Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 03:01:50 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #189 - 2 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Help: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1600 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: 8th 9th 10th dan (jeffrey kiral) 2. Master Patrick (Frank Clay) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "jeffrey kiral" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 8th 9th 10th dan Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:08:10 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net for all of those reasons, the marketing, the money, the business of martial arts schools, I am very thankful to have found a private instrucor in Hapkido that doesn't give a damn about any of that stuff...he just teaches a select few with care and quality....just like his master before him. > In addition with the advent of the commercial schools it was in the interest > of the school owner to test students for each rank and to keep them in > classes for 3 or more years as this would increase their revenue. ATA (I am > told) even went to a marketing agency to find out what color belt would be > most appealing to kids. This was time when GI Joe was a popular toy - thus > the birth of the Camouflage belt. > > Now as instructors got the higher ranks they became protective of their > ability to promote students because this could generate testing fees for > them and help pay the overhead of their schools or association or to make a > living. It was in the financial interest for the heads of schools and > groups to have higher ranks and to keep students in lower ranks and thus > subservient to them AND it gave the head instructors power and authority > over the under ranked instructors. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:06:03 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Patrick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Patrick Baeder is one of my people. We trained at the same school, so it seems to be a logical fit, though we began at different locations. He was in NC with Scott McSwain, and I trained with Lorenzo Gibson and Master Dong. I introduced Patrick and Master Lim. This was part of the KOMA inaugural tour, which will soon have a press release. Regards, Frank --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest