Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:38:06 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #190 - 16 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Re: Mountains (Kip McCormick) 2. RE: Bruce's search (Rick Clark) 3. Lee Yong Su (Barrie Restall) 4. Rank (Todd Miller) 5. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Connections?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 6. Hapkido - High Ranks (Michael D'Aloia) 7. Hi to Patrick (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 8. Diana F. (Richard Tomlinson) 9. who is who on the DD (J R Hilland) 10. Re: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Craig Stovall... (Jye nigma) 11. new Master Instructor on list (Charles Richards) 12. The Hapkido chicken or egg? (michael tomlinson) 13. Re: who is who on the DD (Ray Terry) 14. Introduction (KO-Online) 15. Re: Lee Yong Su (Ray Terry) 16. 5th Korean Film Festival in Iowa City (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Kip McCormick" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Mountains Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:13:13 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As far as mountains go, I don't think what mountains symbolize resonates with us westerners as it does w/ the Korean culture. For example, Koreans consider Mt Gumgang, a mountain on the DPRK side of the DMZ, east coast, a "Korean Mecca". (It's also the name of a WTF black belt form). Mountains stand for many things to the Koreans, but primarily they show strength and independence...and I don't think this idea of what mountains represent is a Korean-only phenomenon. FWIW. Hope all is well. Kip Kip McCormick Warrior Hapkido Seoul, Korea USKMAF >From: >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Mountains Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:13:20 -0500 >(CDT) > >Dear Jere: > >"......When I first started hapkido we were told the Choi studied in >the "mountains". Master Myung Kwang Sik, the head of the WHF even said >that >in his first book. I was first told around 1979 (my teacher finally >admitted >the that the "away in the mountains" was fictional) that there was a >Japanese connection to hapkido........" > >For a long time I always wondered what this thing about the mountains >was. I figured that it must be because there are so few people up there >and a guy could just about come-up with anything he cared to. I have >recently heard about a book by David A Mason (SPIRIT OF THE MOUNTAINS) >publ by Hollym that speaks to this belief system in Korean culture. I >think its called "sanshinism" but don't quote me on that. Anyhow, the >idea is that mountain as icon, represents a particular archetype in >Korean culture but I'll have to read the book to get the rest of this. >FWIW. > >BTW: The Japanese have the same hang-up --er--- belief system regarding >Shinto. > >Best Wishes, > > >Bruce >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar – FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Rick Clark" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Bruce's search Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 22:20:50 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi George, > From: George Peters [mailto:kyosag@hotmail.com] > Good Sir, > In reading your post,it confuses me on what is said about higher Dan > rank not denoting a higher level of skill. Granted that all people vary in > abilities and very high rank usually comes with an advancing age, the > seniors I have had the privilige of working with are not indicative of > what you say. There is a heck of a difference between the skills of a Sa- > Dan and the skills of an O-Dan, at least the ones I know, and these > differences are also reflected in the higher ranks. I had always assumed > that this was the norm, as" does the light not become brighter as one > travels up the mountain out of the valley"? > Respectfully, > George I am not sure if this post is directed at my post but for the heck of it I'll assume it is. You have to understand that each persons view or experience will vary. Just as you can always find exceptions to the rule you may have been lucky and not had the same experience as others. That being said there are individuals out there who are superb technicians at an older age and do get better. In many respects I am a better martial artist today than I was when I was 21. BUT at the same time there are things I could do when I was 21 that I can't do at my current age of # :-) Just a quick story about the head of a style of Okinawan karate. After WW2 this guy saw a woman have her purse grabbed, he got the purse back and it was written up in a newspaper that a "Okinawan Karate Expert" saved the day. Well this guy had never studied any martial art, yet he was besieged with requests to teach Karate. So - he took private classes during the day and taught what he had learned at night. He became a very well know "Master", but he was an "instant master". He ended up with a number of American servicemen as students and they brought his "style" to the USA and promoted it. He was the head of a system, 10th dan, yet he knew little more than the students he was teaching. Don't bother asking who the "instant karate" master was. I had to track down the answer on my own, and when I finally did things made sense to me. BUT if you really want to know the answer is out there, I just will not pass it on because I am not 100% sure it's true (I am about 99% sure however). By the way this story is from S. Nagamine's book Okinawan Karate but the name of the instructor is left out. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Barrie Restall" To: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:58:03 +1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Lee Yong Su Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray, I have attached a photo taken in 1980 showing Dj Kim Yun Sang, Dj Choi Yung Sul, Hyom Bae, Lee Yong Su. I am trying to find out what happened to him after DJ Choi's death and will let you know what I turn up. Kind regards, Barrie Restall [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/bmp which had a name of ???13.bmp] --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Todd Miller" To: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:59:40 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net How much does rank really matter? To some it matters a great deal and others not as much. There will never be total agrement on who deserves what rank and who was or is authorized to issue it. The way I look at rank, At Master level, do you understand unbalencing, body positioning, what are the key points of basic technique. There are other things we have to look at but these are some of the most important issues that makes Hapkido what it is! It really does not matter who you consider the founder of Hapkido or what group you are affiliated with or even who your teacher is. When these things are considered important and are a BIG part of your training you probably have some decent Hapkido. If the question was asked "Who is the best" , There would be as many answers as there are Associations and maybe more. I like what GM Lim, Hyun Soo's attitude is, Lets get on the matt and train and after 10 - 15 techniques your ability will show itself. It does not matter what number of stripes you have on your belt or what number is on your certificate. The key for ALL is to have humility, honesty, integrity, perseverance, self control, excet. Just some thoughts. Todd Miller Korea Jungki Hapkido & Guhapdo Association www.millersmudo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:34:27 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Connections?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Patrick: ".....The short story is that I hooked up with GM Lim through Frank Clay. GM Lim was here for a seminar and I was fortunate enough to spend 5 days with him. We are currently working on a schedule where I will visit him in Malaysia annually to suppliment his annual trips here to AL......" Oooopppps. My bad. I didn't realize that he had made it to your area during his visit. Good luck in your training. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Michael D'Aloia" Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:32:23 -0400 (EDT) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido - High Ranks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce stated," I view the rank system as a way of ordering a curriculum or a catalog of techniques. In the absence of testing requirements for each rank how is the integrity of the art maintained?" I totally agree with Bruce that testing requirements for each rank is important to maintain integrity of the art, however the standards/requirements vary from HKD one association/federation to the next. If a "high ranking" teacher/federation/association sets forth requirements for a high rank, then does that in fact legitimize that rank? I suppose within that system. It then goes back to who gave this "high ranking" teacher his rank in the first place...Does this person have a higher technical skill/level? Hopefully yes, but there is no general standard out there. If each high rank requires some sort of curriculum/techniques within each federation/association by the "high ranking" teacher/head then in my opinion, this gives a bit more legitimacy to the rank. How does this "rank" transfer from one Hapkido organization to the next? Due to the fragmentation of Hapkido, it doesn't. But hopefully the underlining principles to the art are practiced. So back to the question, how important is rank? Rank is important and serves some sort of purpose, but hard practice and living a good life in my opinion supercedes it. Keep in mind that we are all Hapkido STUDENTS, no matter what our rank is. When one thinks they have learned everything, it is time to hang up the ol' black belt and stop teaching. In addition, sometimes we worry too much about other Hapkido teachers/organziations/ranks, when we should spend our energy focusing on our own students. Stay well. Master Michael D'Aloia www.jungkihapkidoamerica.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:17:29 -0500 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Hi to Patrick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Patrick, Welcome to the DD. Good to see another person from AL. I might be able to drop in for a short visit some time, as I am occasionally down at Auburn to see where all my money is going. I am located just south of Huntsville, and I study Tang Soo Do. Danny Dunn --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:30:59 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Diana F. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Welcome!!! And am glad to have read your post. I started 5 1/2 years ago, didnt even know on day one what to expect in a Martial arts class... I was hooked imediately also. Now I am aproaching 2nd dan, looking foreward to third! You have a great attitude, positive outlook and I am sure you and your son will be very successful! Good Luck!! sandy:) --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:49:58 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] who is who on the DD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray mentioned that someone is under taking the task of bio's for us who have been on the DD for years. In case anyone missed it, I have the photo of the DD members with names that was so thoughtfully put together by one of our members on my website at http://www.hapkidoselfdefense.com/dojang_digest.htm. The old guy in the middle is our own Master Ray Terry. :) Jere R. Hilland www.rrhapkido.com www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:10:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Craig Stovall... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Most of the info is in japanese....he should add an english section as well. Jye Master Arce wrote: I wonder if Sho Kosugi still makes movies?-Jye He teaches new actors now at his acting school. http://www.shokosugi.com/ His sons make movies now.... Peace, Steve Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:30:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] new Master Instructor on list Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net If there are any Korean martial artist that live within about 90 miles of Auburn and would like to make a connection to workout and exchange techniques, I would love to hear from you. Patrick Baeder Auburn Academy of Martial Arts 334-502-7221 www.auburnacademy.com =============================================== He's not kidding. Master Baeder made the trek up to north Georgia for our September seminar and has included me on invites to his dojang's training events. Great attitude, with an open mind...not to mention a good technician :-) Sharing a focus paddle with him during Master McHenry's kicking drills was "Re-juvinating" to say the least :-) Welcome to the list my friend. Be sure you go back to Master Terry's excellent archives and poke around on topics that interest you. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:54:15 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] The Hapkido chicken or egg? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray writes: <> At the risk of starting a forest fire on here... IF Choi Yong Sools records DON'T exist then doesn't that make all the other arguements about rank and 9th dan great grandmasters pubahs and all that who came first and second and third and fourth and fifth and sixth and blah blah blah happy horshsh-t invalid? Who cares about genuine naugahyde? If you can DO Hapkido and you LOVE Hapkido and you are HAPPY with your training then let all the other shiite die... this argument comes around about as often as a Herpes sore on a Florida hookers lip.... I'm tired of it ,, lets fry the Hapkido Egg and Rotissiere the Hapkido Chicken..... what do you say guys,,,, frag it... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] who is who on the DD To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Ray mentioned that someone is under taking the task of bio's for us who have > been on the DD for years. In case anyone missed it, I have the photo of the > DD members with names that was so thoughtfully put together by one of our > members on my website at > http://www.hapkidoselfdefense.com/dojang_digest.htm. The old guy in the > middle is our own Master Ray Terry. :) I resemble that remark... Just to clarify, those in the pic were most of the DD members present at the March 2004 HKD & KMA event in Jackson, hosted by Gm West. Similar pics are present at martialartsresource.com, along with DD member pics from some past Jackson events. Jackson... an excellent way to get on the mat with those around the US, North America and the world. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:10:44 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: KO-Online Subject: [The_Dojang] Introduction Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings to all list members. I am new to the Dojang Digest, just having been introduced to it by Master Jere Hilland First let me say I read other martial arts list & am dismayed ( I think that means I was once mayed?) by the continuous bickering & posturing I find elsewhere. This has been a breath of fresh air thank you. I am a Chang Moo Kwan TaeKwonDo 6th dan, HapKiDo 3rd dan & KumDo 3rd dan. I run a wholesale martial arts supply website ( www.ko-online.com ) and I am very pleased to have Master Jere Hilland here in the frozen tundra of North Dakota/Minnesota to restore some traditional thought to our martial arts area. Thanks again for the thoughtful posts. Jim Grimestad Red River Traditional TaeKwonDo --__--__-- Message: 15 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Lee Yong Su To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have attached a photo taken in 1980 showing Dj Kim Yun Sang, Dj Choi Yung > Sul, Hyom Bae, Lee Yong Su. Attachments are automatically stripped. Else people would have to worry about getting a virus from this dist list. Sorry... Is it on the web somewhere? > I am trying to find out what happened to him after DJ Choi's death and will > let you know what I turn up. Great! Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 16 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] 5th Korean Film Festival in Iowa City Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Welcome to the 5th Korean Film Festival(April 23rd-25th)! For the past 5 years, Kolors has presented an intriguing, sometimes provocative collection of contemporary Korean films to not only Iowans but also some fervent Midwest filmgoers outside Iowa, and thereby is now an irreplaceable event in Iowa. To our joy, during the same period, Korean Cinema began receiving its long overdue international recognition; Im Kwon-Taek and Lee Chang-Dong have won the prestigious award for Best Director respectively at the Cannes Film Festival in 2002 and at the Venice Film Festival in the same year. And most recently, Kim Ki-Duk won the Silver Bear award at the Berlin Film Festival this year, the equivalent to the aforementioned award for Best Director. In further uplifting this upbeat spirit, this year’s festival will be filled with even more exciting films, including notably, Im Kwon-Taek’s highly enjoyable- yet rarely seen abroad- action film [General’s Son](1990) in gorgeous 35mm print! We’re also excited to announce that special talks will be given by top-notch film scholars- Jung Bong Choi (UC, Santa Barbara), Frances Gateward (U. of Illinois, Urbana Champaign), and Mitsuhiro Yoshimoto (NYU) on contemporary Korean and Japanese cinema on Saturday afternoon (4:30PM, 4.24.04). In line with the theme of this year’s festival, that is, to look at how contemporary Korean and Japanese cinemas remember each other, or, in particular, the colonial memory as such,* we have gathered various films ranging from documentaries ([The Murmuring], [In the Name of the Emperor]), historical comedies ([YMCA Baseball Team]), science-fiction ([2009 Lost Memories]) to military thrillers ([Phantom, The Submarine]). Also worth noting here is [815 (Hachi-Ichi-Go)], an intriguing Japanese film by Chugoku Shoichi, which was premiered last fall at the Vancouver International Film Festival and won Special Mention for its provocative depiction of contemporary Japan. Though none of the films should not be missed, I would strongly recommend for the general audiences and families to watch [YMCA Baseball Team] on Friday night (8:00); [General’s Son] for film students and scholars or anyone who heard about Im Kwon-Taek and who doesn’t want to miss this rare and unique chance to see Im Kwon-Taek’s action film given his now established status as an artistic director; [The Murmuring] for those who want to see ‘in person,’ if you will, how colonial memory remains as ‘the present pasts’ not only for Koreans but also for Japanese; [815] for those who’d like to approach the issue from a totally different point of view and are stoic enough to bear with the silent yet definitely far from a serene intermission that will last exactly for 8 minutes and 15 seconds during the screening. Well, now you can’t wait until next weekend? Then, visit our website for more information on the festival and films (http://www.digitdream.com/kolors) and leave your own trace on the message board. I’ll see you ALL next weekend! Kwak Yung-Bin Executive Programming Director of Korean Film Festival at University of Iowa (3rd~) Ph.D. Student, Film Studies Dept. of Cinema and Comparative Literature University of Iowa H) 319-353-4894 C) 319-530-5104 * This event is made possible by the generous funds provided by: Center for Asian Pacific Studies (CAPS) Institute for Cinema and Culture (ICC) International Programs (IP) International Writing Program (IWP) For a full list of sponsors, check our website. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5th Korean Film Festival at the University of Iowa Far Away So Close: The Present Pasts in Contemporary Korean And Japanese Cinema Schedule Date Time Program April 23rd (Fri)5:00PM [2009 Lost Memories] (2002) 8:00PM [YMCA Baseball Team] (2003) April 24th (Sat)11:00AM [The Murmuring] (1994) 2:00 PM [815 (Hachi-Ichi-Go)] (2003) 4:30PM Public Symposium on Korean and Japanese Cinema with Jung-Bong Choi (U. of California, Santa Barbara) Frances Gateward (U. of Illinois, Urbana Champaign) Mitsuhiro Yoshimoto (NYU) 7:30PM Im Kwon-Taek’s [General’s Son] (1990) April 25th (Sun)2:00PM [In the Name of the Emperor] (1995) 3:30PM [Phantom, The Submarine] (1999) * Note: All screenings are at 101 BCSB (Becker’s Communication Studies Building) JUNG-BONG CHOI is an Assistant Professor of Film Studies at the University of California at Santa Barbara. His works interweave sociological paradigms with critical and cultural theories. His interests include the political economy of globalization, postmodern humanity in digital media, and post-colonial cultural geography in East Asia. He was the organizer of an International conference titled "Unsettling East Asia, Interrogating Communication" in 2001. His works have been published in Social Identities, Journal of International Communication, and Journal of Communication Inquiry. He is currently co- editing a book dedicated to contemporary Japanese television. FRANCES GATEWARD is an Associate Professor of Unit for Cinema Studies and the Program in Comparative and World Literature, Affiliate in the Afro-American Studies and Research Program at the University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign. She received her Ph.D. from the University of Maryland College Park. Her areas of research are African American film and popular culture, post-colonial film, and Korean cinema. She is the editor of Zhang Yimou: Interviews (University Press of Mississippi, 2001), co-editor of Sugar, Spice, and Everything Nice: Cinemas of Girlhood (Wayne State University, 2002) and notably Korean Cinema (Oxford Press, 2004). MITSUHIRO YOSHIMOTO is an Associate Professor of East Asian Studies at New York University. The fields of his specialization are film studies and critical theory. He has an MA in film studies from the University of California, Los Angeles, and a Ph.D. in comparative literature from the University of California, San Diego. He is the author of the book Kurosawa: Film Studies and Japanese Cinema (Duke University Press, 2000), which is acclaimed by Fredric Jameson as “a grand performance sustained by a voice of rare authority,” and numerous articles in English and Japanese on Japanese film, television, Hollywood cinema, postmodernism, among others. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest