Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:17:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #230 - 16 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Promotion (Kevin Janisse) 2. RE: Home training (Stovall, Craig) 3. KOMA USA (Patrick Baeder) 4. posting humor (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) 5. copyright (Ray Terry) 6. Re: KOMA USA (Ray Terry) 7. Tradition of motion (Charles Richards) 8. Inheritor (Rudy Timmerman) 9. Thanks! (Rudy Timmerman) 10. home training again.... (Kevin Lehr) 11. Re: KOMA USA (Amanda Reaves) 12. RE: Jeffrey and visualizaton (Stovall, Craig) 13. Re: Jeffrey and visualization (luke rose) 14. Re: KOMA USA (Ray Terry) 15. The value of rank (Lois Knorr) 16. RE: bievenido alejandro (Olivos@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Kevin Janisse" To: Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:40:33 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Promotion Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net SJN Timmerman, Well said. I speak for all the students of Kong Shin Bup and members of NKMAA in saying that we never would have supported this or worked so hard to help this happen if it were not for your friendship, experience, knowledge, and your passion to honor your instructor. Congratulations and we look forward to Korea in 2006. Sincerely, Kevin Janisse --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:15:36 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Home training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net << just curious...>>> Actually, that's a post that I made three or four years ago here on the digest. A thread got started about exercises and personal regimens, and I had weighed in with a few offerings. Someone had asked me (I can't remember who) if they could paste it on their website, and I had no objections. It's weird to read it now in light of what I currently do. Especially the hindu squats...they were really a staple of my training at one time, but I finally decided/discovered that there was a better way. What's really funny is that my focus used to be on the exercise itself. I was convinced (like a lot of people) that there were movements out there that were just magical, and that they would turn you into a superior athlete by just doing tons of them. This mentality has allowed people like Matt Furey to make a million dollars by selling 'Combat Conditioning'. Only in America could someone become rich by teaching exotic variations of basic pushups and squats. Now I'm convinced that the "magic' is in the protocol...not the exercise. In other words, figuring out how to maximize quality work per unit of time...not just busting out 500 straight squats and calling it a day. Thank God for the people at Crossfit, and for folks like Charles Staley. 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Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Patrick Baeder Organization: Auburn Academy of Martial Arts, LLC To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:48:35 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] KOMA USA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Inauguration of KOMA-USA Korean Martial Arts Association-USA (KOMA-USA) was officially launched on March 20th 2004 with its founder, GM Julian S. Lim performing seminars at locations in the US. GM Lim’s seminars were in Pensacola, FL on March, 20th and Auburn, AL on March 27th. KOMA currently has strong representations in the USA, UK, Spain, Korea, Malaysia and Singapore. KOMA-USA is a growing organization that has traditional martial arts affiliations in the following organizations via its direct membership in KOMA SEAPAC: Dae Han HapKiDo Hyup Hae (KHF), Dae Han KiDo Hae (KKA), Dae Han HapKiDo SungMooKwan and Dae Han TaeKwonDo ChungDoKwan. The distinguishing factors of KOMA’s style are a strong association with elite military organizations, proven martial efficiency and the emphasis on the way the techniques are made to flow between strikes, joint manipulations and throws. GM Julian S. Lim is the current head of KOMA and is based in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. KOMA’s web site is at www.jlim.net. The head of KOMA-USA is Mst Frank Clay in Pensacola, FL. Mst Clay can be contacted at 1-805-732-6990 for further information. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:21:54 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] posting humor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Lesson for all of us: Moderators are never appreciated enough! Disclaimer: No Korean words are included in this post - delete now if that offends you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A lesson in Posting: How many group posters does it take to change a light bulb? 1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs 53 to flame the spell checkers 41 to correct spelling/grammar flames 6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive 2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp" 15 know-it-alls who claim *they* were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct 156 to email the participant's ISPs complaining that they are in violation of their "acceptable use policy" 109 to post that this group is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb group 203 to demand that cross posting to hardware forum, off-topic forum, and lightbulb group about changing light bulbs be stopped 111 to defend the posting to this group saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this group 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty 27 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs 14 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's 3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group 33 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too" 12 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy 19 to quote the "Me too's" to say "Me three" 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ 44 to ask what is a "FAQ" 4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?" 143 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs" 1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again... --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 07:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] copyright Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >> is this article penned by you? >> http://koreantaekwondo.tripod.com/articles/exercises.htm >> >> just curious.. > > Actually, that's a post that I made three or four years ago here on the > digest. A thread got started about exercises and personal regimens, and I > had weighed in with a few offerings. Someone had asked me (I can't remember > who) if they could paste it on their website, and I had no objections. It's > weird to read it now in light of what I currently do. Especially the hindu > squats...they were really a staple of my training at one time, but I finally > decided/discovered that there was a better way. Justin (at the above website) should have noticed the copyright notice on every digest issue and every list msg. At least he asked you for your permission to reuse. I keep my eyes open for those that do not... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KOMA USA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 09:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Inauguration of KOMA-USA > > Korean Martial Arts Association-USA (KOMA-USA) was officially launched on > March 20th 2004 with its founder, GM Julian S. Lim performing seminars at > locations in the US. Another KMAIA? Another GM wannabe? Seems like it... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Tradition of motion Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I Read "An insteresting comment, sir. It appears that what you are training with is martial tradition -- the way Chang Hon TKD was done originally not the way it finally developed. The Chang Hon systems conintues to used hip rotation, deep abdominal kihap and punch rotation. Added to that was the concept of "knee spring" which was later named "sine wave". MC Reply Just to clarify I started in JRI, but since 1989 have studied/practiced Tang Soo Do. I know Chon Ji when I see it, and recognize Do San, and Hwa Rang as Chang Hon patterns, but that's about the limit of my knowledge of Chang Hon... You are however correct, what I actually do/teach comes out more like Lee, WK's Chung Do Kwan TSD or Funakoshi Sensei's Sho Rin Ryu Kenpo. And that is the tradition we keep alive. The martial science comes in how we apply from that system of motions and how we apply Tang Soo Do motions to the science of combat. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:29:43 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Inheritor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig writes: > does Kong Shin Bup have a designated "inheritor" in terms of > someone that is ready and able to "take over the reigns" in case of the > inevitable. Hello Craig: I think your question was quite appropriate, and I take no offense at all. As you might have guessed by now, I don't have secrets or hidden agendas:) I was caught in a situation that most of us don't think about until we get a bit older. My Instructor, the founder of KSB, passed away much too early in life, and (although I had been given the task of looking after KSB in 1984) I was not prepared to go it alone when he did. Somehow, we don't think about the inevitable until it is too late, and I had expected my GM to be around for a long time. It has been a number of years now since he passed away, and I have put in place a program where I have designated a future leader of KSB. In fact, so I don't get caught with more "surprises", I have a back up plan as well (I am not one to put all my eggs in one basket:). This is fully documented in my will, and I can only hope I have prepared things for a smooth transition. Alas, history tells me that my hope is just that... hope; yet, it is all I can do. I also hope to be around for a while yet, as I have much to teach the next leader both in technique and life experiences. To this end, I have taken the future leader with me to many places, and I will continue to do so. Wherever I go, I introduce him to other leaders, so they will also know. This is to prevent some joker to come along and make false claims. If anything should happen before I have a chance to further educate the next leader, I have a council appointed who will assist him during the time where he still needs more work. This assistance is not in the form of technical material but more in the form of those experiences that foster growth in other areas such as leadership and the ability to deal with people. For technical training, I have opened several doors for the next leader to train and gain more experience. On the advise and council of some of my friends like Masters JR West and Geoff Booth, as well as my mentor GM Humesky, I have accelerated my program a bit (KSB has a stringent "time on the mat" process attached to its promotions). As Master Booth pointed out to me at one of our gab sessions in Jackson, the program I had in place would have me promote my higher ranking students from the grave. He did make a good point, and it WAS a wake up call for me:) Well, that is about all the info I can give you on this at this time, and I hope it satisfies your curiosity:) To Luke: I appreciate your comments, as you have nothing to gain. Thank you so very much for your encouraging words. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:31:26 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Thanks! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'd like to thank the many folks who contacted me privately with regards to my post to PSN Wicker. Your support is ever so encouraging. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:39:37 -0400 From: Kevin Lehr To: The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] home training again.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello All, Thanks for the input! It seems that I am on the right track so far, exercise, practice in front of a mirror, visualizing myself doing the movements, etc. No DVDs or videos yet. Any recommendations (beginner tae kwon do)? Heavy bag problem is solved. I asked my Instructor for a idea of how heavy of a bag I should get, he gave me his 70lb old one, just like that. Thanks again. -Kevin --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:01:30 -0500 From: "Amanda Reaves" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KOMA USA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wow, why do you say that? No disrespect to Mr. Terry or anyone else, I'm new to this list (and to martial arts politics in general) and affiliated with KOMA and I'd appreciate some elaboration on these statements. I'd really like to better understand your position here. Respectfully, Mandi Reaves >>> rterry@idiom.com 05/12/04 11:14 AM >>> Another KMAIA? Another GM wannabe? Seems like it... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:08:29 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Jeffrey and visualizaton Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> I'm actually a big believer in this. I wish I knew how many times I've been told that the mind/body doesn't differentiate between a real and an imagined experience. I truly believe that intensely visualized/imagined practice can be just as powerful as actual physical practice. It can never replace it, but it can definitely supplement it. If you read about a lot of the great players in sports you'll often find that they tap into this type of training. Visualization can also be used just prior to, or even during performance in order to "get in the zone". Watch a lot of the world class high-jumpers and you'll actually see them visualizing their approach and jump prior to their performance. I experienced something similar just over the past 3 weeks. I had been thinking about a particular submission hold that I saw in Yuri Nakamura's Shooto Training Manual...it was a version of the telephone arm lock. I had never before practiced this submission, much less ever caught anyone with it. For some reason, it just caught my eye as I was studying the book, and I had begun thinking about it for a couple of weeks. I would visualize the position I needed to be in in order to set-up the hold, the set-up used to get my opponent in the proper position, and finally applying the submission itself. I probably thought about it a dozen times or so over the course of two weeks. Sure enough, I caught a guy with that exact same submission the very next time I rolled. That would NOT have happened had I not been thinking of and intensely visualizing that submission. I'll say it again...I had NEVER physically practiced that submission before in my life, and ended up pulling it off in real time. Bottom line...visualization is incredibly powerful. I've had other similar experiences. I believe one of the reasons that I progressed in Filipino Martial Arts much faster than my peers was because I would literally sit and visualize the moves over and over and over in my head. I would especially do this during car drives in order to help pass the time. In effect, I was logging "extra hours" between classes and workouts. Powerful stuff. For those that are into it...keep it up. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: luke rose To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Jeffrey and visualization Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Jeff, Thanks for the response. You have a little different way of using your visualization but interesting none the less. I begin with some simple breathing to relax myself and clear my mind. Then when I'm ready I picture myself in my dojang. I picture this because I feel very comfortable there. When I visualize sparring against opponents I begin with people I'm used to sparring against because my mind knows what that feels like. When I really get into it I find myself doing this for an hour sometimes. Usually it's only 15 to 20 minutes though. I have also learned techniques just by using visualization. Of course I have to physically do it as well but I have to credit visualization to much of my learning. It's a great way to multi-task also. When I'm mowing the lawn or shoveling snow I will practice forms in my head. Or while I'm doing kicks for simple cardio I'll make a shopping list yet still practice good technique. It's very challenging and a lot of fun. The mind is wonderful thing and the more I use it the more it helps. I know that's common sense but a lot of people just don't get it. It seems most people go through life on a reactionary basis. Now I want that too but I want my reactions to be of a positive nature and efficient. Therefore I have to use my mind at certain intervals to be able to achieve what I want. I could go on and on about this subject but I will leave it at this for now. If you have any questions or would like to talk more on this just let me know. Visualizing Your Response, Luke --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KOMA USA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Wow, why do you say that? No disrespect to Mr. Terry or anyone else, I'm > new to this list (and to martial arts politics in general) and > affiliated with KOMA and I'd appreciate some elaboration on these > statements. I'd really like to better understand your position here. Well, a rather long story. Goes back to certain people wanting to buy fake masters and grandmasters papers from fake Korean organizations. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 17:12:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Lois Knorr To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] The value of rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rudy KJN, It was generous of you to share with us your reasons for accepting your new rank. Through reading your postings on the DD since I have joined, I feel I have come to know you. Because I know you to be an honourable and humble master, I do not feel it is necessary to know the why's and wherefore's. If you accepted the rank, then it was for honourable reasons -- and that is enough for me. You stated, “I have resigned myself to the fact I should from now on coach instead of trying to do a job my students are best suited for”. As long as that is ‘hands-on’ coaching! I do not believe physical ability will ever take the place of your years of experience and your wisdom. Please do not ever leave the mat for your students just because they are physically more adept. My philosophy is that the martial arts train us: mind, body and spirit. The mind and body are subject to aging, but the spirit can be strong until death. For me, the spirit of the teacher is much more important that his mind or body. Respectfully, Lois, hak-saeng --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 16 From: Olivos@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:44:15 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: bievenido alejandro Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Alejandro bienvenido. Este forum tiene muy buenas ideas que comparten al igual que temas ardientes dentro del deporte o preguntas que las personas quieran poner. Si te puedo ayudar con algo, pues hazmelo saber. Betty solariama@aol.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest