Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:12:06 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #201 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: The value of Jeet Kune Do (Stovall, Craig) 2. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Mastery?= (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 3. Re: RE: The value of Jeet Kune Do (Peter "Nighthawk" Lampasona) 4. RE: question for kip (Kip McCormick) 5. RE: Math crazy (Piotr Bernat) 6. LEO training (Brian Beach) 7. RE: TKD Emphasises Kicks? (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 8. Hapkido training (Barrie Restall) 9. Re: RE: "that technique does not work" (jeffrey kiral) 10. not fighting LE / going to the ground update (tntcombatives@comcast.net) 11. Re: TKD Emphasises Kicks? (jeffrey kiral) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:26:51 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: The value of Jeet Kune Do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> I can almost guarantee what I'm about to say is not what you're looking for, but I'll chime in. In my very honest OPINION, to try and apply the "philosophies of Jeet Kune Do" to any pre-existing style is to entirely miss the boat in terms of what Bruce Lee was talking about through the JKD concept. Now, I understand folks taking technical aspects from "JKD curriculums" and changing up their game within their existing style, and I have to admit to taking part in some of that myself...nothing wrong with that, per se. But, if you're talking about the core philosophy behind JKD...no, I don't see how you can just cut-and-paste it on top of an established style. Here's where I get preachy... Everybody loves to talk about how Bruce Lee made a bunch of technical innovations in terms of techniques and mixing material, and he was indeed way ahead of his time in that regard. But to understand the WHY behind all of that technical innovation, you have to understand what Lee was ultimately aiming at. Lee wanted people to understand combat for "what it is"...to understand the true nature of fighting. Lee was highly influenced by folks like Alan Watts who were trying to teach people to "get it". What Watts wanted people to "get" is the fact that we largely create our own reality. In other words, we don't really experience "the world" that's "out there", but rather we perceive "it" through various filters. These filters consist of ideas, beliefs, prejudices, emotions, thoughts, inclinations, social conditioning, gender roles, ego consciousness, etc. Ultimately, we don't see "the world"...we only see what comes through the filters. Lee saw styles as filters...or, what he liked to call "the classical mess". It was his belief that one could not see fighting for what it "really is" until liberated from the filtering effect of one's chosen style. Talk to a boxer, TKD person, and a Jiu-jitsu man about fighting...you will generally get three entirely different views of reality. This is because they will talk/think about combat through the filter of their style, and not speak directly to the "thing" itself. Lee was of the opinion that 99% of "martial artists" didn't really understand fighting in its "isness" because fighting does not conform to the limitations of any particular style. To understand fighting, one has to approach it as an objective observer, not as a stylistic practitioner. It's one thing to get what Lee was saying, acknowledge it, and go about one's merry way. It's an entirely different thing to actually DO what he was talking about. To really "get it" (per my interpretation) is to liberate oneself from any and all stylistic prejudices, and break free from any limitations (physical or mental) that come from stylistic devotion. How can we apply "JKD Philosophy" to a style...the very thing that we are trying to liberate ourselves from? Things really get hairy because different people mean different things when they use the term "JKD". To some, it refers to the modified gung-fu/kickboxing that a JKD Concepts person might refer to as Lee Jun Fan. To some, it refers to an art that Bruce Lee did at a particular time (Seattle years, Oakland years, etc). To some, it refers to what he did on-screen (hard to believe...but true). To some, it refers only to the philosophy behind the physical art. And on, and on, and on... Last two thoughts...the WORST thing you can do (in terms of "getting it") is trying to repeat what he did verbatim. I hope the obviousness of that is apparent, but I know there's still a lot of people out there that can tell you what Lee ate for breakfast during a particular phase in his life. Finally, reading a little Alan Watts, Krishnamurti, various works on Zen and Taoism, is WAY more productive in terms of trying to "get" where Lee was coming from than reading 'The Tao of JKD' 100 times (remember those breakfast fanatics). Lee's notes are essential to understanding HIS path, but it really helps to go straight to the source of his inspiration in terms of trying to develop one's own liberated approach to martial arts. I know a lot of people try to obsess over the technical aspects of what usually falls under the "JKD umbrella" (I know I did for a LONG time), but this will never lead to the liberation of the "creative individual" that Lee was driving at. In the end, this is nothing more than an opinion based upon my particular experiences, training, research, and interpretation. And five years from now I may tell you something different...because I sure would have told you something different five years ago. To me, it's like life...always in flux. Who knows? After it's all said and done, I just train in a manner that satisfies me these days. I hope this is taken in a helpful spirit...that's how I intended it. 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Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:51:26 -0500 (CDT) From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Mastery?= Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Danny: "...... And there is a big difference in knowing some basics, being proficient in basics and in mastery. So I think the question is what level of proficiency do we call mastery....." Actually, no, I wasn't playing devils' advocate. What you got out of my anecdote was exactly my point. There is most definitely a difference between being familiar with a technique, being competent with a technique and having mastered a technique. You will never hear me speak against people striving to master a technique as I believe this is the backbone of taking on a warrior lifestyle. The disconnect, for me, is found in people wanting mastery from students early-on and witholding material in the name of mastery when competence is acceptable. This on of the reasons I don't micro-manage my students in class. I remember my Kwan jang telling me when I first started that people in Kumdo rarely made 4th dan within the first 15 to 20 years. That means that a person would train in the basics for 20 years before ever moving on the more sophisticated material. What the heck is THAT? I wonder how much great material has been lost b ecause of this artificial limit. Getting back to the conscripts, of course, you are right. Nobody expected them to "master" their weapon in 90 days. They got the basics and if they survived they learned from the experience and built on that. What I don't buy is that people studied for years and years and years to master their art before they ever were exposed to the need to use it. Just doesn't follow. I think a lot of the time requirements have a lot more to do with commerce that mastery. Thoughts? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Peter \"Nighthawk\" Lampasona" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: The value of Jeet Kune Do Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:54:24 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net First off, I'd like to thank everyone who replied, it was quite helpful. I probably should have made it clear that, for what I asked, the fact that any answer I got represents what someone in the martial arts community thinks makes it all equally usefull for what I was going for. As for Mr. Storvall, as hypocritical as it is to be talking about JKD and have an expected response, in terms of the information that I already have versus the information I needed to collect from the martial arts community, that is very much something I wanted to hear. So much so that your response put a pretty tidy button on everything I had been working on. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:26 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: The value of Jeet Kune Do > << have been a big issue to all the martial arts communities I've dealt with. > While its basis is in Chinese Martial arts, rather than Korean, there is no > denying that Jeet Kune Do has had an impact on various martial arts > curriculums. So, I'd like to know what you think about it. The value of > adapting the philosophies of Jeet Kune Do to Korean styles. Has any of it > had an affect on your execution or the way you teach, personally? I'd really > like to get a more poersonal idea of what this community's reaction has been > to it.>>> > > > > I can almost guarantee what I'm about to say is not what you're looking for, > but I'll chime in. In my very honest OPINION, to try and apply the > "philosophies of Jeet Kune Do" to any pre-existing style is to entirely miss > the boat in terms of what Bruce Lee was talking about through the JKD > concept. Now, I understand folks taking technical aspects from "JKD > curriculums" and changing up their game within their existing style, and I > have to admit to taking part in some of that myself...nothing wrong with > that, per se. But, if you're talking about the core philosophy behind > JKD...no, I don't see how you can just cut-and-paste it on top of an > established style. Here's where I get preachy... > > > > Everybody loves to talk about how Bruce Lee made a bunch of technical > innovations in terms of techniques and mixing material, and he was indeed > way ahead of his time in that regard. But to understand the WHY behind all > of that technical innovation, you have to understand what Lee was ultimately > aiming at. Lee wanted people to understand combat for "what it is"...to > understand the true nature of fighting. Lee was highly influenced by folks > like Alan Watts who were trying to teach people to "get it". What Watts > wanted people to "get" is the fact that we largely create our own reality. > In other words, we don't really experience "the world" that's "out there", > but rather we perceive "it" through various filters. These filters consist > of ideas, beliefs, prejudices, emotions, thoughts, inclinations, social > conditioning, gender roles, ego consciousness, etc. Ultimately, we don't > see "the world"...we only see what comes through the filters. > > > > Lee saw styles as filters...or, what he liked to call "the classical mess". > It was his belief that one could not see fighting for what it "really is" > until liberated from the filtering effect of one's chosen style. Talk to a > boxer, TKD person, and a Jiu-jitsu man about fighting...you will generally > get three entirely different views of reality. This is because they will > talk/think about combat through the filter of their style, and not speak > directly to the "thing" itself. Lee was of the opinion that 99% of "martial > artists" didn't really understand fighting in its "isness" because fighting > does not conform to the limitations of any particular style. To understand > fighting, one has to approach it as an objective observer, not as a > stylistic practitioner. > > > > It's one thing to get what Lee was saying, acknowledge it, and go about > one's merry way. It's an entirely different thing to actually DO what he > was talking about. To really "get it" (per my interpretation) is to > liberate oneself from any and all stylistic prejudices, and break free from > any limitations (physical or mental) that come from stylistic devotion. How > can we apply "JKD Philosophy" to a style...the very thing that we are trying > to liberate ourselves from? > > > > Things really get hairy because different people mean different things when > they use the term "JKD". To some, it refers to the modified > gung-fu/kickboxing that a JKD Concepts person might refer to as Lee Jun Fan. > To some, it refers to an art that Bruce Lee did at a particular time > (Seattle years, Oakland years, etc). To some, it refers to what he did > on-screen (hard to believe...but true). To some, it refers only to the > philosophy behind the physical art. And on, and on, and on... > > > > Last two thoughts...the WORST thing you can do (in terms of "getting it") is > trying to repeat what he did verbatim. I hope the obviousness of that is > apparent, but I know there's still a lot of people out there that can tell > you what Lee ate for breakfast during a particular phase in his life. > Finally, reading a little Alan Watts, Krishnamurti, various works on Zen and > Taoism, is WAY more productive in terms of trying to "get" where Lee was > coming from than reading 'The Tao of JKD' 100 times (remember those > breakfast fanatics). Lee's notes are essential to understanding HIS path, > but it really helps to go straight to the source of his inspiration in terms > of trying to develop one's own liberated approach to martial arts. I know > a lot of people try to obsess over the technical aspects of what usually > falls under the "JKD umbrella" (I know I did for a LONG time), but this will > never lead to the liberation of the "creative individual" that Lee was > driving at. > > > > In the end, this is nothing more than an opinion based upon my particular > experiences, training, research, and interpretation. And five years from > now I may tell you something different...because I sure would have told you > something different five years ago. To me, it's like life...always in flux. > Who knows? After it's all said and done, I just train in a manner that > satisfies me these days. > > > > I hope this is taken in a helpful spirit...that's how I intended it. > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information > intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If > this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure > whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please > immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy > any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of > this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this > communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal > privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Kip McCormick" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] question for kip Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:59:59 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ah, fellow DD math challenged folks, I did leave out some fundamental and necessary facts for solving this equation. The beer was actually a low carb beer to offset the moonpies' carbs. BUT the moonpies were -- get this -- banana flavored and not low carb...Timo's pet pig Reggie, by the way, is low carb and that needs to be figured into the equation. Also, Reggie the pig got his black belt after one year of hard throwing down at a Korean dojang outside of Seoul. All factors have now been considered, Love, Peace, and Chicken Grease. Now, off to wash my sweat filled armpits and never to do math again! Kip >From: "Michael Whalen" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: "dojang digest" >Subject: [The_Dojang] question for kip >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:27:42 -0500 > >Kip, >How can you expect me to solve this equation if you don't give me the >most important facts? Were the moonpies chocolate or vanilla? And is >there any beer on this train? > >michael whalen KSWnut >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Test your ‘Travel Quotient’ and get the chance to win your dream trip! http://travel.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Piotr Bernat" To: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:08:16 +0200 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Math crazy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Actually he's going to need another month for "Koryo" poomse > 8 Taegueks + Koryo AFAIK, Koryo is not in Kukkiwon requirements for 1st Dan. Piotr Bernat www.taekwondo.prv.pl --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Brian Beach Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:35:11 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] LEO training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On Apr 21, 2004, at 2:48 PM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > I bring the sceptics to the police courses as assistants. Good for > them to Uke for the LEOs! Always a good time. > How many of you have a techniques for LEO as part of your curriculum? I have been the "bad guy" in a few of our training sessions. Being a victim of TV and movies, I was surprised how difficult it is to actually cuff someone, especially when you add the squirm factor. Most officers relay that the HTH that they receive at the police academy is minimal and not all that useful. Brian Beach --__--__-- Message: 7 From: PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] TKD Emphasises Kicks? Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:05:40 +0100 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net perhaps it comes from the original Korean MA called TaeyKwun [not sure about the spelling] well anyway from my limited understanding it was virtually all kicking. -----Original Message----- From: Lasich, Mark D. [mailto:Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com] Sent: 31 March 2004 14:01 To: Dojang (E-mail) Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD Emphasizes Kicks? I have heard this time and time again - in fact I have probably said it myself: Taekwondo emphasizes kicks! What does this really mean? The Songahm TKD white belt form has 18 moves, 4 of which are kicks. 22% Cho Dan form has 81 moves, 19 of which are kicks. 23% If I remember correctly, the Chang Hun forms do not introduce kicks in the first several forms. TSD (I know, we're talking about TKD, but still.....) it's not until PyungAhn Ee dan! Even then, I wouldn't say the percentage of kicks would be indicative of "emphasizing" kicks! So where does this phrase come from????? Sparring? I would hope so. I for one would much rather utilize a tool-set that gives me more reach, while keeping the bulk of me at a safer distance. Can the non-TKD players out there comment on their sparring style? Is it closer in, lending itself to more hand techniques and take downs? Even after a take down, I would still want to kick (it's easier when they are on the floor ;-) Does this come from TKD in comparison to non-Korean arts? Chinese perhaps - while I don't have any experience, I "sense" there is more of an emphasis on hand techniques in Chinese arts. Why not say Tai Chi emphasizes hand techniques????? Just curious where the phrase "TKD Emphasizes Kicks" really, really comes from. In the spirit, Mark _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the number given, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Barrie Restall" To: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:32:51 +1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi William, There is a small Hapkido club in Mullumbimby run by a guy called Dom (I'm sorry I dont have a phone number for him); another bigger club in Byron Bay which has classes every night of the week (phone Shirsha 66 858 181 A/H 66 855 289) another at Murwillumbah (ph 66 766 551 or 6672 4240 or 0418 436 172). These clubs are part of the Australian Hapkido Association and co-operate for gradings, training camps etc. They have good connections in Korea and arrange frequent visits. You would be very welcome. Regards, Barrie Restall --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "jeffrey kiral" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: "that technique does not work" Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:05:52 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net you probably dont see "mr. aikido" because there really doesnt seem to be a "mr. aikido" in the UFC...only seems to be a "mr. i-took-3-months-of-training-in-every-style-i-could"....which brings me to two things....first, these fighters have taken a little bit of material from several arts and use it for NHB fighting, so they have not gotten a complete art, just a "smithering" of some useful fighting stuff. second, doesnt this go back to the whole competent, proficient, mastery thing? how come you rarely see a 3rd dan HKD or a high ranking aikido practicioner in these events? is it really because tha traditional MA's dont work? i dont think so....what if one of these high ranking masters of a single style were in these competitions? dont you think he would be able to use his "traditional" skills or techniques effectively? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: "that technique does not work" > > Go and reference Article 8 of the official rules of Pride FC. There is no > prohibition against any sort of small joint manipulation, or joint locks > from a standing position. The UFC is watered down so that they could get > back on DirecTV, and our state athletic commissions are a bit picky in this > country. However, stuff like Pride and IVC are pretty close to true Vale > Tudo, soooooooo I don't see what's stopping Mr. Aikido from going in there > and throwing everyone around by their wrist and elbow. > > I don't discount joint/limb manipulation from a standing position. I still > train a bit of it myself. My question is why we don't see more of it. I'm > not convinced that it's absence is because of prohibitive rules. > > > > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: tntcombatives@comcast.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:03:45 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] not fighting LE / going to the ground update Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> I knew I would get a smile out of this topic. Do you think that as a person goes through the decision making process and build up to physical confrontation with police that they are worried about the consequenses? Do you think that the decision to fight (mostly empty handed) someone who is wearing a badge, kevlar, baton, OC, taser, and a gun and ammo is made out of a clear mind? People that make the decision to fight an armed officer do so out of desperation and the belief that they have nothing to lose. Most of the fights I have been in as a LEO have been with very sane people who make an informed decision to fight. The crazy ones dont usually realize the person they are fighting is LE. In my experience, the only time they start appologizing is when you are writing your arrest affidavit to charge them with the various crimes that go along with being a moron....or right after they receive a 50000 volt taser blast. On a side note, some of you remember that I was keeping track of the fights I respond to. In 100% of my on-duty fights, it has gone to the ground by my choice. In fights involving other people fighting w/each other, only about 10% have gone to the ground by choice of one of the fighters and in the others, 20% have tripped and fallen. -- Mark Gajdostik TNT-Police Combatives 503-887-9351 --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "jeffrey kiral" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TKD Emphasises Kicks? Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:10:54 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net i would say that in our HKD class you could call our sparring styles "adaptive"....assess what your opponent is doing and react accordingly...its always different, but we try to attack our opponents weaknesses...if he wants to box, kick him...if he wants to grapple, box him or kick him to keep him out of range, if he wants to kick, get in close and grapple him, etc. whatever works best and fits you as a person. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:05 PM Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] TKD Emphasises Kicks? > perhaps it comes from the original Korean MA called TaeyKwun [not sure about > the spelling] well anyway from my limited understanding it was virtually all > kicking. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lasich, Mark D. [mailto:Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com] > Sent: 31 March 2004 14:01 > To: Dojang (E-mail) > Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD Emphasizes Kicks? > > > I have heard this time and time again - in fact I have probably said it > myself: Taekwondo emphasizes kicks! > > What does this really mean? > > The Songahm TKD white belt form has 18 moves, 4 of which are kicks. 22% > Cho Dan form has 81 moves, 19 of which are kicks. 23% > > If I remember correctly, the Chang Hun forms do not introduce kicks in the > first several forms. TSD (I know, we're talking about TKD, but still.....) > it's not until PyungAhn Ee dan! Even then, I wouldn't say the percentage of > kicks would be indicative of "emphasizing" kicks! > > So where does this phrase come from????? Sparring? I would hope so. I for > one would much rather utilize a tool-set that gives me more reach, while > keeping the bulk of me at a safer distance. > > Can the non-TKD players out there comment on their sparring style? Is it > closer in, lending itself to more hand techniques and take downs? Even after > a take down, I would still want to kick (it's easier when they are on the > floor ;-) > > Does this come from TKD in comparison to non-Korean arts? Chinese perhaps - > while I don't have any experience, I "sense" there is more of an emphasis on > hand techniques in Chinese arts. Why not say Tai Chi emphasizes hand > techniques????? > > Just curious where the phrase "TKD Emphasizes Kicks" really, really comes > from. > > In the spirit, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > **************************************************************************** > > > SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES > > Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety > > This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that > you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. > If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone > the number given, reversing the charges if necessary. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest