Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:50:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #237 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Houston seminar (Rudy Timmerman) 2. Gen. Choi aka Founder of TKD (Mike_Devich@selinc.com) 3. Hand Signs (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) 4. MAIA and MATA (Richard A. Zaruba) 5. salute - power and peace (joseph lumpkin) 6. Martial Arts Software Applications (Jeff.Yeagley@aventis.com) 7. Re: KOMA Clarification (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 8. RE: Houston seminar (Jason Thomas (Y!)) 9. RE: RE: General Choi "hating" Sine Wave (Jason Thomas (Y!)) 10. RE: Korean Studies (Jason Thomas (Y!)) 11. Upcoming Rick Clark Germany Seminars (brent b) 12. Corporation and Hapkido (Brian Beach) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:00:19 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Houston seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I would like to take this opportunity to invite you to the June 12th, > 2004 > USKMAF Seminar in Seabrook (Houston, TX) TX. Master West and his highly > experienced crew of mutants as well as Master McHenry and myself will > be in > attendance. I urge all NKMAA members to take advantage of this seminar. You will enjoy true Southern hospitality AND good martial arts, what more can we ask for:) Best wishes withe the event JR, Rich, Mac, and the stealth crew. Wish I could be there:( Sincerely, Rudy W. Timmerman, National Korean Martial Arts Association --__--__-- Message: 2 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Mike_Devich@selinc.com Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:53:15 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Gen. Choi aka Founder of TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >If it is not what General Choi was teaching than it is >not his system. It would be something new or >different. So no that the "founder", "father", what ever, has passed on TKD can never change. He was the only person with enough training and insight to make changes. That is a bit arrogant! What is life like in a cocoon? Mike --__--__-- Message: 3 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:54:34 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hand Signs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bryan asked: << Could someone tell me the history/significance of the martial arts salute? The one I am referring to is where the right fist meets the left palm at center body and the left fingers either fold or stay erect. What style uses that and where is it appropriate and inappropriate? >> I was told by a Kenpo practitioner that in his particular organization, the closed fist represented the family, and the covering hand the MA's protection, or covering, of the family. In other Kenpo organizations, I have seen several other gestures and waving of the arms culminating in the covered fist stance as part of the "bow" or recognition to others. The covered fist bow has also been used by people I know from Jeet Kune Do, TKD, and Tai Chi backgrounds, though the orientation of the hands to the ground differed from style to style. Sharon --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Richard A. Zaruba" To: Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:54:55 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] MAIA and MATA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net _________________________________________________________ Richard Zaruba, KSN Head Instructor/Owner Kuk Sool Won Family Martial Arts Center, LLC 2500-D South Columbia Road Grand Forks, ND 58201 http://www.ksw-nd.com richard@ksw-nd.com Work: (701) 775-7088 Cell: (218) 791-2282 I have belonged to MAIA since it started. I have really enjoyed the Instructor DVD and video since Dave Kovar has been a regular part of it. I was getting material from the Kovars before they became a regular at MAIA. The magazine MASuccess from MAIA usually has some useful material. Tom Callos has been a welcome addition to the DVDs as well. The advertising is O.K. but in general the advertisements are geared toward American Karate. I have been able to use my own artwork and the ad copy that came from MAIA fairly well several times. If you actually use the income and prospect generators in the kit they usually work well or can be adapted so they will. It all depends on whether or not you will use the material. I a also trying out a new organization called Martial Arts Teaching Association started by John Graden after he left NAPMA. I do like it so far and there is a significant amount of inforation on their web site that is useful and it is updated several times a week. It is only $29.95 a month and I think it is also worth a look. The site is martialartsbusiness.com and before anyone says anything Andrew Wood is no longer involved with it at all. Hope that helps, Richard Zaruba --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "joseph lumpkin" To: The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 19:57:03 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] salute - power and peace Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ".....Could someone tell me the history/significance of the martial arts salute? The one I am referring to is where the right fist meets the left palm at center body and the left fingers either fold or stay erect. What style uses that and where is it appropriate and inappropriate?...." I believe Bruce is correct. My instructor also indicated it was from Chinese roots. He went on to say in symbolized a balance of power and peace. As we were taught it, the open hand (peace) hid the closed fist (power) until the last moment and the form began. The form concludes withthe reverse, as peace was again established and the form ends. This could have been his way of using this salute to teach a lesson (which seems to have worked since I am quoting him after some 30 years). There was only one set of forms consisting of 3 forms total which he taught that used the opening. My spelling will be off but it was the Nianju form. I am told the name means to recoil. This makes sense in that the form consisted of tight hourglass stances and very powerful close punches with incredible snapping and recoiling properties. Long answer for short question. Be well and be blessed Joseph Lumpkin _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:12:20 -0500 From: To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts Software Applications Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Coming out of lurk mode... My name is Jeff Yeagley, and I have been following many of the threads on this forum for several months. I don't usually have the time to do more than just try and keep up with the current topics! I was wondering what MA management software folks are familiar with, and which ones get recommendations. I have recently gotten a web site up, and the next thing I want to implement is front counter productivity. I need software to log payments, keep student profiles, manage attendance toward rank testing, etc. Right now we track all this on paper, and sometimes have to enter the same information multiple times. I don't want to create something that might already be out there in use. I appreciate, in advance, any information you can share. A little background: I train in and teach Tae Kwon Do in the Midwest, and have done so for the last twenty years in the same area. I work another full-time job like many other instructors. Five of my black belt students help me teach around ninety students. Sincerely, Jeff Yeagley Chief Instructor Academy of Fighting Arts Business Phone: 816-525-5555 Email: jeff.yeagley@wetrainharder.com Web: http://www.wetrainharder.com/ --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:19:45 -0500 (CDT) From: To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: KOMA Clarification Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Craig: "......Bottom line...I don't know if organizations are inherently good or bad for the martial arts. In the balance, it may be a wash. What I do know is that more than a few people go out and join organizations for the same reason they throw a sidekick a particular way...because "this is they way its supposed to be"......" Back at the university, it was very common for students to single-out a particular prof who seemed to have that nack for communicating ideas or bringing the best out in people. Students would gather at this persons' house with some regularity to benefit from his age or wisdom or knowledge-- whatever--. Sometimes people would bring snacks, a case, brats and the get-together would get a little party-ish but the thing that drew people was the community of like minded folks who were bound together by goal and were willing to be guided by someone they respected. With some of the stuff thats gone on at the college campuses maybe folks don't do this anymore but it is among some of my best memories. I envision the Korean Kwans in much the same way. Nor do these gathering need to be Korean. JAMA had an article many months (years?) back about a guy who visited a traditional Chinese Kwoon in HK. The social aspect of MA community was unmistakeable. I also include my memeories of gathering for MA seminars and sleeping at the school where the seminar was held. Some of the best training insights came over conversations well after the official class was over. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Houston seminar Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:25:38 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've went to the last GM West/Seabrook Seminar. It was a great experience. The area extremely nice and the GM West and team are awesome! I hope to see you there. Jason -----Original Message----- From: Rudy Timmerman [mailto:kwanjang@sympatico.ca] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 1:00 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Houston seminar > I would like to take this opportunity to invite you to the June 12th, > 2004 > USKMAF Seminar in Seabrook (Houston, TX) TX. Master West and his highly > experienced crew of mutants as well as Master McHenry and myself will > be in > attendance. I urge all NKMAA members to take advantage of this seminar. You will enjoy true Southern hospitality AND good martial arts, what more can we ask for:) Best wishes withe the event JR, Rich, Mac, and the stealth crew. Wish I could be there:( Sincerely, Rudy W. Timmerman, National Korean Martial Arts Association _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: General Choi "hating" Sine Wave Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:34:31 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Finally! We can agree! Short quote form Mr. Gordon's and Mr. Martin's thread: __________________________________ > Will someone "evolve" sine wave > and make it > better....and therefore will they be "wrong?" If someone makes a change and it works and is accepted, than they are no longer doing General Choi's TKD. They are doing their TKD. ----------------------------- Finally, we find the common ground. Sine Wave is "General Choi's TKD". It is not TKD absolute. I 100% agree that I am not practicing "General Choi's TKD". When you say "Wrong" etc... I took it and wrong for TKD as a whole. I'm glad you got clarification. Thank you sir! Regards, Jason --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Korean Studies Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:39:25 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Has anyone taken this program? Is it accredited or accepted by Universities in the US? -----Original Message----- From: Ray Terry [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:19 AM To: The_Dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Studies KOREA UNIVERSITY MASTER IN KOREAN STUDIES Enrich your knowledge of Korea at one of the most prestigious universities in Korea Offers both two-year Masters degree and one-year Certificate programs All courses are taught in English Program emphasizes contemporary Korean society, with special focus on culture, economy, politics, and modern history Students are accepted for admission every semester Application deadline: Fall Semester 2004, July 31 All students can ppply for the Korea Foundation Scholarship In addition, U.S. citizens are eligible for the Freeman Foundation Scholarship that covers tuition fee and stipend For more information, contact: Graduate School of International Studies Korea University Phone: 02) 3290-1391; fax: 02)929-0402 e-mail: gsis@korea.ac.kr http://www.koreagsis.ac.kr _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 13:51:54 -0700 (PDT) From: brent b To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Upcoming Rick Clark Germany Seminars Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Just wanted to let every one know about Rick's upcoming seminar in Germany; 2 Day seminar scheduled in Braunschweig Germany May 24th & 25th There will be two seminars taught in Braunschweig Germany from 6:00 pm till 9:30 pm on the 24th and 25th of May, 2004. KARATE-ZENTRAL-DOJO BRAUNSCHWEIG Nobi Förster Schubertstraße 5 38 114 Braunschweig Germany Tel + 49 - 0531 - 79 73 91 Mobil + 49 - (0)171 - 122 09 27 Fax + 49 - 0531 - 54 3 19 web www.zentral-dojo.de Thanks, Brent Balfanz Yudansha ADK --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Brian Beach Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:02:19 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Corporation and Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On May 18, 2004, at 2:53 PM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > Yes, a corporation is beholden to its shareholders, and what it owes > to its shareholders is success and profits, which come from meeting > the needs and interests of the customers and employees. Ask all the people "downsized" in the past years if their company is meeting their needs. > ...Corporations, which can't force you to buy or use their products, > MUST satisfy you in order to stay in business. If you have a problem > with McDonalds' fare, complain to your friends and family members who > keep buying Happy Meals and Big Macs - don't blame McDonalds for > giving the customers what they want. My point exactly, I have to take responsibility for what goes into me (my best interest) the corporation is not going to do it or assist me. I have yet to see the McDonald's commercial that says " We know you like our Big Mac's but they're really not the best thing for you. Eating a steady diet of these may lead to heart disease, diabetes ....etc but we know you like em so we'll keep making em." I really don't expect them to. They are looking out for their best interests not mine. I'm not picking on McDonald's - I eaten some Big Mac's in my day. My point is Hapkido is something that I hold dear. I don't don't want to see it franchised and made ready for the masses. You tend to get a product that is made as cheaply as possible homogenized for the lowest common denominator and then priced as high as the market will bear. Thats good business, bad art. "BUT I WANNNA BLACK BELT IN 1 YEAR FOR MY 5 YEAR OLD". Giving someone what they think they want is not necessarily in their best interest, but yes you can definitely make a buck off it. Brian --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest