Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:40:05 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #184 - 16 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Switch-Spin Kick? (Calvin Berlin) 2. Hapkido Seminar (J R Hilland) 3. Re: Same TKD techniques over and over (tim walker) 4. Re: Hapkido Promotions and Rank (Ray Terry) 5. Hello (Richard Zaruba) 6. Intros (Burdick, Dakin R) 7. Re: Intros (Ray Terry) 8. Yawara stick (Ray Terry) 9. Yu Won Hwa (Chris Hamilton) 10. Mary Sue vs Billy Bob (Stovall, Craig) 11. Name game (Rudy Timmerman) 12. Friends (Rudy Timmerman) 13. Motivation (Stovall, Craig) 14. Re: Re: Switch-Spin Kick? (Jye nigma) 15. Tekno circuit (Ray Terry) 16. Zero In Korean and more... (Bert Edens) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:32:33 -0500 From: "Calvin Berlin" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Switch-Spin Kick? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<<<< We train at many kicks that are designed for in close kicking. A switch spin will knock your wind out or break a rib and this is executed when someone is in your face.>>>>> "Could you describe what a switch spin kick is? I am not familiar with the term and may know it by another name. and how close do you mean, like chest to chest? Bernard" Yes, it can be used when that close. Let's say your in a fighting stance with the left leg forward, a "regular spin kick" is when you turn your shoulders and drive your right leg back into the opponent. Doing this will move your body forward when you land, so you need a couple of feet between you. A switch spin covers no ground, you could loose a little ground if you choose to. When you turn your shoulders, you will jump slightly up and your legs will cross sort of like a scissors. Your left leg will come back to where your right foot was, as your right leg is kicking back towards your opponent. If you were to fall back a bit as you're executing, your left foot will be behind the spot where your right foot was. Falling back happens naturally when you 2 step back as your opponent comes in and you then execute the switch spin. Your momentum will carry you back a bit. Hope that helps. Pil Sung Cal ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This Electronic Mail Transmission contains information from Joy Global Inc. which is confidential, and is intended only for the use of the proper addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately at the return address on this transmission, or by telephone at (414) 671-4400, and delete this message and any attachments from your system. Unauthorized use, copying, disclosing, distributing, or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- <> --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:57:43 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am teaching a hapkido seminar in Fargo, North Dakota on Saturday, May 1st, 2004 from 10:30 am - 6:30 pm. Open to all martial arts practitioners. Open to all styles and ranks. My seminars are taught in the tradition of my teacher, Master J. R. West, Daehan Kidohwe 8th dan. The mats we will be using for the seminar were used during the Judo events at the Olympics, very nice and large nice mats. Pre-registered before May 1, 2004: $50.00. At the event: $65.00. Free to instructors who bring 5 or more students. For more information, go to http://www.hapkidoselfdefense.com/workshop.htm. You can email me at hapkido@ideaone.com with any questions. Jere R. Hilland www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "tim walker" To: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:13:34 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Same TKD techniques over and over Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a word: Hapkido. Come to the dark side. You won't be sorry. Yours, timo <> --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Promotions and Rank To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I personally would LOVE to have somebody publish the attendence records for > Chois' classes so that the world could see just who studied with whom and > for how long. I understand that Takeda's records are avaialble, Gm Choi under his given name or any of his Japanese names does not appear. Of course the Takeda family claims to have never heard of Choi nor ever had any young Korean slaves/servants/students. Do we know who has viewed the Daitoryu records? Are they available for researchers like Dr. Kimm to view and review? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:49:07 -0500 From: Richard Zaruba To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Hello Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Dean, There are a few KSW people here on the group, nice to have you. Rich ____________________________________________________________________________ Richard Zaruba, PSBN Chief Instructor/ Owner Kuk Sool Won Family Martial Arts Center 2500-D South Columbia Road Grand Forks, ND 58201 Http://www.ksw-nd.com/ richard@ksw-nd.com Sch: (701) 775-7088 --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:49:36 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Intros Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Boy, it's been a while since we said our hellos! Ray, is there a possibility of having an html dedicated to describing some of the longtime dojang_digest subscribers? This comes up every once in a while and it would be nice for new members to know the lay of the land. Anyhow, here's some info on me: Dakin Burdick: I've been training since 1980, and my emphasis is on self-defense and hapkido. I also love swordplay. I wrote a history of bareknuckle boxing, jujutsu and judo in the U.S. from 1845 to 1945 for my Ph.D. in American History & American Studies at Indiana University at Bloomington. I am currently an instructional consultant working with the faculty at that same university. I'm also an Associate Editor of the _Journal of Asian Martial Arts_. Dan Ranks: 4th dan t'aekweondo [Chidokwan], 3rd dan hapkido [U.S. Hapkido Federation], 2nd dan Hoki-ryu iaido [Zen Nihon Iaido Renmei] website: http://php.indiana.edu/~burdickd/ email: dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Intros To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Boy, it's been a while since we said our hellos! Ray, is there a > possibility of having an html dedicated to describing some of the > longtime dojang_digest subscribers? This comes up every once in a while > and it would be nice for new members to know the lay of the land. Klaas has volunteered to look into this idea. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Yawara stick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Interesting link to a 1948 manual on using the short Yawara stick. http://www.yawara.com/YawaraStick.html Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Chris Hamilton" To: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:40:43 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Yu Won Hwa Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> I've never heard of a specific art by this name, but as many people on this list could tell you "Yu Won Hwa" is a basic concept in Hapkido and other related arts including Han Mu Do. Yu Won Hwa means water/circle/harmony, and refers to the flowing circular movements' characteristic to arts such as ours. Like Bruce Lee said once in an interview "Be like water Baby, be like water". I think that one of the most challenging aspects of training someone coming from a background in some of the harder styles is to instill the Yu Won Hwa mindset. Many have an almost robotic movement, very tense, linear, and angular. To me this is contrary to nature, or natural movement. It is better to move like the animals we are (no offense intended) and use natural movement, than to emulate a machine or rock'em sock'em robots. Just my opinion. Chris HMD in BR --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:10:09 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Mary Sue vs Billy Bob Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> I don't know about anyone else, but there's nothing I love more than a good old "one time this guy came into the dojang" story. I'd like to hear some stories and anecdotes from these types of incidents with the ladies. Anyone care to share? 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Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:25:52 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Name game Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jeff writes: > Has anybody ever heard of Hwa Won Yue Hapkido? Hello Jeff: Yu Won Wha is a basic principle taught in most Hap Ki Do schools. Sounds like someone named his art/school after something that can readily be found in other arts like Kuk Sool and Kong Shin Bup without realizing that the name merely describes a common theory. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:31:23 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Friends Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rick writes: > will be teaching a seminar with Patrick McCarthy in a few months. Hello Rick. When you see Patrick, please tell him someone out of his Canadian past (1970's) said hello. Haven't seen Pat since he got married and moved to Japan way back when. I understand he now resides in Australia or New Zealand. Good man:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:30:29 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Motivation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> At a high-level, I'm sort of simplistic about these things. Martial arts is kind of like a marriage...you either love that old girl or you don't. If you love it, you'll always come back to it and have a desire for it. If you don't love it, there ain't no mantra in the world that can make you. It's natural to have ebbs and flows in a relationship, and one's relationship with martial arts is no exception. If you determine that you are indeed "in love" and committed for the long haul...here's some suggestions that have helped me make it through the rough times. 1. Take a frigging break - Seriously, the best thing you can do sometimes is just step away, and give it a rest. Whether we like to admit it or not, everything we do in life involves some sort of a mental/physical/spiritual "payoff". Sometimes, we go to the well too often, and we no longer perceive those "payoffs" to be in excess of the "payments" (time, energy, money) that we're giving in order to take part in a given activity. Time off lets the batteries recharge, gives us time to reflect, reevaluate, and sometimes gain a new perspective. Don't be afraid to try something new for a month...get in a different kind of exercise, read that book you've been putting off, spend extra time with the family, put in some O/T around the office and get some lingering projects finished, etc. Some of my best training experiences have occurred when coming back from a short layoff. It feels like "coming home", and can boost one's excitement. 2. Reevaluate those "payoffs"- We all train for different reasons, and sometimes those reasons change. Make sure you're still training for the right reasons. I guess I started training for the same reasons as most young males...a juvenile fascination for violence and mayhem. Hey, I'm STILL fascinated with violence and mayhem, but that's not why I train these days. It's more for the mental and physical challenge. For me, it's a vehicle for health and vitality. Make sure your training environment is still relevant to your needs. If you just want to relax and have fun, then it's not going to make sense to train with a bunch of "Combat Karate Killas". On the same note, if you want to be Rambo then it doesn't make sense to train with kids at the YMCA. Cognitive dissonance can grind you into the mat, and this can occur most often with martial artists that never take the time to realize that they may not be plugged into the right training environment. 3. Keep a training log - Sometimes we don't realize how far we've come, and observing one's growth over time can be an exciting thing. Write down all of the things you're learning and working on. Try to be as detailed as possible. Especially make note of those "AHA!" experiences we all have when something just seems to come together for you. This helps you hold onto that knowledge, and gives you a tool to revisit those times when things were clicking a little better. 4. Same art/different focus - You can change arts and schools, and that's fine and dandy. But, just remember that you can have a similar experience by just changing what you're focusing on in your current art. Sometimes we get stuck in a pattern and don't even realize it. If you've been concentrating on kicks for the last 6 months, and have been experiencing some great improvement...fantastic, but it may be time to move on. Remember the law of diminishing returns. Take the next month to focus completely on something else...forms, weapons, self-defense, grappling, or conditioning. Focusing our minds on a new task or goal can be very beneficial. It gives us something to work toward, as well as something to look forward too. I see a lot of people drop out because they simply don't know where they want to take their art. You have to define where you want to take it. You may decide that you want to master a particular form. The next thing you know you're practicing this form more, asking questions, watching the seniors who already do it well, figuring out auxiliary drills/movements that will help you with that particular form, etc. The whole point is that you are becoming a creator. You are fully engaged in a process. You have defined a goal, and you set about to realize it. For me, this is a very exciting thing, and one that the martial arts provides ample opportunity to experience. Unfortunately, I don't see a lot of people taking this approach. Just some random thoughts. I hope this helps. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:46:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Switch-Spin Kick? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net sounds like a spinning back kick. Calvin Berlin wrote: Yes, it can be used when that close. Let's say your in a fighting stance with the left leg forward, a "regular spin kick" is when you turn your shoulders and drive your right leg back into the opponent. Doing this will move your body forward when you land, so you need a couple of feet between you. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --__--__-- Message: 15 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Tekno circuit Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net USA Tekno has announced that they are sponsoring the official Tekno Taekwondo Circuit. The circuit consists of five tournaments held in various US locations. The first tournament is Tekno East Coast Open in Maryland, Next is the Tekno Asian Sun tournament in Ohio, then Tekno Atlantic Games in St. Petersburg, Florida, Tekno Poos Brothers in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Tekno Fort Worth International, Ft.Worth, Texas. The senior divisions will mirror the WTF weight divisions w/WTF rules. Each division is double eliminiation. The division winners are awarded points which determine who will be named to Team Tekno. Team Tekno will travel to at least one overseas event within the next year. Runner-up prizes awarded at year-end. --__--__-- Message: 16 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:18:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Bert Edens To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Zero In Korean and more... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From: "Master Allen" > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] More on Zero In Korean > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:06:06 -0400 > > Bert, > My wife and I say Jeero! ^_^ > Jeff Allen > www.hapkiyoosool.com Greetings, sir! LOL :) I love it... It's amazing how people have to adapt foreign words to their native language, especially when there's not that sound in the language... The "Z" is a perfect example... So saying "Jeero" makes sense (pictures that in Hangul :). My oldest son's name is Zak, and when I explained to him how it was written and pronounced in Korean, he got mad since people wouldn't say "Zak" as they do in English. :) It's even funnier hearing "Pizza Hut" in Korean, which is something closer to "Peeja (or Peetja) Hut". :) Then again, they would laugh at my southern drawl too, soooooo... :) <> - Bert Edens Springdale, Arkinsaw :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest