Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 03:01:49 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #250 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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The most competitive areaa (David Weller) 2. Re: Tejas (Michael Whalen) 3. Re: SMK?? (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 4. Re: New Up-coming Hapkido Association (bsims@midwesthapkido.com) 5. why Teach? (Kevin Luttrell) 6. Movie Troy (Ray Terry) 7. GAGE Instructor Course (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: David Weller Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 07:53:21 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] The most competitive areaa Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From recent reading of the DD I would say anywhere 2 hapkido players get together to talk about kwans, associations, rank and standing. :) Hope you all in the USA have a wonderful long weekend. As many wiser persons than I have stated, it's about the sweat, the bruises and the learning. The rest is mostly hot air. have a groovy day, dave weller On May 28, 2004, at 5:01 AM, guesugi (whoever that is) wrote: > From: guesugi > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Competition > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > In your opinion what is the most competitive geographic area of the > US? Northeast, Southeast, Midwest, Northwest, Southwest or Texas? > > G --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Michael Whalen" To: "dojang digest" Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 07:59:48 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Tejas Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net G., What geographical area in texas do you mean? Northeast, Southeast, Midwest, Northwest, Southwest.......... michael whalen KSWnut >In your opinion what is the most competitive geographic area of the US? >Northeast, Southeast, Midwest, Northwest, Southwest or Texas? > >G --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:35:01 -0500 (CDT) From: To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: SMK?? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Michael: ".....I have no aggression or problems with anyone on here and I wish everyone the very best but make no mistake, I won't be swayed into buying a 72 Vega just because you tell me it is a new Cadillac.." I agree with everything you are saying, and I would like to take it a step farther--- if I might build on your metaphor. It seems that there is no small effort to smear the borders of the differences between the Vega and the Cadillac. We have two VERY different traditions that are being invoked in Julian Lims' approach. On the one hand is a traditional kwan and on the other hand is corporation ("cooperation"??) among disparate schools. When it serves the purposes of the organization to play-up the "kwan qualities" then those things are pushed to the front. When it serves the purposes of the organization to play-up the more corporate qualities THOSE are pushed to the front. What continues to set off warning lights in my head is the constant rejoinder from the players that what I am seeing really isn't what is truely happening. By this time in my life I know enough that if something "walks like a duck" telling me repeatedly that its a mink won't change the nature of the animal. However, as I have said many time before, such an organization will play to the myriad of individuals and schools who are seeking quick, reliable validation that they couldn't get through dedication, loyalty and hard work. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:48:58 -0500 (CDT) From: To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: New Up-coming Hapkido Association Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear John: You get the Hapkido Worlds' Patience Award for taking time to answer each of those questions in turn. Sounds like this is going to be quite an undertaking for your and Mr. Bae. If I am reading this right, people who want to practice Hapkido in such a format as to remain unaffiliated with a specific Kwan will still be able to get recognition for themselves through this organization. People here in the States will, should Hal or Holcomb go along with it, have the added persuasion of the ranking KHF people here in the States to bolster their various applications to the KHF through Mr Baes' association (not his Kwan) through the good offices of the folks on the East Coast. One other thought popped into my mind for your organization. What would prevent you from having the new organization act as a liaison with the 70 other kwans in an effort to match up like Hapkido practice between folks in Korea and folks in the States? Certainly with so many member kwans there would be SOME considerable similarity in practice, goals, philosophy and so forth. Any thoughts on this? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:33:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Luttrell To: dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] why Teach? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, Too many times I hear so called "teachers" talk about not taking students because of their lack of humility, respect, honesty, courtesy ect... They seem to focus on fighting only and not on what really counts. I dont consider myself anything but a student, even though I've been teaching for over 10 years now and training for over 20. One thing I have learned as a student and as a teacher is that the teacher makes the student and as long as the student is willing to return and train, a good teacher continues to train him. A teacher never gives up as long as the student is willing to return for training. If the teacher cant get the desired results for a specific student, he needs to evaluate his methods and continue to train. Giving up is not in a 'real' teachers vocabulary or on his mind, he just continues to evaluate his self. Training others is an advanced training/learning experience in itself, on the highest level. How can a teacher instill traits such as mentioned above if he is not willing to sacrifice himself for his student? Training should benefit the 'whole' person and not just the physical qualities. Training someone else is an honor far to often overlooked. A student honors his instructor everytime he steps onto the training floor and says 'teach'. Even if its not with the respect and humility a teacher would like to see manifested immediately. A student has a fair amount of respect and discipline just by returning to train with his instructor. So, Instructors, dont give up on your students. Even if they dont immediatly show traits you would like to see. Evaluate yourself, your attitude and the reason you really teach. Is it only to feed your own ego or is it really to benefit the students' that you serve. Teaching is a priviledge and a service, it is not a right. Kevin Luttrell The Martial Artist Foundation Springfield, Mo Visit The Martial Artist Foundation Official Website at http://www.geocities.com/taekwondoks/ or join The Martial Artist Foundation Yahoo Group for free and keep up to e on Events: ="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themartialartistfoundation/join"> --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Movie Troy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I know this is a bit off the subject of KMA, but I just saw the movie "Troy" > recently with Brad Pitt and Eric Bana. I couldn't get over how quick Brad Pitt > has muscled up for his role as Achilles. > Does anyone know what his training methods consisted of ? > Or am I being naive thinking it is all totally natural and not medically or > pharmaceutically enhanced. Probably the latter. Steriods can be -fairly- safely used, esp if under a Doctor's care and when one only does one or two cycles. The problem gets to be when people get excited by their gains in size and strength and want to continue the cycles. Then it becomes very unhealthy. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] GAGE Instructor Course Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Ground Avoidance Ground Escape Instructor Course PPCT Management Systems, Inc. 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