Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:13:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #242 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Management software (Neil Burton) 2. Orgs. (Rudy Timmerman) 3. RE: RE: General Choi "hating" Sine Wave (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 4. Further Clarification on the Sung Moo Kwan Matter (Chosondo@aol.com) 5. Korea Song Moo Kwan (brent b) 6. Southern Hospitality (Brian Beach) 7. Sine Wave (Robert Martin) 8. Florida legislation - Stacy Young Act (Giddins, Greg) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 20:15:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Burton Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Management software To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Could you send me the link for MV2 please? I have googled to no avail! Thanks and Regards Neil Burton PS - only just got back on the list after a break of 4 months due to too much work to have time to read the dd - hi to everyone (was previously on as neilB@codemuncher.com) Master Mark Seidel wrote: I agree with Charles or you could use MAS; however stay away from WinMars, its very old software being re-packaged as new and is filled with bugs. IMHO Mark -----Original Message----- From: Charles Richards [mailto:mojakwan@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:34 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Management software ".....I was wondering what MA management software folks are familiar with, and which ones get recommendations. I have recently gotten a web site up, and the next thing I want to implement is front counter productivity. I need software to log payments, keep student profiles, manage attendance toward rank testing, etc. Right now we track all this on paper, and sometimes have to enter the same information multiple times. I don't want to create something that might already be out there in use. I appreciate, in advance, any information you can share. A little background: I train in and teach Tae Kwon Do in the Midwest, and have done so for the last twenty years in the same area. I work another full-time job like many other instructors. Five of my black belt students help me teach around ninety students." Dear Jeff, Master Vision 2 by paladin programing can do all that and more. Back in 1996-1998 I used Blackbelt Management as sold through NAPMA and it was quite similar, But I think MV2 is still a little more flexible. Plan on a long saturday and a few cold ones to setup all the data, but it will be worth while once you start using the reports. Setting up the Inventory will take you a full weekend, but can go a little quicker if you paste and copy. Reports I use all the time Who's testing (any month or date range) Address Book email list (can paste to clipboard) Condensed belt order list Activity report (calls/appts/intros/enrolled) Source report (where do enrolements come from?) Attendance record single student (by date range) Can flag and unflag records for custom reports to honor the "no selling" rules (I think) email me privately and I'll send you the link to the site where you can download a 15 day trial. If you buy from them they just send you the unlock codes (like Intuit products). BTW, I'm jealous. I have one 15 y/o Brown belt to help me teach 35 students and I too work full time :-) Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 00:39:40 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Orgs. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jere writes: > Those who really want to learn hapkido, will find a > good teacher and the organization will be a by-product. Do not look > for a > good organization, look for a good teacher, it does not matter what > your > rank is - we are ALL students. That is about the best way I have seen it said. Way to go Jere:) I might add that certification is best when it comes the same route... after you have been with the teacher for the length of time it normally should take. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 3 From: PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: General Choi "hating" Sine Wave Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:56:14 +0100 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been monitoring the debate around sine wave for some time. to find out if something is true or not we have to put to the test. sometime a severe test. and even then people will extrapolate what they want from the findings of that test. I personally believe in the principles of sine wave because I have seen it work. look at power lifters when they transmit power from their legs to make the kinetic energy to lift the weight. from the legs through the torso into the arms. almost a vertical or upward sine wave motion. I'm sure we have also seen the intense focus in the eyes when the bar is on the chest. then the knee spring bounces into a powerful walking stance to transmit the power into the arms. this is just one example of sine wave that I have found. I would be interested to hear from any power lifters to get their opinions PETE MAC -----Original Message----- From: Robert Martin [mailto:kickerfour1999@yahoo.com] Sent: 18 May 2004 16:27 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: General Choi "hating" Sine Wave You are entitled to your opinion -- no problem. However, I must disagree with it. > Mr. Martin, > Please pardon the delay in replying. Many things > had my attention as of > late. > > Respectfully, I disagree with this whole concept of > "being wrong." > General Choi made up some patterns/forms. In forty+ > years, he made > several changes to those patterns/forms. If he > lived another forty, > undoubtedly he'd made more. So who's to say his > last change would have > been THE last change? Because he wrote the > Taekwondo was complete? He said it was complete a dozen years ago. No real changes were during that time. If the founder says its complete who can disagree with him? > Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for > General Choi and what he > did to martial arts. But as an old man, nearing > death, claiming that > Taekwondo is "complete?" Please, it's a martial art > and nothing is > complete. We've all likely said that the only sure > thing is that things > change. > This is true -- the only constant we face in our lives is change. That being said -- who has the right to change Gen. Choi's system? GM Sereff? He says he doesn't. He may set a standard for the USTF but he will not change the basic system. > As you stated, I will be interested to see what > happens with sine wave. > Should USTF go back to "flat line" method, will they > be wrong? Yes. > Should > USTF stay with the sine wave while the other 20 > ITF's go "flat line," > will they be wrong? Yes. > Will someone "evolve" sine wave > and make it > better....and therefore will they be "wrong?" If someone makes a change and it works and is accepted, than they are no longer doing General Choi's TKD. They are doing their TKD. > Should GM Sereff have > more say than the other ninth degrees promoted under > General Choi? See above. > Or > what about his son or some other relative? No. Gen. Choi did not give his system to anyone person. He gave it to the whole world. > > General Choi taught Taekwondo to many people in > various arts. Many of > those people followed him and became ITF/Choi > disciples. Some did not > and some split off the ITF. Seems General Choi made > a few changes along > the way and it was the new "correct" way. Those > that did not join ITF > and/or stay with it were suddenly "wrong." From > that angle, it sounds > like a marketing "you gotta be with me...or you're > wrong" ploy. > > My thinking is that you are doing Chang Hun the way > General Choi taught > it last and the way GM Sereff deems best at this > time. Should that > change, and you change with it, you'll still be > doing it correct by USTF > standards. If it is not what General Choi was teaching than it is not his system. It would be something new or different. > I am doing a different flavor of Chang > Hun forms and mine > are correct in my school and well received at > tournaments and to my > seniors. > You are correct. It is right for your school but to claim that it is Chang Hon is incorrect. It is "Chang Hon patterns done with the flavor of Master XYZ". Your instructors or their instructors are doing something different than what the creator of the system wanted. Therefore it can't be the creators system. > As always, I enjoy reading your input. > > Warm regards, > > Thomas Gordon > Florida > ITF/Chang Hon TKD will evolve and change. No question of that. The founder of the system is gone. While he left a pretty complete system behind, to expect it not to change is not realilistic. He didn't give the system to any one person. At his last public appearance in Denver he told us that TKD no longer needed General Choi -- that we all had to be General Choi. Robert Martin _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the number given, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Chosondo@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:33:55 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Further Clarification on the Sung Moo Kwan Matter Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all: For the most part I remain in lurk mode - I don't say much. I just observe. But there are times when I am compelled to speak up in the interest of truth and clarification especially when good folks may get the wrong impression and potentially be harmed as a result... Several months ago, GM Ji ask me to look into Julian Lim's campaign to pettition him to litterally turn over Sung Moo Kwan to him, i.e make him the sole Kwan Jang of Sung Moo Kwan. After a lenghty discourse by e-mail, faxes and telephone converstaions with me, GM Ji decided that he was not going to do as Lim suggested. At that point Lim was very irrate and what I consider rude and disrespectful. Lim stated that he would do what he has to do and that he really does not need GM Ji. Now I understand what he meant... Apparently, he petitioned the KHF for Kwan recognition using the name "Sung Moo Kwan". Since there many meanings for the same phonic pronounciation of Korean characters, I surmise that he took advantage of this language confusion and exploited it - a play on words if you will. If this is what it is, then it would be deceptive, devisive, and opportunistic. All this being said, I personally have no issue with Juliam Lim or those like him who feel they can build a better mouse trap. Actually, I don't care. I am a firm believer in "let's see what happens when we step onto the mat". That's when reality steps into view. But when innocent folks can potentially be hurt by a situation, I must speak up. Further, I have had period contact with Lim for the past 15 plus years. Most of these contacts was about him finding a way to adavance himself. So my comments are not being made in a vacuum. I invite Juliam Lim or his assigns to offer rebutel or commentary about anything I have said. Be clear on the fact I don't say anything without having solid and material proof of what I am saying. This must have something to do with my FBI experience. In view of the clarification I have offered it's up to each individual to do what is right for them. There is no judgement here.... Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster International Chosondo Federation Choson Kwon Bup - Hapkido - Taekwondo 7252 Valley Avenue Phila. PA 19128 215-483-5057 www.chosondo.com In a message dated 5/21/2004 6:44:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > It has been claimed that the Sung Moo Kwan was reopened by our KOMA > friends and that the KHF recognized the KOMA head as the Sung Moo Kwan > Kwanjang. > > As many know the Sung Moo Kwan was Gm Ji's kwan in Korea and many of the > big names in HKD were Sung Moo Kwan. However, this Sung Moo Kwan is NOT > the Sung Moo Kwan that is claimed by the KOMA group, even tho that is > the impression one receives from KOMA. > > The following is the KHF's clarification: > > ========================================================================== > Yes, Julian got recognition certificates as he claims several months ago. > However, his Sung Moo Kwan is different from that of GM Ji. It sounds same, > but the meaning is different. As you know, in Korean there are lots of > homonyms. I know it gives lots of confusion to Western people. Julian also > knows that, as he understands Chinese characters. .... > ========================================================================== --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 06:23:57 -0700 (PDT) From: brent b To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Korea Song Moo Kwan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Rob, I hear you're starting to corrupt one of the Southern Style Preying Mantis guys. He stopped by my gym a few days ago with his instructor. I asked him to ensure you were aware of the upcoming seminar with Rick Clark and Patrick McCarthy - right after he slapped you up side the head. I'm surprised you need assistance from folks in Korea for this information. Can't you just go down to Lake and Hennipen and get this from Grandmaster Rhoo? I can ask Joel Cole if you'd like. I'm pretty certain her still has access to this type of information. Let me know. Brent Balfanz Yudansha ADK Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 05:23:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Frankovich To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Korea Song Moo Kwan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is actually a request for some assistance from our Korea-based members. Would any of you be able to get the contact information for the Korea Taekwondo Song Moo Kwan headquarters? This would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Rob --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Brian Beach Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:33:21 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Southern Hospitality Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We have 4 black belts driving from our Jin Pal Hapkido dojang in Regina, SK to the one in Rockville, MD. They are looking for some possible dojangs to stop at along the way to meet new people and work out / learning exchange. The trip is scheduled in August. The approximate route they will be taking. 94 to 90 to 80 to 76 to 70 to 270. If anyone is open to letting them stop by you can email me or Ray Coulson b_b_ray@hotmail.com. Thanks in advance, Brian --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Robert Martin" To: Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:31:59 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sine Wave Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > If Gen. Choi's org was ITF then I would say call it "ITF TKD". Gen. Choi > called it Chang Hon before he added the sine wave. Therefore it is still > Chang Hon TKD. If you are practicing the "before sine wave" style I would > call it "Chang Hon Style TKD" It's all semantics. > You are correct -- the internation organization, created in 1966 by Gen. Choi at the request of the president of ROK (and to get Choi Hong Hi out of his hair), was the ITF. The ITF did/does a style of martial art called Chang Hon. Gen. Choi was head of the ITF until his death and was the main developer of technique. He added sine wave to the theory of power sometime in the 80's and it became part of the Chang Hon style. > My old school practiced the Chang Hon forms (without sine wave). I loved it!! > I broke lots of wood even without the sine wave. IMHO if you concentrate on > where and when you focus your power within the technique you can generate > plenty of power. Having said that, I have never been taught the sine wave so > I cannot contribute a first hand experience on power generated by the sine > wave. > Try it with sine wave - you might break even more. > We practice the Pyong Ann (sp??) forms. Our org. calls it TKD or "Korean > Karate" however many schools who practice these forms call it TSD (Tang Soo > Do). I really don't care what other people call it. > That is fine. Call it what you like. "TSD" and "Korean Karate" predate the name TKD. > I seem to generate more power since I shaved my head. Utilizing the lower > drag coefficient to recover lost power then redirecting into the technique. I > think I'll call it "Bald Headed TKD" > Now you understand what I'm getting at even if your comment was made jest. > > Brian "Kojack" Woodard > Robert Martin --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:44:08 -0600 From: "Giddins, Greg" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Florida legislation - Stacy Young Act Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Howdy all, haven't posted in about 2 years but I thought this is worth passing along. Legislation got passed in Florida yesterday (?) about some rules concerning amateur boxing and kickboxing. I'm not entirely sure it immediately applies to, say, a TKD tournament, but it's probably worth keeping an eye on to make sure those of you in Florida aren't out of compliance with regulations (whether you agree with them or not) for any MA competitions you take part in. http://www.flsenate.gov/cgi-bin/view_page.pl?Tab=session&Submenu=1&FT=D&File= sb0538er.html&Directory=session/2004/Senate/bills/billtext/html/ Greg G Durango, Co --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest