Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:11:05 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #194 - 20 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. skip dan-Melissa (Tkdsid@aol.com) 2. RE: skip dan-Melissa (Rick Clark) 3. Uma=yummy (michael tomlinson) 4. Re: school in orlando florida (Christopher Spiller) 5. KMA Knife (Todd Miller) 6. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Conversions?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 7. Re: KMA Knife (Ray Terry) 8. Taekwon Do by Choi Hong HI (Richard Tomlinson) 9. Re: KMA Knife (jeffrey kiral) 10. J> Johnson Master Duque (Richard Tomlinson) 11. Re: korean ma films (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 12. Korean Art Curator's lecture on May 20th (Ray Terry) 13. GM Ji in Connecticut May 22 and 23 (mccarty@hapkidojang.com) 14. Re: Lady Kung Fu (Jesse Segovia) 15. Re: KMA Knife (Ray Terry) 16. 8th 9th 10th dan (Vincent DeSalvo) 17. RE: 8th 9th 10th dan (Jason Thomas (Y!)) 18. RE: Taekwon-Do by Choi Hong Hi (Jason Thomas (Y!)) 19. hapkido techniques (J R Hilland) 20. KHF dan ranking (J R Hilland) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Tkdsid@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 22:17:00 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] skip dan-Melissa Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Anyone that allows temselves to be abused for a long time by a master certainly doesn't deserve promotion due to stupidity. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Rick Clark" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] skip dan-Melissa Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:37:12 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From: Tkdsid@aol.com [mailto:Tkdsid@aol.com] > Anyone that allows temselves to be abused for a long time by a master > certainly doesn't deserve promotion due to stupidity. I can tell you from personal experience I have been a "victim" on more than one occasion and from more than one instructor. BUT that was a long time ago and I was much younger. I started back in 1962 and there were not that many instructors around and I did not have that much experience. You get burned and you think - Oh this new "master" is the real thing and he would NEVER do what the other guy did. But opps there they go again and so sorry you just got the shaft again. Personally I don't have a problem for a skip or skips in dan rank if the circumstances warrant, and I have seen a number of occasions where this is indeed warranted. >From my experience it's not stupidity but rather a faith in another human that is misguided from youth, inexperience, and being a bit naïve. Rick Clark "Illegitimis non carborundum." ("Don't let the bastards grind you down.") -Gen. Joseph Stilwell www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 02:40:35 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Uma=yummy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have to admit Ray, Uma looked very good.....and so did Daryl Hannah... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:41:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: school in orlando florida Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>Hi folks, I have an adult student who will be moving to the Orlando area and wishes to continue training in ITF TaeKwon Do, does anyone know of any schools? Or even Hapkido? She would be willing if she had to to switch over and start new eventhough she has just recieved her brown belt. My main concern is that she ends up in a school of quality and good reputation . Since you folks in the Dojang Digest are definately quality orintated I would trust any suggestions given Thanks! sandy<< As far as ITF Taekwon-Do in Orlando is concerned there is an ATFI-ITF member school there. The contact info is: Dan Mosley Mosley Taekwon-Do USA, Inc USA Orlando, Florida 407-291-3444 Taekwon, Chris __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Todd Miller" To: Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 07:21:35 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] KMA Knife Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "....."Traditional Korean MA is not real heavy on knife defense and is even less so on knife offense. " It is my understanding that the knife was Doju Nim Choi's weapon of choice and he carried a particular knife always. At the Jungki Kwan Knie defenses start at 2nd Dan and Knife attacks come in at 4th and 5th dan. The thing about any kind of training no matter what area is have you done the technique 100,000 times then you can use it at the appropriate time and can adapt to an advanced attacker and there attack! I always hate to hear that does not work after someone has done a technique a few times or even for a few years. This shows lack of patience. Take care Todd Miller Korea Jungki Hapkido & Guhapdo Association www.millersmudo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 07:18:19 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Conversions?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Jeffrey: "......why technique is taught a certain way when he preceded to show us that many techniques can be done from any type of attack...more specifically, the 1/4-turn wristlock takedown was the one we worked with last night. after being on the recieving end as uke for 45 minutes, i am a believer! its just a matter of realizing how to get into the technique, even from seemingly difficult angles of attack like a rear hair grab or a grab of both wrists from behind. any thoughts?......" This without a doubt is one of the most difficult things to teach and was one of the most difficult challenges I had in writing my guep books. Most teachers do not speak to this subject directly but rely on teaching techniques from a variety of attacks, situations, angles, speeds and so forth. In this way the idea of being able to use a particular technique to respond to a wide variety of attacks is "absorbed" by the student over time without actually "teaching" specifics of how this is done. GM Myung uses this approach in Yon Mu Kwan Hapkido by introducing a basic 10 techniques ("ke-bon-su") and then having just about everything else be permutations of these techniques. Now, the Chinese traditions will occasionally focus on this specific movements that produce this sort of interpretive execution. In my level four I introduced the basic 6 movements that are recombined to facilitate this. But it is, again, difficult material to teach intellectually without having a teacher to oversee the process. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KMA Knife To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 07:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > It is my understanding that the knife was Doju Nim Choi's weapon of choice > and he carried a particular knife always. At the Jungki Kwan Knie defenses > start at 2nd Dan and Knife attacks come in at 4th and 5th dan. The thing > about any kind of training no matter what area is have you done the > technique 100,000 times then you can use it at the appropriate time and can > adapt to an advanced attacker and there attack! I always hate to hear that > does not work after someone has done a technique a few times or even for a > few years. This shows lack of patience. 100K is probably even a low number. FMAs are superior in the weapon area because the student starts with weapons on day one. In many other arts you only get to weapons well after 1st Dan, as Todd describes above. Then all too often the person uses a weapon as they would an empty hand, but with a weapon in it. Bad idea... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:13:22 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Taekwon Do by Choi Hong HI Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mattew, the book is worth what the contents hold, meaning from my expierence I have paied anywhere from $40.00 to $200 for material written by this author...the books are a valuable tool for me. sandy --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "jeffrey kiral" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KMA Knife Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:04:36 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net bad idea? isnt a weapon just an extension of your body? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Terry" To: Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KMA Knife > FMAs are superior in the weapon area because the student starts with weapons > on day one. In many other arts you only get to weapons well after 1st > Dan, as Todd describes above. Then all too often the person uses a weapon > as they would an empty hand, but with a weapon in it. Bad idea... > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:18:01 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] J> Johnson Master Duque Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks so much for the info! My next task is to check out the web site.... sandy --__--__-- Message: 11 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:12:29 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: korean ma films Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "For realistic, weapons-based MA I can't recommend Mu Sa highly enough. For the wire-style fantasy MA approach Bi Chun Mu is well worth the watch. In the realm of comedy, My Wife is a Gangster is excellent." anthony, i'll second the vote on those movies. loved all of them. one thing i will say about korean films is that they sure havent fallen in love with happy endings like we have in america...lol. i think i was most impressed with the halberd work in mu sa. amazing. take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Art Curator's lecture on May 20th Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Announcement of a Korean Art Lecture in Portland Speaker: Dr. Kumja Paik Kim, Curator of Korean Art, Asian Art Museum of San Francisco Title: "Art of the Goryeo Period." --2004 Trena Gillette Lecture: Time: Thursday, May 20, 2004, 6:30 p.m. Location: Vanport Room, 334 Smith Memorial Center Portland State University On S.W. Broadway Street and Harrison Street Portland, OR 97201 Free and Open to Public. Reception to follow. Concent of the Lecture: Dr. Kumja Kim curated the special exhibition entitled, "Art of Goryeo Dynasty: Korea's Age of Enlightenment" commemorating the relocation of the Asian Art Museum of San Francisco in Downtown, San Francisco. The international exhibition included many precious paintings and objects from Korea, Japan and United Stated which had never been shown in the United States. She will discuss the arts related to the exhibit. The rule of the Goryeo dynasty lasted from 918 to 1392. In fact, the name Korea is derived from the word Goryeo. During this period Buddhism was the state religion. With Buddhism providing the spiritual and philosophical foundation, Goryeo reached a spectacular level of intellectual and artistic achievement and the country became known to the world beyond its immediate neighbors. The celadons, metal work, lacquer ware, Buddhist paintings, Buddhist sutras, and Buddhist sculptures of that era were highly prized throughout East Asia. For more information: Call 725-8571 or e-mail asianstudies@pdx.edu Best wishes, Junghee Lee Department of Art Portland State University PO Box 751 Portland, OR 97207-0751 voice: 503-725-3347 fax: 503-725-4541 e-mail: dilj@pdx.edu --__--__-- Message: 13 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: mccarty@hapkidojang.com Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Ji in Connecticut May 22 and 23 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Time is running out to register for the Grandmaster Ji, Han Jae seminar in South Windsor, Connecticut May 22 and 23. Details can be found on www.hapkidojang.com. This will be the third year in a row at the his World Sin Moo Hapkido Connecticut Dojang and it's sure to be a great event. Over the past two years GM Ji has been spectacular and the particpants have been nothing short of extrodinary. If your interested, please email me directly. I would be happy to help with your arrangments. I look forward to seeing some of the Digest people at the seminar once again and getting tossed by some new friends along the way. --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:07:11 -0400 From: Jesse Segovia To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Lady Kung Fu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Do you remember what he told you about the film? And how about the back spinning kick where he hooks (and breaks) Sammo Hung's arm with the crook of his leg? Did he say anything about that? I would love to hear some of the stories. Jesse "michael tomlinson" wrote: > One of my fondest memories in Hapkido is after a day of training with Doju Nim Ji at Master Rick Nabors Dojang,, we went back to Master Nabors house and enjoyed a Korean Feast cooked by Master Nabors wife,, after dinner a few of us sat in the living room and watched Lady Kung Fu while Doju Nim Ji talked about different parts of the movie and told us all about the people in the movie!!! Guys you can't even put a price on something like that,, it was awesome and I'll never forget that day,, and neither will the people that were there I'm sure.... --__--__-- Message: 15 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KMA Knife To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 19:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > bad idea? For the most part, yes. > isnt a weapon just an extension of your body? Yes, but it is also so very much more. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 16 From: "Vincent DeSalvo" To: Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 21:18:43 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] 8th 9th 10th dan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >As most organizations have a requirement that you be 2 ranks higher than the >person you promote; as a 1st dan they would not have been able to promote >someone to 1st dan - 2nd kup/kyu would have been the highest rank they could >have promoted. I wonder who came up with this requirement, 2 ranks higher than the person you promote. Why not just one rank higher. Who set this ground rule, someone who wanted to make sure there black belts didn't leave to soon. Home town competition. Maybe a money thing or a way the GM can control who does and doesn't go beyond a 5th or 6th dan. What's the pro and con to this rule, I'm sure there are different opinions on this. --__--__-- Message: 17 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] 8th 9th 10th dan Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:17:14 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I always thought of it as an experience thing. Think of it this way. Do you think a 3rd Dan should be able to promote another to 3rd Dan? If not, should a 4th Dan who got promoted to 4th Dan yesterday be able to promote another to 3rd Dan? Jason -----Original Message----- From: Vincent DeSalvo [mailto:vincentd@nctv.com] Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 9:19 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] 8th 9th 10th dan >As most organizations have a requirement that you be 2 ranks higher than the >person you promote; as a 1st dan they would not have been able to promote >someone to 1st dan - 2nd kup/kyu would have been the highest rank they could >have promoted. I wonder who came up with this requirement, 2 ranks higher than the person you promote. Why not just one rank higher. Who set this ground rule, someone who wanted to make sure there black belts didn't leave to soon. Home town competition. Maybe a money thing or a way the GM can control who does and doesn't go beyond a 5th or 6th dan. What's the pro and con to this rule, I'm sure there are different opinions on this. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 18 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Taekwon-Do by Choi Hong Hi Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:19:38 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Matt, If you check out www.mxbf.com you can search for the book and other "rare" books. The prices tend to be on the high end, but you'll find them from $100 - $200 there depending on condition. Jason -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Clement [mailto:matthewclement@shaw.ca] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 4:54 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Taekwon-Do by Choi Hong Hi Hello, My name is Matthew Clement I'm new to this so bare with me..I was given a green hard cover book the cover has Korean writing on the top in the middle is a stamped fist and at the bottom it says Taekwon-Do..the author is Choi Hong Hi it was published by DAEHA Publication Company: Seoul, Korea in 1965..I looked on Ebay for the value of this book but I could only find other versions printed later..if anyone knows the value of this book could you please get back to me..I'm in no way thinking of selling it I would just like to find out the value of it. Matt :) _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 19 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:37:37 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] hapkido techniques Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net That is the way it is supposed to work. The attack, the technique, and the conclusion are 3 different things. They are however, completely interchangeable. You can apply technique A-Z to any attack with just about any conclusion. There are techniques that work better with certain attacks, but you can insert just about any technique into the center of the equation. The goal is to make all three parts one fluid motion, one technique. There are hundreds, and if you count variations of the same theme, thousands of techniques in hapkido. Jere R. Hilland www.rrhapkido.com www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com <<< ...i went to HKD class last night. my master was showing our highest ranking student teaching method and why technique is taught a certain way when he preceded to show us that many techniques can be done from any type of attack...>>> --__--__-- Message: 20 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:37:39 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] KHF dan ranking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To bad all organizations do not honor this rank as the KHF does. Jere R. Hilland www.rrhapkido.com www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com <<<... Frankly speaking, there is no one who holds 10th Dan in the KHF except one master. He is Master Yong-Jin Kim, ex-Secretary General of the KHF. He passed away 4 years ago, and after his death he was honored to 10th Dan by all Hapkido people. So that means in the KHF the 9th Dan is the highest rank. ... " --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest