Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 03:01:50 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #215 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Opinion on ATA (Eric VanSickle) 2. RE: Sine Wave and things.. (Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy) 3. Re: Opinion on ATA (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Eric VanSickle" To: "The Dojang" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:32:11 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Opinion on ATA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings: I started my studies in tae kwon do on Dec. 1, 2003, and now hold the rank of 7th-grade yellow belt in the ATA Songahm style. I've just joined this list a few days ago, but now I see some people start to trash the organization I've joined not too long ago. Of course, I don't have much choice as to which style to study, as I live in a small town and the only tae kwon do style I see taught within six counties is ATA Songahm. I was introduced briefly to WTF tae kwon do in a self-defense course for PE credit in college. I am enjoying my ATA training, but I'm wondering what some people have against ATA. Eternal Grand Master H.U. Lee established this form of tae kwon do because he felt organizations like WTF, ITF and others weren't teaching the art the way they should. When I was reading into it at www.ataonline.com, it seems EGM Lee felt doing side kicks, which in WTF is an orange/white belt skill, should be done in the white belt level. What do you guys think about the ATA (and its affiliates World Traditional Taekwondo Union and Songahm Taekwondo Federation)? Eric VanSickle 7th-grade Yellow Belt (Decided) (ATA) Britt, Iowa --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:53:18 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Sine Wave and things.. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dakin: Thanks for making me look at the Sine Wave in a little bit different light. Yes, I guess it could allow the executioner of the technique to hit harder. But, I'm a believer that speed along with the proper hip rotation can also generate just as much power. So why not move in a straight line in order to get there and execute it faster? I can see both sides though. IMHO, both are right. Like Master Hodder would say "Don't empty your cup. Just get another cup!" Yeah, Gen Choi didn't have alot of weight. I couldn't believe how small he was when I met him back in '89. But by looking at his knuckles when he shook my hand I damn well knew the man knew how to generate power and I'm sure he took plenty of it out on a few trees, walls, and skulls in his lifetime! Rudy: Sir, congratulations on your promotion! You are truly an inspiration to all. To make it to the top of the Dan Mountain must be quite a thrill. James Morgan GTKDA --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Opinion on ATA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I started my studies in tae kwon do on Dec. 1, 2003, and now hold the rank > of 7th-grade yellow belt in the ATA Songahm style. I've just joined this > list a few days ago, but now I see some people start to trash the > organization I've joined not too long ago. Of course, I don't have much > choice as to which style to study, as I live in a small town and the only > tae kwon do style I see taught within six counties is ATA Songahm. imho, what really matters is that you enjoy your introductory training, that you're challenged and that you reach your goals. Also consider politics... Kukkiwon people trash ITFers, and vice versa. Hwarang Do people trash Hapkido people, and vice versa. etc. Don't be overly concerned about it at this point. > I am enjoying my ATA training, but I'm wondering what some people have > against ATA. Eternal Grand Master H.U. Lee established this form of tae > kwon do because he felt organizations like WTF, ITF and others weren't > teaching the art the way they should. Umm... ATA marketing hype. He established the ATA to make money. Bottom line. > When I was reading into it at > www.ataonline.com, it seems EGM Lee felt doing side kicks, which in WTF is > an orange/white belt skill, should be done in the white belt level. Here the ATA took a page out of the ITF's book by establishing a clear and documented syllabus, i.e. exactly when you learn what. Very good when transfering to another school within the same org. As for the side kick, it will be taught at different levels at different Kukki-Taekwondo schools. (Calling them WTF schools isn't entirely accurate.) Enjoy your training! Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest