently sit next to a "nice old Korean gentleman" during the service. My friend's wife is Korean, so she would chat with the Korean gentleman. Well, long story long... it turns out that the nice old Korean gentleman that they had been sitting next to was this Top Guy mentioned above. The combat hand-to-hand that they had been taught was Hapkido and the Top Guy was Gm JI Han-jae. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest