Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 03:01:48 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #231 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: KOMA USA (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 2. Re: RE: bievenido alejandro (jeffrey kiral) 3. CANCELATION OF THE USA MASTER'S SEMINAR (hapkiduquemaster@earthlink.net) 4. KOMA USA (J R Hilland) 5. Re: Grandmaster Timmerman (Dewitt, Garrett) 6. RE: KOMA USA (John Johnson) 7. Re: RE: Home training (Jye nigma) 8. Re: RE: Jeffrey and visualizaton (Jeff Hazen) 9. Re: KOMA-USA (Stovall, Craig) 10. From another Group....more gun stuff (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:31:00 -0500 (CDT) From: To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: KOMA USA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: ".....Another KMAIA? Another GM wannabe? Seems like it..." Sorry, Ray. Not me. Not this time. Been there, done that, and bought the T-shirt. Lifes' too short. :-) Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "jeffrey kiral" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: bievenido alejandro Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 21:51:14 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net whos pregnant with a saber? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:44 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: bievenido alejandro > Alejandro bienvenido. Este forum tiene muy buenas ideas que comparten al > igual que temas ardientes dentro del deporte o preguntas que las personas quieran > poner. Si te puedo ayudar con algo, pues hazmelo saber. > Betty > solariama@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 From: To: Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 00:06:45 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] CANCELATION OF THE USA MASTER'S SEMINAR Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net CANCELATION OF USA MASTER SEMINAR Writer : Fabian Duque (hapkiduquemaster@earthlink.net) Dear Hapkido Family, This letter is to inform all of the International Hapkido Community of the cancelation of the upcoming USA seminar in the month of June. This desicion was made because of the recent changes in the KHF administration. I'm very sad to announce the cancelation of the seminar, but the Korea Hapkido Federation, has not shown support of this event, and after promissing the attendance of President Oh, Se Lim and other Grand Masters,such as Grand Master Sung, Book Bae; They changed everything around. I can not charge people, for something that the KHF is not going to provided; For this reason all of the Hapkidoin that already send their registration fee, will receive a full refund in the next couple of Days. I, Fabian Duque, and in the name of Hapkido, would like to offer my most sincere apologies to the International Hapkido Community and hope you understand that this desicion was made in the best interest of Hapkido. I'm sorry that this seminar could not be done, and I feel more sorry for the future of the Korea Hapkido Federation and its leadership. May God bless Hapkido ! Very sorry, Fabian Duque --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 02:05:57 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] KOMA USA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From what I understand, Julian Lim is a taekwondo player with some good experience in the art, who recently got involved in hapkido. He recently became the KHF representative for Malaysia and not the USA. That is the job of Master Whalen and Master Holcombe Thomas. For that reason, he has no business representing hapkido in the USA. So why would he start another organization when he is the KHF representative in his country, and then promote Hapkido for the KHF in the USA when that is done by Master Whalen and Master Holcombe by appointment of the KHF!? Why in the world would anyone want to join a Malaysian organization in the USA? If he has recently resigned from the KHF, this would still be disrespectful to the KHF representatives in the USA? >From the real KHF website: "Recent Personal Attacks on the BBS Recently the Korea Hapkido Federation Web site's BBS has been attacked by people who wish to hurt the KHF. The problems with the Web site are being dealt with, but we ask you to understand this is one of the dangers of having an open forum. These problems will be addressed when the Web site is updated. Until that time, please understand all official KHF statements are presented in the Federation Info section of the KHF Web site. We deeply regret any problems this incident may have caused Master Whalen. To clarify any misunderstandings, I wish to restate that Master Harold Whalen of Boston, Massachusetts is the United States of America Director for the Korea Hapkido Federation. Do not believe anything else you may have read on the BBS or elsewhere on the Internet. Master Whalen's directorship appointment has been official for several months. The Korea Hapkido Federation is proud to have him represent us in the United States. His many decades of devotion to Hapkido and to the KHF have earned him the right to be appointed the KHF director for the States. The KHF supports him and his actions fully as the US Director. Master Bae, Sung Book Director of the Korea Hapkido Federation" Although I am not a KHF member, Master Whalen has been a friend of mine for many years and this just does not look right. Why would the KHF Malaysian representative appoint a USA representative? This appears wrong on so many levels. Jere R. Hilland Senior Member USKMAF www.rrhapkido.com www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Dewitt, Garrett" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 07:21:04 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Grandmaster Timmerman Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Grandmaster Timmerman wrote: "I will follow GM Seo, because he IS on the mat, he HAS sons to take over, he has NOT charged me an arm and a leg, he does NOT stand with his hand out each time I see him, and he is VERY cordial to say the least." Hello Saja Nim. This sounds like a man who is a leader with great humility and takes responsibility for his actions. A man of integrity and one of great character. A man who will be despised and verbally persecuted by those martial arts wannabees out there. These are the exact traits which you have Sir and for all of us in the NKMAA, we are forever proud of you and it is an absolute honor to serve you. Garrett KJN DE WITT MARTIAL ARTS Brainerd, MN. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "John Johnson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] KOMA USA Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:35:35 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As some of you may know, I have acted as the KHF International Relations Director for the KHF IT Team for severl months now. Please keep in mind that this was also posted on our official English Web site: KHF Kwan, Dojang, and Federation Relationships The Korea Hapkido Federation is a united federation of many groups of Hapkido dojangs (martial art schools) that follow one system of Hapkido. These groups of dojangs are called kwans. For many years these schools have worked together to promote and improve the martial art of Hapkido. The main function of a kwan is to provide a link for students to their instructors. The KHF acts as a governing body for the kwans, much like a national government over provisional bodies. However, the KHF does not issue certificates to recognize individual kwans. It only issues certificates to recognize individual dojangs across the world. Within their boundaries kwans can control the techniques taught, the traditions passed down, and other areas. Kwans also oversee their dojangs to ensure quality and that traditions are being passed on. Kwan business is not regulated or directed by the KHF. However, kwans follow the direction in which the Korea Hapkido Federation leads. While some KHF kwans issue dan (black belt) certificates, most do not. The decision to issue dan certifications is completely up to the kwans, and the KHF does not interfere since this is considered internal kwan business. However, the kwan certificates are an acknowledgement of membership to that specific kwan rather than an official KHF document. It is important to note that kwan dan or other certificates issued are not officially recognized by the KHF. The dan and other certificates issued by the KHF are the only certificates recognized by the federation since it controls all rules and regulations for rank. Most kwans do not issue certificates, and most do not require their members to have any certificates other than a KHF dan certificate. All members of the kwans are members of the KHF, but a Hapkido-in (someone who practices Hapkido) does not have to be a member of a kwan to join the KHF. Joining a kwan is the decision of each Hapkido-in. The KHF only asks that all KHF students and dojangs (martial art schools) wear the official KHF dobok (practice uniform) and to prominently display the KHF symbol. John A. Johnson KHF 4th Dan _________________________________________________________________ Getting married? Find tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 06:45:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Home training To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Shoot home is a place where you can really intensifiy your training. jye "Stovall, Craig" wrote: <>> 1. Work on strength, conditioning, & flexibility. 2. Keep a journal to record the profound experiences that you have from time-to-time. Also, write down goals, completion dates for those goals, and plans on how to attain those goals. Track milestones and progress. 3. Watch videos/DVD's. We're fortunate to live in an information age, and we'd be foolish not to take advantage of the vast media that's out there. 4. Read. 5. Think and reflect. 6. Rest. This is perhaps the most important one. That's about it for me. 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Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 08:14:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Hazen To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Jeffrey and visualizaton Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On Wed, 12 May 2004, Stovall, Craig wrote: SC: I'm actually a big believer in this. [snip] If you read about a lot of SC: the great players in sports you'll often find that they tap into this SC: type of training. Visualization can also be used just prior to, or even SC: during performance in order to "get in the zone". This is also used by many successful musicians, and likely by most good performers (actors, ice skaters, juggling bartenders, martial artists, etc). It's helped me in the past with nearly any complex physical task I've had to perform (playing tenor drums in marching band, TKD, Serrada Eskrima, etc). --jeff "Any feature is a bug unless you can turn it off." -Heuer --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:45:33 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: KOMA-USA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> What is this organization's mission? Thanks! CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. 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Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 08:51:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] From another Group....more gun stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Evolution through continual testing, as you mention in Krav Maga, is exactly what it's all about. The students of Doron Navon have done well in Israel. Israeli Bujinkan training is virtually the only place in a Western country where one can receive such training in the midst of such an intense conflict/war. As such I would expect them to be serious on a whole new level about their art, similar to how we would train if we were in a war. Certainly, gun disarms, rifle training, AK47 familiarity, intense study of the Palestinian mind and culture, and many other aspects of the ninjutsu method would be uniquely applied there. Talk about situational awareness? How'd you like to walk around knowing that any person around you could be sporting 20 pounds of C-4? Your points on the 'martial arts mentality' are welllll taken. It's surprising to me though that so many would be so insecure. Ninjutsu is not a historical system. It must evolve, adapt, and continue to think and apply timeless tactics to today's problems and conflicts, no matter what they may be. Otherwise it is doomed to the ash-heap of history like so many things before it. Guns may be the great equalizer, and our society is better for it, but on the other hand we should be adept at physical disams, the psychological ploys and methods which lead up to the physical disarms, and finally the proper way to wield a gun on someone. In the same way that the Japanese of their time trained in tessen, or iron fan, so we too could easily adopt many of those techniques to having a gun in hand. The classic wrist trap using tessen comes to mind. (He grabs your wrist holding tessen [or gun], you use tessen over his hand with a scissors grip on the tessen to lock his wrist painfully.) As for the ninja cannon, such as it was, they were actually fairly small in length, and therefore innacurate. Bracing it against your hip I doubt they could fire anything of any significant solid weight. Seems to me that firing metal bits, rocks, and chain would work best. Also, those old techniques of the ninja for dealing with firearms were primarily for dealing with muskets, rifles, lines of troops, right? Revolvers were around when the ninja were still active. However, the automatic is fairly new, around 1900, since that would have been at the point when our art was nearly dead, being concentrated in Masamitsu Toda. However, I doubt Japan saw an automatic in any widespread fashion until WWI, or more likely WWII. It's up to us to update the art for modern times. I really have to laugh when I see ppl in other (mostly sport) arts playing with nunchaku, sai, three-section-sticks-wth-chain-between (so chinese), etc. The sword I love and respect because it's truly a timeless weapon. One sword could stab and kill everyone on the planet and still be ready to go, not so with a gun. And the millenia have shown the sword to be the best personal weapon. It's lethal, silent, and efficient. And since much of our taijutsu basics come from sword work it is extremely edifying to practice. But more realistic weapon for this day and age is the han-bo (sticks, tire irons, umbrellas, canes), the bo (mops, brooms, shovels), the short-knife (not really tanto-style, think Spyder co.), kusari-fundo (jackets, cords, belts, ties), and the gun. Even the gun can be used with many tessen techniques as I've noted. Perhaps it is a bad habit that we typically focus on the han-bo, knives, and swords, because our art has a lot to say about those weapons, yet we are likely to face mostly sticks, small knives, and guns. Is there not enough emphasis on forearms simply because our ryu-ha have little to say about them technique-wise? I just attended a two-day seminar by Tim Bathurst on the art of kenjustu, the sword. It was great, but is usefuly primarily in its ability to instruct in principles which are applicable to other areas of my taijutsu like angling, distancing, timing, fakes, etc - not because I will ever likely be in a sword fight one day, unlike our budo-ancestors of old. As sensei says, using a weapon will greatly magnify the flaws in your taijutsu. So by all means train with weapons and see where you need work. But here's the thing, guns are probably the hardest. If your taijutsu is flawed, you are shot. My sensei sent me an article about the recent death of a Bujinkan 5th Dan who lived in South Africa. He was at a fast food restaurant with his fiancee and a friend. Two robbers came in, one demanded his fiancees cell-phone. She didn't want to give it to him and hid it behind his back. Bad move right. The robber puts the gun to her head and demands the phone. 5th dan disarms the man, knocks him back and shoots at him, missing. However, they were in the back of the restaurant and he never saw the first robber up front, until that one started shooting at him. Hit him in the throat and shoulder, killing him. In the meantime he shot that robber through the head killing him. So what's the lesson: Women get men killed... err, marriage is bad - wait, I think it's guns leave little margin for error. The difference between him living and dying in that situation was as little as being with a woman who didn't realize the gravity of the situation, and perhaps as unlucky as choosing to sit with his back to the front instead of on the other side of the table where he may have seen both robbers. (I'll bet she wishes she could go back and hand over that cell-phone now, huh). --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest