Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 03:01:50 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #179 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Re: IHF (masterm1) 2. Kumdo school? (Yuribeast@aol.com) 3. Doju Ji's Training methods (Chosondo@aol.com) 4. 20th International HapKiDo Seminar DVD (Wayne Watkins) 5. Gm Ji in Chico, California (Ray Terry) 6. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Lineage_stuff?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 7. KEEPING MOTIVATED IN MA (Richard Tomlinson) 8. taking up DRAJJ (J R Hilland) 9. WOMEN IN MA (Richard Tomlinson) 10. Re: Which IHF ? (Jesse Segovia) 11. Re: IHF (Jesse Segovia) 12. From an email.... (Jye nigma) 13. Re: (no subject) (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "masterm1" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: IHF Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:57:09 -0300 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello I was stationed at Osan AB Korea Between 1998 and 2000. I had the honor to meet the talented and humble GM Jang Young Shil. He taught Hapkido at the base gym and had school in downtown Pyongtaek city. I visited both schools many times and spoke to him about my previous training and my desire to teach both Taekwondo and Hapkido when I returned to the U.S. and that I wanted to receive internationally recognized Hapkido certification. He allowed me to demonstrate what I had learned and I watched many of his blackbelt students during his class. His technique was exceptional and very fluid, his students were good but it was so different from what I had learned that we both agreed after his honest critique of me it would be to much of an effort to transition into his style. Viewing his technique was almost like watching a Steven Seagal movie with a little extra. He explained his heritage to me, he said his first thru third Dan training came directly from GM Yong Sul Choi and after that his rank came from GM Myung Jae Nam of the IHF who was his master. At his downtown school I saw his certificates he had an 8th Dan hanging in his office it was a IHF certificate signed by GM Nam. He said he did not like the new Hankido dance and Hankumdo style, he was choked up as he spoke about leaving his GM's organization when he was sick but he did not like what the federation had evolved into and that he had lost the battle over maintaining the traditional system. Some of his senior blackbelts who were GI,s were concerned about the new style certs they received but he said he would do what ever it took to gain governmental recognition for his new organization. One reason for this is that without this recognition he could not maintain a position as an instructor on base and would lose access to all the GIs assigned to the base. Kennith Martin 5th Dan World Taekwondo Chung Do Kwan 3rd Dan Korea Hapkido Federation ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Terry" To: Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: IHF > > In Korea, the lineages are listed like this. Let's say I directly taught "tom" > > and "peter". Peter started before tom and received his teaching certificate > > before tom did. Tom would be listed as Peter's student even though Tom studied > > directly under me. It is how it goes. > > > > Look at the WHOLE name. Is is Jang, Young-Shil?? > > Not sure if that is true or not... But the question is was your Master Jang > a student under the IHF's Master Myung Jae-nam? > > Thanks. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Yuribeast@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 01:31:12 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kumdo school? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi: Can anyone refer me to a Kumdo school anywhere in Northern California? thanks, Barry --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Chosondo@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:38:34 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Doju Ji's Training methods Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes Kevin, I know what you mean about Doju Ji. Me and a group of my Dan holders spend at least four hours on the mat with him once per month. We have been doing so for well over a couple of years now. I am continually amazed at his ability to still pull off some difficult skills. Anyone on DD is welcome to attend these training sessions. Feel free to contact me if you are interested. Ian A. Cyrus, ICF www.chosondo.com In a message dated 4/10/2004 6:48:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > I would share my first experience with Dojunim Ji a couple of weekends > ago at the HapKiDo Master/Instructor 3 day seminar in Seattle, WA. > > It was great. Non stop from start to finish. > Friday - Techniques for 8 hours. (Yes my wrists/arms were sore, bruised, > scratched, cut and inflamed). > Saturday - Kicking for 6 hours and knife defense for 2 hours. > (Techniques didn't seem so bad). > Sunday - 6 hours of Weapons= Handkerchief, Staff, Sword, Dahn Bong. (no > one died). > We wrapped up the day with revival techniques. (used on those who > passed out during the kicking). > > Of course we had an hour of Ki training each morning. He focused mainly > on power Ki training which I found quite interesting. > I was able to meet some very talented HKD people who did not mind > hitting the mat over and over and over.... > > Dojunim used me a few times so I got to experience him firsthand. He > even did his forward roll trapping the heel and kicking to the face. > (This surprised me considering he is 63 years old and had gall bladder > surgery a week earlier). > One partner got whacked a good one and Dojunim was genuinely concerned > about it. > Even though he gets in your face and pushes you hard, he is nice about > it in the end. > > I found that his selection of kicks that he teaches are different from > ones I have been used to. He focused on using the supporting hand on > the floor (like many of you have mentioned) when doing a spin kick, > round house, or side kick. His purpose for this was to remove the > stress created in the lower back area. He commented that many TKD > kickers have back problems due to this. > > > It was also great to see a Korean Grandmaster holding targets for you, > staying on the mat with you, and being interested in your full > understanding of what he is trying to teach. > > All in all....I would do it again and recommend this type of seminar to > all MA. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Wayne Watkins" To: "Wayne Watkins" Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:41:05 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] 20th International HapKiDo Seminar DVD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The anxiously awaited DVD of Master J. R. West's 20th International HapKiDo, that took place in Jackson, Mississippi is ready. The DVD includes almost 30 minutes of the Master's Demonstration that was done at the first of the seminar and 45 minutes of video showing the techniques taught during all the training sessions. These training sessions were taught by: Master J. R. West 8th Dan, Jackson Mississippi Master Rudy Timmerman, 8th Dan, Ontario, Canada Master Holcombe Thomas, 7th Dan, Arlington VA Master Rich Hodder, 8th Dan, Seabrook, TX Master Geoff Booth, 7th Dan, Sydney, Australia Master Hal Whalen, 7th Dan, Boston, MA Master Dennis McHenry, 6th Dan, Houston, TX Master Ray Terry, 5th Dan, Campbell, CA Master Jere Hilland, 5th Dan, Bright, IN Master Perry Lyons, 5th Dan, Littlestown, PA Master Don Kirsch, 5th Dan, Austin, TX Master Joe Borucki, 5th Dan, Hampstead, MD Master Instructor Dexter Mangum, 4th Dan, Jackson, MS Master Instructor Mark Propst, 4th Dan, Jackson, MS Master Instructor John Lindsly, 4th Dan, Jackson, MS To get one of these great videos send $25.00 (check or money order), this includes shipping and handeling, to the following address: Wayne Watkins 206 Waverly Place Ridgeland, MS 39157 Please include your shipping address clearly printed. I am sorry that I can not do credit cards for these. Well I guess I could but you would have to mail me the credit card :). Please allow a week or two for delivery I am new at this mail order stuff and will do my best. Thanks, Wayne Watkins --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 07:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Gm Ji in Chico, California Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gm Ji will be holding a three day seminar next weekend in Chico, California at Farshad Azad's dojang. Check for Farshad's email addr at azadsmartialarts.com and send a request there for details. I will also send out more info as I receive it. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:49:06 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Lineage_stuff?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: ".....> In Korea, the lineages are listed like this. Let's say I directly taught "tom" > and "peter". Peter started before tom and received his teaching certificate > before tom did. Tom would be listed as Peter's student even though Tom studied > directly under me. It is how it goes. > > Look at the WHOLE name. Is is Jang, Young-Shil?? Not sure if that is true or not... But the question is was your Master Jang a student under the IHF's Master Myung Jae-nam?....." This also begs the question of moving in the opposite direction as well. If I am a student of GM Myung and Myung was taught by Ji, I can claim direct authority under Ji as well, right? And if THAT is true why stop there? Couldn't I go back to Choi? What about Takeda? With the recent unpleasantness driven by crooked logic and half-truthes, it seems that it would not take much for some entrepeneur to represent themselves as "teaching under the authority of Yong Sul Choi" in order to promote their enterprise. Can you see where this is going? I'm not sure if this needs to be a question of Reason or Honesty, but I have come to believe that it is NOT a question of culture even if it MAY be done in Korea. Thoughts? Comments? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:14:04 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] KEEPING MOTIVATED IN MA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What keeps a student motivated to train in their martial art..... the desire to learn, the new goals that come with learning and the pure love of the martial art we do. You either love it or if you dont one will not last. Personaly, as I get better the better I want to be. At this point the mind body spiritual connection is growing and I cant wait to see whats next on this journey! Plus teaching... teaching is the most rewarding thing I've ever done. As a student train your best, always try your best and you wont fail. Listen to your instructors and higher ranks and never be afraid to ask questions. I also say to any student who gets frustrated, "Look at where you were a few belts back and how much youve learned since then, it is always good to know where you have been to help you see where you are going." (I heard this quote several years ago and think of it often!) And most of all, NEVER GIVE UP! sandy --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 10:20:51 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] taking up DRAJJ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In the 80's, I studied daitoryu for several years from a professor in French literature. He studied while in Europe growing up and when he came to the US, he could not find a school near any of the universities he taught at, or just about anywhere in the US for that matter. At that time, aikido schools were starting to pop up in every city. He was not interested in starting a school, he enjoyed teaching at any club or school that would let him. Last time I heard from him in the early 90's, he was thinking about just giving up and starting over in aikido. Jere R. Hilland www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com <<>> --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:49:35 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] WOMEN IN MA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ive been training for over 5 years in TKD. I started as a 40th birthday present to myself. I had good role models, some of the higher ranked women were some of the best students in school. Their talents differed which was also inspiring for me. I am not a tough person, never will be, it's just not in me. Sparring, well being non confrontational to begin with, sparring is a big challenge for me. I can hold my own, and I treat it as practice for drills, meaning I dont plan on competing especially since people competing are in the 16 to 25 age range in woman's competitions that I've seen. I focus more on perfecting techniques in forms, breaking, kicking ect... and try to come up with as many sparring drills for my students to give them aerobic abilities and good sparring strategy techniques. That 18 year old may be able to kick my butt but techniques I teach her help her to do well in competitions. As far as practical self defence, I try to encourage partners to be as real as possible, alot of women students are shy since we girls have always been taught that nice girls never fight and need guys to defend them. In self defence there is no being nice, its saving your life. As far as respect, Ive earned my place through dedication, training and have the honor of being the only other person besides my head instructor to teach the traditional TKD classes. Its not about being better than anyone else, male or female. I do think I have alot of respect from my male students because I am female in what they percieve as a non female role. And I love hearing from the other girls out there, you sound like wounderful inspirations to any female student who may feel a little unconfident around the guys. And I admire those of you that have that "sparring edge", or eye of the tiger!!!!!! :) sandy --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:49:34 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Which IHF ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What about Cho WonSang's IHF? Is this not officially recognized by the Korean Government? Jesse --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:52:53 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: IHF Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > In Korea, the lineages are listed like this. Let's say I directly taught "tom" > and "peter". Peter started before tom and received his teaching certificate > before tom did. Tom would be listed as Peter's student even though Tom studied > directly under me. It is how it goes. I've never heard this before, and as you've explained it it doesn't make any sense to me. If you have three students, according to your explanation student #2 is listed as the student of student #1. So how is student #3 listed, as student of student #1 or #2? >From your explanation it sounds as though an actual instructor only ever lists one student, his first. Jesse --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:59:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] From an email.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net FRIENDS OF THE SOCIETY OF THE HWARANG I am writing to everyone who has indicated an interest in the SOCIETY OF THE HWARANG and my ESI list. Some of you may have been picked up without indicating interest. If the subject does not interest you, write to me and I will expunge you from my list on future mailings. For more than a year, I have talked about holding a series of martial arts seminars for professionals and martial artists. I finally put up the first in this series and they will begin with three very fine martial art teachers whom I have known for many years. Many of you know Joe Bannon from the ESI alumni meeting last year or other events. He is a great martial artists and one of the best teachers of his art that I have ever seen. Joe will teach Dim Mak. He is presently in Australia studying with his Chinese master and will return with an impressive body of knowledge. For background go to www.hwarang.org/Bannon-SurgicalStrike.html John Lelis has studied the Philippine arts for many years as well as Wing Chung. As a police officer and trainer, he shaped his art to the needs of officers who had to learn fast and apply what they learned on a daily basis. Lelis will teach Edged Weapons and defenses. For details go to www.hwarang.org/Lelis-Seminar.html John Clodig and I go back to the mid 70's and the Aspen Academy of Martial Arts. Clodig has been a student of the arts for more than thirty years. His great love is a branch of Aikijujitsu, or Yanagi Hara Ryu of which he is the Chief Instructor and Director. For more information go to www.hwarang.org/Clodig-Bio.html THE FIRST SERIES WILL BE HELD IN LAS VEGAS, JUNE 26 AND 27. THE SECOND WILL BE HELD IN LAS VEGAS AUGUST 24 AND 25 FOLLOWING THE ESI ALUMNI ASSOCIATION MEETING. THERE IS A $50 DISCOUNT FOR BRINGING A GUEST AND WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL FIND THE SKILLS LEARNED USEFUL IN YOUR CAREER. WE ALSO HOPE THAT MANY OF YOU WILL CONTINUE TO STUDY WITH THESE TEACHERS AFTER YOU ARE INTRODUCED TO THE ART AT THE SEMINAR. I AM ATTACHING AN ADOBE DOCUMENT WITH THE DETAILS OR YOU CAN GO TO THE SOCIETY'S WEB SITE AND READ MUCH MORE. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ADOBE READER, IT CAN BE DOWN LOADED FREE AT ACROBAT.COM OR WRITE TO ME AND I WILL SEND YOU A WORD DOC FORMAT. If you are interested in making a reservation, call the office 800 874-0888 and talk to Bethany. You will need to send a small deposit of $25 to reserve you place in the small class. Bob Duggan www.hwarang.org --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:07:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] (no subject) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think understanding that martial arts is much more then exercises, fighting, even the physical portion keeps me in it. It's a way of life for me, something I live. Jye gerrald wrote: Can anyone tell me what keeps them motivated to train in there respective arts. What can I do as a student in a dojang. Thank you in advance Gerrald Yaremko --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest