Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 15:01:04 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #222 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Ray Terry on C stance (George Peters) 2. BANG TV (Nathan Miller) 3. RE: running from the knife attack (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 4. RE: What type of students do you prefer? (Martin Von Cannon) 5. Hackworth article (Nathan Miller) 6. Knee Issues (Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)) 7. Ohio (Ray Terry) 8. recent KHF changes ? (Ray Terry) 9. RE: recent KHF changes ? (John Johnson) 10. New to the list.... (Kevin) 11. chubby article (Ray Terry) 12. Korean Workers (Ray Terry) 13. RE: Mr. Pellegrini (Michael Rowe) 14. RE: RE: General Choi "hating" Sine Wave (Jason Thomas (Y!)) 15. Catch a Wave... (Farral, Kim) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 23:20:22 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ray Terry on C stance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, May I add that not only is the TSD practitioner to keep his/her head level from front stance to front stance, I was taught by Choong Jae Nim C.S. Kim that ALL stances should be that same height even when stances are mixed in a form. This is a hard thing for the artist whose front stance is so low that their buttocks almost touch the mat, as one can only imagine their chagrin when advised of not only the impractical nature of a stance this exaggerated, the reaction when they try to make a good hu gul jase or kee mah jase this same height. Anyway, this always seems to be a hard lesson for red belts too. Just my 2c. Respectfully, George Peters _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with the new version of MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 23:30:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan Miller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] BANG TV Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello again... First of all, my apologies Melinda. :-) I didn't mean it to be the sweeping comment that it was; it was just pretty obvious from the "leave at side door" note in the address field on the magazine what the source was. Still can't find that magazine, though I'm still looking. Doing a quick Google search turns up a couple of things, though: http://www.dory-funk.com/today-41.html There's a comment there about NWA commisoner Richard Hackworth. Same guy? Maybe. Then this: http://www.nwaflorida.com/tack/behrensII.html Interview with another NWA guy down Florida way that mentions a Dr. Richard Hackworth. So, appears, as someone else mentioned, BANG TV is a wrestling show. Why Hackworth is involved... well, your guess is probably better than mine. Nathan --__--__-- Message: 3 From: PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] running from the knife attack Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 13:30:19 +0100 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net there could be another option. if it is possible to 'talk them down' then you may not have to run. however if that doesn't work then my plan would be strike first, strike hard! perhaps to the eyes knees or groin. so that if I do have to make my escape I would have a greater head start. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Hamilton [mailto:chamilton@ezlock.net] Sent: 30 April 2004 21:03 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] running from the knife attack <> Thank God I have never been attacked by a knife wielding assailant (been threatened by a few however), but I have heard from several sources (that I cannot readily recall) that running is one of the worst things you could do. I guess that would depend on the situation. Chris HMD in BR _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the number given, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Martin Von Cannon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] What type of students do you prefer? Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 06:11:00 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Metzner and All, I, like Mr. McCormick, teach near two military installations (Ft. Lewis & McChord AFB). I have had members in my class. I do not teach strictly to them. I teach to the masses. I have found what Mr. McCormick said to be true. Not all military members are as you described. Some actually fit in your second description. Very introverted and some with very low self-esteem. My answer to this question is truley both. It is not a cop out answer, it is a fact. I have a hard-core infantryman train right next to the timid house wife. They both learn off of each other. One how to be more aggressive, the other how to be passive. You might be surprised at the results this produces. I know I was. - Martin Von Cannon Instructor Tacoma, WA. Dojang A Black Belt is more than something you wear. It's more than something you earn. A Black Belt is something you become. -----Original Message----- From: Kip McCormick [mailto:kiplindakorea@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 3:17 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] What type of students do you prefer? Tom- I teach military only -- I'm a soldier and all of my students are from all branches of the service. I need to blow a hole in your theoretical ideal of military personnel. Remember that they are a sampling of American society, meaning not all are big, strong, disciplined, quick learners, respectful, etc... Having said that, I love teaching military folks for one reason: focus. I've noticed a big difference with their focus in the past year, especially w.r.t. what's going on w/ the war on terrorism. The air force navigator who trains with me said he's doing so because, "when I'm shot down and have nothing but my cool haircut and my hands, I want to be able to defend myself." I don't know about the cool haircut, but I do know that he's a focused individual on learning what will keep him alive on a battlefield with no boundaries. The marines I train are fantastic and come closest to your ideal of what military personnel are. The army hooahs who train with me range from infantrymen to quartermasters, ranks from private to lieutenant colonel, and all of them truly want to learn. Most of my guys will rotate to Iraq, so we work a lot of realistic, practical techniques they can do in full gear -- no flash allowed. How it's helped me as an instructor is that they are real quick to wave the "BS" flag if they think a technique is too flashy or technical for the battlefield. I have to do some, but not a lot, of the "prove it to me" with these guys. I find the biggest guy, do the technique, and they're believers. I've posted before on this topic -- if you're near a military base or national guard armory, offer your services to these great men and women. You won't be disappointed. Your question is theoretical -- otherwise, I'd say "both," simply because I love to teach and I see great challenges and rewards from teaching (and learning) from all walks of life. Kip Kip McCormick, LTC, US Army "Warrior Hapkido" USKMAF, Seoul Korea >More importantly, I wanted to ask a question for students and instructors >out >there. What type of class would you rather teach (train in)? 1) a class of >former military personnel, big, strong, disciplined, quick learners, >respectful and already quite capable of defending themselves; or 2) a class >of >low self esteem, shy, quiet, meek but interested, energy draining, >uncoordinated nerd types who have never stood up for themselves. Don't cop >out >and say both or a mix, in this theorectical you can only choose one of the >two. > >I am interested in your opinions. > >Tom Metzner >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Getting married? Find tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 06:15:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan Miller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hackworth article Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Finally found that magazine... sitting on top of my monitor. Don't you hate those times? The title of the mag is "Martial Arts Professional" subbed "The Trade Journal of the Martial Arts Industry." April/May 2004 issue. Published by NAPMA, LLC (www.napma.com), Clearwater, FL. Editor: John Corcoran. President of NAPMA: Rob Colasanti. Among their columnists is Keith D. Yates. The article... more of a sidebar, really.... MARTIAL ARTS MASTER FEATURED IN NEW TV SHOW Ocoee, FL - Taekwondo and hapkido grandmaster, Richard Hackworth, whose American Dragon Martial Arts Academy is based here, has reportedly just signed a multi-year, 156-show deal to appear on the Bang TV Show to be broadcast on UPN and Fox Television. Said Bang Producer Marti Funk, "We are excited about Richard's participation in the show. He will not only be one of the stars of the show, but a valuable asset to our creative development team as well. As a professional writer and radio personality, he has worldwide name recognition and we believe that the TV show ill benefit from hits international notoriety as a martial arts expert." Hackworth will continue to instruct daily at his school and also produce his weekly radio show, called Martial Arts Success with Richard Hackworth, for the Martial Arts Radio Network based in Florida. BANG producers will be auditioning more martial artists in June for the upcoming fall TV season. So... there you go. My annual contribution to the list. :-) Nathan --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:28:43 -0400 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Knee Issues Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Burdick wrote: "To correct this, I strengthened the muscles around the knees so they help support the problem area. Haven't had problems with it for years as a result. Your mileage may vary!" I am currently fighting some knee issues. I have to wear knee supports when I run and do martial arts; otherwise my knees will be hurting. When I wear the supports, there is no pain during or after workouts. I am curious to the exact exercises you used to strengthen the muscles around the knee. I have another question for anyone out there. Does anyone have a successful method for preventing "shin splints"? Otherwise I'm buying stock in Alieve pain reliever! :o) Thanks in advance Brian Woodard --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 07:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Ohio Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net fyi... I'm headed off to Ohio again tomorrow, teaching some seminars in the Ohio/Kentucky/WestbyGodVirginia area. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 08:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] recent KHF changes ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I understand that within the last few days there have been some big changes within the KHF org in Korea. Anyone care to fill us in with more details? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "John Johnson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] recent KHF changes ? Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 16:39:55 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, There will be some announcements made in the near future. I promise to include everything I can here as well as the official KHF English Web site www.hapkidokorea.org. Thanks for your interest and concern. John A. Johnson International Relations Director KHF IT Team >From: Ray Terry >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) >Subject: [The_Dojang] recent KHF changes ? >Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 08:07:04 -0700 (PDT) > >I understand that within the last few days there have been some big changes >within the KHF org in Korea. > >Anyone care to fill us in with more details? > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Mother’s Day is May 9. Make it special with great ideas from the Mother’s Day Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04mothersday.armx --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 13:02:34 -0400 From: Kevin To: The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] New to the list.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello to the list, I am new to the list and TKD (or any other MA) as well. Does any one have any tips for a 30 year old newbie? (Other than practice ;) ) Mostly I wanted to introduce myself. Hi I'm Kevin. -Kevin --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 08:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] chubby article Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Said Bang Producer Marti Funk, "We are excited about > Richard's participation in the show. He will not only > be one of the stars of the show, but a valuable asset > to our creative development team as well. As a > professional writer and radio personality, he has > worldwide name recognition and we believe that the TV > show ill benefit from hits international notoriety as > a martial arts expert." This is just too funny... But at least we know that pro-wrestling is more real than the chubby wannabe. :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 11:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Workers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Korean Workers: The Culture and Politics of Class Formation, by Hagen Koo, 2001. Ithaca & London: Cornell University Press. 240 + xii pages. (ISBN 0-8014-8696-3). Reviewed by Changzoo Song University of Auckland ch.song@auckland.ac.nz This book aims to explain how South Korean workers have developed their class consciousness in the last three decades. Borrowing E.P.Thompson's thesis, the author argues that working class identity is not simply a product of structural forces, but grows through the daily experiences and struggles of workers themselves. In describing the development of class consciousness among Korean workers, the author elucidates how the once-docile labour force of South Korea developed into a militant social force in the 1980s, and then gradually lost its militancy in the 1990s. The author uses not only conventional literature but also relies on personal accounts from workers and union leaders, drawing on in-depth interviews and diaries. According to the author, female workers were the main force of the labour movement through the 1970s and the early 1980s and called upon the support of progressive churches, intellectuals, and especially students-turned-workers (hakchul). The oppression of workers was obvious in manifold spheres: their low wages and the inhumane treatment they received, society's disdainful attitude toward manual labour, and the state's hostility to their needs, which meant a consequent restriction on union activities. The author argues that the militancy of Korean worker movements in the 1970s and 1980s is explained by these various forms of oppression they experienced, as outlined above, rather than by economic exploitation, and that in such an environment labour movements were sporadic and violent. In Koo's view, South Korean workers' demands focused on humane treatment and the freedom to organize democratic unions rather than wage increases. Written with insight and incisive analyses, this excellent book has many merits. First of all, the author's use of personal narratives brings out the voice of workers, a feature largely absent in academic accounts of Korea's economic development. This emphasis on the human aspects of development gives this excellent book greater power. A second virtue is the book's incorporation of cultural explanations for the labour movements in Korea. The author describes the Confucian disdain for manual labour aggravated workers' resentment and their plight. In particular, Koo offers an original explanation for the movement's militancy through reference to han, that sense of injustice which has been a central organizing construct of popular Korean discourse, and hanp'uri (the act of releasing han). Thirdly, the book's adoption of comparative perspectives is another strength. Koo compares the development of a South Korean working class with the situation in England and other East Asian countries. In dealing with the status of Korea's working class, the author contrasts the artisan tradition of Europe, which conveyed privilege and power upon the artisan class, with quite opposite Confucian attitudes towards manual labour in Korea. In addition, the author also compares work ethics and the ideologies of union leaders in Japan and Korea. While the book has many merits, it is not completely free of weaknesses. The book's examination of the decline of labour militancy in the 1990s lacks comprehensive analysis. The author maintains that numerous developments made South Korean labour less militant in the 1990s: the improved status of the working class both in terms of wages and its freedom to organize unions, new strategies of management, division within the working class, and changes in state policy toward industrial relations. Nonetheless, in making such claims, the author neglects factors he himself explicated earlier in the book. For example, he claims that through the Great Struggle of 1987 Korean workers released their han (pages 160, 186) and at least partially achieved their goal of more humane treatment and increased wages. One might thus suspect that declined labour militancy results from such release of han. What of the democratisation of South Korean society in the 1990s? In previous chapters the author contends that an oppressive and hostile culture fosters militant labour movements (p.13). South Korea's recent democratisation, however shallow it might be, did bring important changes in many areas of society, including workers' attitudes toward radical activism. The case of labour activist and poet Pak No-hae, whom the author quotes in an earlier chapter (pp.147-8), is an example: Pak abandoned his past radicalism and called for broader democratization of Korean culture upon release from prison in 1998. The author also neglects to mention important external factors such as the collapse of socialism in Eastern Europe at the end of the 1980s, and the influx of foreign workers to South Korea in the 1990s. The dissolution of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War was the main force behind the weakening of leftist movements all over the world. The issue of foreign workers, both legal and illegal, is not mentioned at all in this book in spite of its important role in changes made in the 1990s, such as Korean labour's avoidance of the so-called "3D" jobs and a growing class division among Korea's work force in the 1990s between "regular and irregular, core and periphery, protected and unprotected" workers (p.216). Neither does the book go far enough with its comparative perspective. For example, despite the book's focus on the "exceptional" militant Korean workers (p. 7), it does not explore this exceptionalism from a comparative perspective. Why such militancy in contrast to the relative docility and submissiveness of workers of other East Asian countries? This crucial question would have benefited from a juxtaposition of the Korean situation with those of Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore, the other East Asian "tigers." In conclusion, however, I wish to emphasize that the shortcomings I have outlined are minor compared to the book's numerous strengths. Korean Workers: The culture and politics of class formation offers a significant contribution to the study of not merely Korea's working class, economic and political changes, but to the study of labour in a global perspective. Citation: Song, Changzoo. 2004 Korean Workers: The Culture and Politics of Class Formation, by Hagen Koo, 2001 Korean Studies Review 2004, no. 08 Electronic file: http://koreaweb.ws/ks/ksr/ksr04-08.htm --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Michael Rowe" To: Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:25:15 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Mr. Pellegrini Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net C Bonner writes: <<              I just heard from a friend of mine in the I.C.H.F. That Mr. Pellegrini, recieved his 9th dan on April 18, while in korea. From, In Sun Seo. Interesting!! >> Yes he did and a great event it was despite everything that is said about him he does deserve his recognition. But I doubt anyone here will give him any due, speaking from experience here of course. So I'll just go get the asbestos suit to deal with the heat, though the heat that is given is no longer deserved since for the last 11 years GM Pellegrini has dedicated his life to the study, research, and instruction of Combat Hapkido. [As most know I'm a big supporter of GM Pellegrini so much so he is my son's Godfather] MA3 Michael Rowe Fleet Hospital Dallas --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: General Choi "hating" Sine Wave Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:35:49 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Blue ink and Black ink both write. It's all in what you are trying to do or prefer. I personally am not a sine wave person. I don't begrudge others who enjoy it or use, it's just not for me. Jason -----Original Message----- From: Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy [mailto:gtkda@ntelos.net] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:02 AM To: Dojang Digest Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: General Choi "hating" Sine Wave Snip---> My bottom line in all this is this: If you Sine, fine. If you don't Sine, fine. Do what works for you. Better yet, do what your Instructor taught you to do. There is no right or wrong. Always seek ways to make your techniques better for YOU. Guess I should have said "bottom line(s).." :) James Morgan GTKDA --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:44:06 -0500 From: "Farral, Kim" To: "Dojang " Subject: [The_Dojang] Catch a Wave... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Pil-Seung... I have been reading the proverbial "SINE-WAVE" discussions and would like to offer my very humble opinion...When I first started training in 1979...my instructor was a strict Choi-style instructor...we were taught how to generate power...there was no specific name, method, or cliché style...it was all development and generation of power called "TECHNIQUE"...and there were multiple techniques that we were taught...one of them is what is now clichéd as the SINE-WAVE THEORY...like we are all hooked up to electrical probes for read-out... What's next?...Square wave?...Triangle Wave?...Saw-Tooth Wave??? Catch a wave and your sittin on top of the world! (with all due respects to The Beach Boys) My Ranting with Humble Apologies... Pil-Seung The One and Only "TINK" ************************************ This email and any files transmitted with it are proprietary and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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