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Today's Topics: 1. 9th dan (C. Bonner) 2. Re: General Choi "hating" Sine Wave (Jason E. Thomas) 3. Re: TKD Bully? (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 4. Sin Moo at Mke McCarty's Dojang (michael tomlinson) 5. shin splints (SPIVEY JR) 6. muscles around the knee and stretching (SPIVEY JR) 7. kids fighting (Calvin Berlin) 8. Knee exercises (Burdick, Dakin R) 9. WTF President Rumor (Robert Martin) 10. Sine wave and C step (J R Hilland) 11. Re: Kevin and Re: Kids sparring (luke rose) 12. Pellegrini 9th Dan (Wicker, H. Keith) 13. knee injuries (Eddie Urbistondo) 14. Hackworth (FRANK CLAY) 15. Running from a knife (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 16. Certifacation (Eric) 17. Hello! (Alejandro Martinez) 18. Re: kids fighting (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "C. Bonner" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 03:11:12 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] 9th dan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net  I am not a member of the I.C.H.F, just passing on info. SO, THERE IS NO POINT!!!!!! Is there a problem with this Eric??? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfeeŽ Security. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 04:09:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason E. Thomas" Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] General Choi "hating" Sine Wave To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Robert Martin wrote: >Now for the part that will tick some people off -- if you are not doing the >ITF (Chang Hong) patterns with sine wave, you are not doing them correctly. >The developer of the art put this idea into his system. If they are being >done in the old, flat line method then they are wrong. This doesn't mean >they are bad -- just not what the founder wanted, and therefore, wrong. I >don't mean any disrespect to any one out there. I'm just expressing my >opinion. I believe Sine Wave was an after thought. Obviously it was from the "founder". However, there are so many people that don't do sine wave, evolution would seem to force a different conclusion. ITF people tend to equate Chang-Hon forms with Tae Kwon Do, but the General's first renditions or writtern materials use the Tang Soo Do or Karate forms/patterns (depending on your outlook). Suddenly, (on a whim some might say) this was not Tae Kwon Do. The Pyung Ahn forms are older than the General and NEVER used sine wave. The general did embrace sine wave. He did try to promulgate it, but the Chang Hon Patterns were released well before the concept of sine wave was developed or matured. We could easily argue that James Neismith was the founder of Basket Ball. If he started to embace a Bunny Hop theory, suggesting every replace dribbling with bunny hopping and holding the ball above their head 20 years after the sport took off, he might get some following. However, the people who practiced the refined art of dribbling over the past 20 years would still be playing basket ball. In fact will would be the bunny hoppers who changed from the established norm and would be playing a modified version of the sport. The opinion that sine wave is the only way or the only right way is narrow and close minded. Gen Choi Hong Hi made great contributions to the art of Tae Kwon Do. However, he didn't own it. No more than a flea owns the dog he lives on. There were many contributors to Tae Kwon Do before during and after his life. At the end of the day Chon-ji is comprise of Low Blocks, Punches, Side Blocks, front stances and back stances. Who can claim ownership of a low block? The move itself pre-dates modern Tae Kwon Do and probably human memory. > If they are being >done in the old, flat line method then they are wrong. This doesn't mean >they are bad -- just not what the founder wanted, and therefore, wrong. I >don't mean any disrespect to any one out there. I'm just expressing my >opinion. Just because the founder wanted it one way doesn't mean something is wrong. There are many teachers many theories etc... Gen Choi Hong Hi was a great man, but was a man none the less. There are several martial artists of sufficiently high level that have alternate and acceptible theories of power, patterns etc... I have great respect for Gen Choi and you Mr. Martin, but I believe this assertion to be wrong. Respectfully, Jason Thomas Regards, Jason --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 06:53:34 -0500 (CDT) From: To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: TKD Bully? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Fred: "..... He is normally a timid boy, on sparring nights he is never the aggressor, instead he acts like he's there to play "patty cake" Is he a bully? thougts?..." In short, yes. With good coaching a child can learn to channel his aggression and discern between appropriate and inappropriate application of techniques. Your son is missing a connection there. What makes it worse is that having a small target upon which to vent his aggression only aggravates the situation. If I had a say, my recommendation would be three-fold. 1.) Pull him from the TKD training until you can build a sense of his relationship with folks in his environment. The fact that you mention that he is "normally timid" suggests that he could use some basic work on his social skills. 2.) Assign him some basic "caregiver" tasks for dealing with his sibling. Use the theme that "true warriors were always looked to as caretakers of the community who bring peace and security". It may sound silly but even simple jobs such as picking out what the smaller child will wear, helping them get dressed and assigned playtime of increasingly longer duration without conflict are some good places to start. 3.) Watch for signs of poor acculturation including abuse to pets and small animals as well as a tendency to be easily guided to inappropriate behavior by peers in order to garner acceptance. I know this is a MA Net and it may sound like I am over-reacting, but it may be worthwhile to give my suggestions some thought. You can always go back to your regular way of doing things if you choose. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 12:26:04 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sin Moo at Mke McCarty's Dojang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well I'm all paid up and heading to Master McCarty's dojang for the Sin Moo training with Doju Nim Ji on May 22 and 23 in Hartford Conn.... I HIGHLY recommend this training to anyone interested.. Mike is a great guy and you WILL have a great time and learn a lot!! There are gonna be some good guys there also... Todd from Colorado,, Javier from the Tampa area,, and quite a few other guys.... please feel free to contact Master McCarty and get on the mat... these guys are friendly, knowledgeable, and VERY good at Hapkido. this is a great opportunity to put all the BS aside and learn from the legend himself Doju Nim Ji Han Jae....... see you there... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with the new version of MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 05:50:40 -0700 (PDT) From: SPIVEY JR To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] shin splints Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net melinda, excellent info on shin splints. i used to get them really bad many, many moons ago when i ran track in high school. seems that the harder the running surface, the worse the shin splints (i went to a city high school, and we practiced on a hard cinder track). the only relief i ever got was from rest, which of course was frustrating, because you wanted to be out there running. i guess that long ago most people weren't aware of using ice or taping the shins. regards, howard --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 05:57:37 -0700 (PDT) From: SPIVEY JR To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] muscles around the knee and stretching Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net melinda, just another quick note on your post... the exercises you mention for the muscles around the knee are good ones... people who do lots of side-split stretching might want to try these, especially if they're going deep into the stretch with only their leg muscles supporting them (in other words, hands and elbows off the ground). the deeper you get in that stretch, the more tension you put on the knee. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 09:14:51 -0500 From: "Calvin Berlin" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] kids fighting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wow! Does that sound familiar. Not the concussion, but my 5 and 3 year old going at it. They both think that each other is a kicking bag. Fortunately, no serious injuries. They pick up TKD from my oldest son, who is 8 years old. The two of us have been doing TKD for about 2 ˝ years now. I don't think your son is a bully. I think it is the natural competitive struggle between brothers, especially when ages are that close. I don't think it's an attitude of I'm going to hurt you, but one of establishing his pecking order. "See, I can roundhouse you in the head, so don't crowd my space". I speak from another experience in that I have a younger brother that is 2 years younger. We have always had this competitive edge between us .. even when it didn't make much sense. My other younger brother is 8 years younger and we don't have that edge. I guess I remember him as that person I fed a bottle to and would rock to sleep. Is the 6 year old a middle child? or the oldest? Just curious. It seems that the middle child tends to be more aggressive or resentful towards the other two. My middle one seems to be "more vocal" but fine with kids outside of the home. I know it's frustrating, but I just try to stay on him about his behavior. Some days I see progress, so there is hope. Pil Sung Cal "My six year old just kicked his three year old brother in the back of the head, bad news. My three year old has had two concussions during 3 short years of life. I have told my six year old time and again, "Don't practice on your brother, don't even act like your practicing on your brother" Man, this aggravates me! I'm keeping the victim up a little later for observation. The six year old is done with Tae Kwon Do. He is normally a timid boy, on sparring nights he is never the aggressor, instead he acts like he's there to play "patty cake" Is he a bully? thoughts? 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Lay on your back and lift your straightened leg up at a 45 degree angle. Hold for 10 seconds at first and then increase it, tensing the muscles around the knee. Then do it with a light amount of weight (boots, band of weights, or at a weight machine). 2. Slow kicking, especially front kick. Lift your knee - hold it for 10 sec. Extend your leg in front kick position -- 10 sec. Rechamber, keeping knee high -- 10 sec. Rest. See? Nothing extraordinary. Another change I made was to stop fully extending my leg in my kicks (something my instructor continued to say I should be doing for another 2 years!). No full extension on front kick, side kick, or roundhouse, which meant that when doing air kicks I wasn't shocking my knee each time I kicked. When I kick, I either kick something or I don't kick full power. That's it. There was a time when my knee would give out when I was walking on the street, but its been about 15 years since I had a problem with them. I hope it works that easily for you! Take care, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:49:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Martin To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF President Rumor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings WTFers, The old rumor that Choi Jung Hwa, son of the late ITF founder Choi Hong Hi, is being courted as a candidate for President of the WTF is making the rounds again. The rumor relates to the fact that the ITF, under Choi Jung Hwa, has established a position in South Korea for the first time in over 30 years. Thoughts? Robert Martin --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:29:40 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sine wave and C step Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For what it's worth, when I studied ITF taekwondo in the mid 70's - early 80's, We were taught the C step, I did not see the sine wave till the 90's when I taught a hapkido seminar at a ITF dojang. It was interesting to see. Jere R. Hilland www.rrhapkido.com www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 14:13:49 -0700 (PDT) From: luke rose To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Kevin and Re: Kids sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Kevin, I hope you enjoy the DD as much as I have. As far as tips for TKD newbies go I'd say flexibility, balance and mind/body awareness. Also, watch your instructor as intently as possible as well as other students who are talented. It is amazing what you can learn just by watching people.Later. Hello Freddie, To me it sounds like your six year old was starting to feel what its like to have a lot of self confidence. It's one thing to go spar against someone your own size and skill level but another to go against someone smaller and less experienced. In old school training style that is when the father would take his son out and spar him. Of course he would not seriously injure the boy but he would let him know what it feels like to get pushed around by someone bigger and better than him. Then after the boy had cooled down the father would explain the whys, hows and shoulds. In my experience the young and inexperienced have a hard time learning from words alone. Working examples and full mind as well as body experiences seem to prove most effective. Also with all the T.V. and other media based propaganda out there who knows. Maybe he was imitating Jackie Chan or something on that basis. I myself am not a father. The only kids I have are the ones that train at my school. I love them all but I also get to send them home after class. I commend any parent for committing themselves to there children. In the rough times I imagine it's like a job you can't get away from. I not sure I could have the patience in that particular situation. Good luck and I hope something I wrote helps a little. Luke --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Wicker, H. Keith" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 17:02:06 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Pellegrini 9th Dan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I do not understand how Pellegrini could ever be promoted to 9th Dan. Did Pellegrini make a substantial monetary contribution (i.e. buy his rank)? Someone please help me understand. --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Eddie Urbistondo" To: Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 18:19:15 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] knee injuries Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One recommendation that I have for people with knee injuries is to try EVERY type of treatment before you let them perform surgery. Highly recommend Chinese traditional medicine for these injuries. Sport TKD people beware----many kukki TKD students like to throw the roundhouse in an upward motion almost looking like a front kick. This way of kicking will ruin your knees. Granted it is a faster kick but not as powerful of a kick. Master Eddie Urbistondo --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "FRANK CLAY" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 18:22:27 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hackworth Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In regards to the new position, it was confirmed by unrelated sources. Word has it that Mr. Hackworth is now not in that position and that there may be some domestic issues. I cannot say for certain though. Is his column still in TKDT? Frank --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:44:07 -0500 (CDT) From: To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Running from a knife Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Michael: "...... so no offense but until you see that person with bad intent coming at you with a knife don't listen to someone's "theory" because I had theorized and practiced many many times against a knife but when you see the thing coming at you then the dissertation goes out the window,, really quick..." I recall an instructor of mine who was fond of teaching knife work using old bayonets with their sheathes in place. His teaching approach was that when we students began to feel cocky about our disarming skills he would casually walk-up and pull the sheath off the bayonet. In like manner I recall an Aikido demo here in Chicago where the participants were having the time of their lives disarming their partners with those stubby, wooden tantos and wooden swords. Much smiling and bouncing around and not a little flash as folks were playing to the audience. How very different when a visting instructor from NY took to the mat and began to do the most basic Aikido techniques with a partner holding a rather large bread knife. Gone were the smiles and the gay demeanor. Gone also were the fancy air-rolls. Suddenly everything was focus that you couldn't break with a hammer. I left the demonstration wondering why it took a sharp knife to bring out the focus I would have thought everyone might have been demonstrating all through the show. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 16 From: "Eric" To: Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 20:21:09 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Certifacation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Rudy, I thought I saw Grand Master presenting him, something, was that the Recognition Plaque Perhaps? Guess you can say that catches me a little by suprise also. and again congratulations. Eric --__--__-- Message: 17 From: "Alejandro Martinez" To: Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 11:56:42 +1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hello! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear All: Let me please introduce myself. My name is Alejandro Martinez. I am a Mexican national currently living in Brisbane Australia (I am finishing my PhD in Complex Adaptive Systems). While I've been passively reading the group postings for more than a year, I have never had the time until now actively participate in the list. I've been practicing MA since 1976, mainly WTF Tae Kwon Do, but I've also done some Karate Do, Judo, Kung Fu, western boxing, and since 1999 Hapkido as well. This is mean to humbly ask for permission to actively participate in the forum. Many thanks in advance. Best regards, Alejandro Martinez. --__--__-- Message: 18 Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 04:59:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] kids fighting To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Doesn't sound like he's a bully. Sounds like he isn't listening to what you're telling him. When I was coming up, disobedience wasn't an option....lol. Jye freddie bishop wrote: My six year old just kicked his three year old brother in the back of the head, bad news. My three year old has had two concussions during 3 short years of life. I have told my six year old time and again, "Don't practice on your brother, don't even act like your practicing on your brother" Man, this aggravates me! I'm keeping the victim up a little later for observation. The six year old is done with Tae Kwon Do. He is normally a timid boy, on sparring nights he is never the aggressor, instead he acts like he's there to play "patty cake" Is he a bully? thougts? Fred __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! 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