Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:01:48 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #191 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Welcome (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) 2. Re: Hi to Patrick (Patrick Baeder) 3. RE: 5th Korean Film Festival in Iowa City (Stovall, Craig) 4. Recommended Knife Training? (jmchie@wideopenwest.com) 5. 10th Dan (Charles Richards) 6. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_My_Search_for_Meaning?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 7. =?UTF-8?Q?Diana=20Fales=E2=80=99=20Introduction?= (Johnjfitzg@aol.com) 8. Florida Mountains (michael tomlinson) 9. Re: The Hapkido chicken or egg? (Master Allen) 10. Re: Re: Connections (Master Allen) 11. RE: RE: 5th Korean Film Festival in Iowa City (Kip McCormick) 12. Lee Yong Su (Barrie Restall) 13. Korean Meaning (Kevin Janisse) 14. Re: RE: 5th Korean Film Festival in Iowa City (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:50:36 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Welcome Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Grimestad, Welcome to the Digest! We bicker occasionally too, but OUR bickering is sooo well-researched.... and we all go home friends. ;-) Master Terry keeps us in line. You might have to drop and do 10 pushups before you return to the keyboard, but sometimes it's worth it to get that comment in. >;-) J/K Sharon T. Jang Mu Hapkido --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Patrick Baeder Organization: Auburn Academy of Martial Arts, LLC To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hi to Patrick Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:54:20 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Danny, Just let me know when you are in town and I will make sure I roll out the red carpet! From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" Date: 2004/04/15 Thu AM 10:17:29 EDT To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Hi to Patrick Hi Patrick, Welcome to the DD. Good to see another person from AL. I might be able to drop in for a short visit some time, as I am occasionally down at Auburn to see where all my money is going. I am located just south of Huntsville, and I study Tang Soo Do. Danny Dunn _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Patrick Baeder Auburn Academy of Martial Arts 334-502-7221 www.auburnacademy.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:20:27 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: 5th Korean Film Festival in Iowa City Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The post about the film festival got me to wondering. Do they make martial arts movies in Korea? Obviously, we're all familiar with the tons of kung-fu movies that have come out of China, and there's been some stuff out of Japan (Sonny Chiba's work comes to mind) that has made it stateside. I also hear talk of Arnis/Eskrima movies being made in the Phillipines with the likes of Roland Dantes being big action stars over there, but I've never seen one. Just wondering if the Koreans have their own burgeoning martial arts film industry that showcases TKD, Hapkido, etc. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: jmchie@wideopenwest.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:00:49 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Recommended Knife Training? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We do a small amount of knife defenses/disarms in our class. I would call my instructor adequate, but not expert, in this particular of our training. In part due to some of the things on here I have read about how inadequate that might be against someone who knows how to handle a knife, I thought I would ask what people on the list might recommend by way of knife training. For this purpose I am not specifically interested in what nationality the training is, just that it will serve to augment that part of my self defense repertoire. Is it something that can be improved through self-study and training with a partner, or should I look for a seminar in the greater Chicagoland area, or do I really have to find a skilled isntructor to work with for an extended period of time? Any advice in this area is greatly appreciated. Jim McHie Jr. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:48:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] 10th Dan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On the topic of 10th Dans in the KMA... Who do we think was the first legit KMAer to claim the rank of 10th Dan or be promoted to that rank? I personally first noticed that rank being used by the WHF's Kwang Sil Myung. Gm Ji was promoted to 10th by, I believe, the IHF, but I don't recall the date. I have always wondered if Gm Myung was the first to claim 10th. ============================================= Wading in, FWIW, Hwang Kee promoted his son Hwang, H.C. to 10th Dan I believe after the many "split-off" TSD orgs showed up with 9th Dan GM's. I'm not sure what Kim, Jae Jhoon was ranked when he left GM Hwang, but he is now 10th Dan. I think they are the only two in Tang Soo Do (for now). Doing the math 8th and 9th Dan must be "honorary/based on contribution because in theory nobody could be two ranks higher if 9th is the highest you can achieve. That also begs the question if a 9th Dan is "qualified" to evaluate skill of another 9th Dan candidate, why can't a 1st Dan promote his student to 1st dan. GM Shin, Jae Chul taught me that 10th Dan is not attainable while living as it represents perfection. It is our lifelong goal, but not something that can be reached while mortal...That's in harmony with the concept behind midnight blue belts representing ever present room for improvement. So my take is a 10th Dan either represents a need to be more karate/Japanese like, or a need to assert your senior standing above folks that have splintered off from you when you where 9th Dan...Or a need to market something that can't be seen on the mat... Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:53:22 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_My_Search_for_Meaning?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Michael: "......It then goes back to who gave this "high ranking" teacher his rank in the first place...Does this person have a higher technical skill/level? Hopefully yes, but there is no general standard out there. If each high rank requires some sort of curriculum/techniques within each federation/association by the "high ranking" teacher/head then in my opinion, this gives a bit more legitimacy to the rank. How does this "rank" transfer from one Hapkido organization to the next? Due to the fragmentation of Hapkido, it doesn't. But hopefully the underlining principles to the art are practiced....." I can't quite put my finger on it but it seems that when it comes to rank and standing there is somewhat more subjectivity and variance in Hapkido between what is said and what is practiced. As I say its hard to put my finger on it, so let me use a metaphor of Karate for comparison. Originally Karate was the term that identified Funakoshis' work. Then, later, Karate became a more generic term as other "styles" came on the scene. Now, I'm not saying there are no cases of someone practicing, say, Shudokan, earning a Ni-Dan and later switching to another art (Shorin- ryu?) and keeping their rank. It is known to happen. What I have NOT heard of is someone bouncing from organization to organization and each time rachetting up a dan or so. So, for the sake of argument (I mean that figuratively :-) ) if Hapkido was originally sourced at Choi and maybe early-on it specified what Ji teaches I can understand how someone could move from one art (HwaRangDo?) to another art (Mu Sool Kwan Hapkido?)and perhaps retain their rank. After all Hapkido has likewise become a more generic term nowadays. But I don't quite understand how someone moves from organization to organization and notches up a dan or so each time. And this whole idea of 7th, 8th and 9th dans awarded because someone starts their own kwan or brings a network of schools into an organization is just beyond me. This is where I come to question just what it is that these ranks are suppose to mean. If a person gets a rank for bringing schools into an organization or building a network of schools isn't that a matter for recognizing their business accumin rather than their contribution to the art? If I sit in my office each day and mail-out certificates to whoever writes me from somewhere on the other side of the globe, say Singapore or Malaysia, is this considered a contribution to the art? I guess that is becoming the crux of my question, then. For all of these high ranks and standing, and all of these organizations I am having a hard time understanding how the art has benefitted or improved. Thoughts? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Johnjfitzg@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:28:32 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net CC: difales@comcast.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?UTF-8?Q?Diana=20Fales=E2=80=99=20Introduction?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Diana Fales’ Introduction Hello Diana Fales: Welcome to the "DD." Many of the people on the DD are very knowledgeable of KMA, so you will learn some good information and there are also many different opinions, which can be helpful as well. If you have any questions, you should feel free to post them. You will get some good responses. I am familiar with your school, TMA. My family and I are BB's in TKD. We are friends with one of your instructors, Master Kyung-Soo Lee. We met Master Kyung-Soo Lee when he first arrived in the USA. He was an instructor at our school, H. K. Lee’s TKD Academy in Herndon, VA. He is an excellent instructor and we miss him. Please tell Master Lee hello for us. Thanks John Fitzgerald --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:46:57 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Florida Mountains Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey we got a real problem down here in Florida... we can't go off to the mountains and train,,, the highest elevation down here that resembles a mountain is usually a landfill!! I did just get back from 5 days down in the keys though and I have to tell you that it is very beautiful and spiritual down there....... AUM.........didn't do Hapkido but I ate a lot of Mahi Mahi!!! Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Master Allen" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] The Hapkido chicken or egg? Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:54:51 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you Mike, I have your back on the frag! Master Jeff Allen Chief Instructor President-American Headquarters www.hapkiyoosool.com www.intlhapkido.com International Hapkido Federation ----- Original Message ----- From: michael tomlinson To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] The Hapkido chicken or egg? Ray writes: <> At the risk of starting a forest fire on here... IF Choi Yong Sools records DON'T exist then doesn't that make all the other arguements about rank and 9th dan great grandmasters pubahs and all that who came first and second and third and fourth and fifth and sixth and blah blah blah happy horshsh-t invalid? Who cares about genuine naugahyde? If you can DO Hapkido and you LOVE Hapkido and you are HAPPY with your training then let all the other shiite die... this argument comes around about as often as a Herpes sore on a Florida hookers lip.... I'm tired of it ,, lets fry the Hapkido Egg and Rotissiere the Hapkido Chicken..... what do you say guys,,,, frag it... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Master Allen" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Connections Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:55:39 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net If Frank Clay is in here and He did not say hello to me, I am hurt, I am cryin'.......... Master Jeff Allen Chief Instructor President-American Headquarters www.hapkiyoosool.com www.intlhapkido.com International Hapkido Federation ----- Original Message ----- From: bsims@midwesthapkido.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 7:34 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Connections Dear Patrick: ".....The short story is that I hooked up with GM Lim through Frank Clay. GM Lim was here for a seminar and I was fortunate enough to spend 5 days with him. We are currently working on a schedule where I will visit him in Malaysia annually to suppliment his annual trips here to AL......" Oooopppps. My bad. I didn't realize that he had made it to your area during his visit. Good luck in your training. Best Wishes, Bruce _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Kip McCormick" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: 5th Korean Film Festival in Iowa City Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:29:24 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig- I'm not the most cultured man in the world, so it's hard for me to sit through a lot of the Korean movies, especially when there are no English subtitles (my Korean's pretty lousy). Having said that, I haven't seen any Korean martial arts specific movies. There have been some good action movies that involve martial arts, but no "Hapkido Hero", or "Taekwondo Tough Guy", so to speak. A lot of the Korean soap operas, filled with overacting, have some fight scenes where the hero and bad guy will get into a fight and then throw down -- lot's of flashy kicks, closeups of tear filled eyes, screaming, etc. I think it's just a matter of time, though, before the South Korean film industry comes up w/ a martial arts blockbuster. In nearly 51 years since the signing of the Armistice Agreement over here, these guys have gone to being a 3d world country to a modern society in which everyone has at least one cell phone, drive BMWs, and they're the 12th largest economy in the world. Koreans have a great ability to take something that works and improve on it, and I think the martial arts movie industry is one in which they'll do the same. Maybe Jeff Allen, John Johnson, Klaas, some of the other guys on the DD know better what's over here martial arts movie-wise. "Everybody was Kung Fu fighting....and it was fast as lightening..." Sorry, dated myself. Hope all is well. Kip Kip McCormick Warrior Hapkido Seoul, Korea USKMAF >From: "Stovall, Craig" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: 5th Korean Film Festival in Iowa City >Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:20:27 -0500 > >The post about the film festival got me to wondering. Do they make martial >arts movies in Korea? Obviously, we're all familiar with the tons of >kung-fu movies that have come out of China, and there's been some stuff out >of Japan (Sonny Chiba's work comes to mind) that has made it stateside. I >also hear talk of Arnis/Eskrima movies being made in the Phillipines with >the likes of Roland Dantes being big action stars over there, but I've >never >seen one. Just wondering if the Koreans have their own burgeoning martial >arts film industry that showcases TKD, Hapkido, etc. > > > > >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > >This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information >intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If >this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the >intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, >disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly >prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are >unsure >whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please >immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy >any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of >this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this >communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal >privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the >sender. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Barrie Restall" To: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:41:10 +1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Lee Yong Su Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, Sorry about the photo, I didn't realise they are stripped off (good idea now that I think about it!). The photo came from the extensive personal collection of DJ Kim Yun Sang, I dont know if it is on the web anywhere. I'll let you know if I et anymore info. Regards, Barrie Restall --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Kevin Janisse" To: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:00:16 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Meaning Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was wondering if anyone had a good definition of: "Dahn Jun Ki Bup" The literal translation and theory would be helpful. My own understanding of it is the focus of power and release in the lower abdominal area through breathing (forced or relaxed). Thank you, Sincerely, Kevin Janisse --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: 5th Korean Film Festival in Iowa City To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > The post about the film festival got me to wondering. Do they make martial > arts movies in Korea? Obviously, we're all familiar with the tons of > kung-fu movies that have come out of China, and there's been some stuff out > of Japan (Sonny Chiba's work comes to mind) that has made it stateside. I > also hear talk of Arnis/Eskrima movies being made in the Phillipines with > the likes of Roland Dantes being big action stars over there, but I've never > seen one. Just wondering if the Koreans have their own burgeoning martial > arts film industry that showcases TKD, Hapkido, etc. Have you ever seen the 1973 movie "Hapkido", aka "Lady KungFu"? Don't ask me how they came up with two such different names. Angela Mao, Carter Wong, Sammo Hung, Ing-Sik Whang, Pai Ying... and Gm Ji has a cameo near the beginning. Great technique he demos in his short part. You also see the original eagle logo and a HKD class doing basic kick #1 in the film. :) http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_product.asp?master_movie_id=4744 Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest