Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:24:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #261 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Happy B-Day to Us! (Lois Knorr) 2. Congrats and thanks (Rudy Timmerman) 3. places to train in Seoul (richardh65_@excite.com) 4. Re: Morning practice (Klaas Barends) 5. Cane and Knees (Burdick, Dakin R) 6. re: Starting Over (tim walker) 7. Re: Hi i need help (Tony McDonald) 8. Fulbright Forum June 11 (Ray Terry) 9. RE: places to train in Seoul (John Johnson) 10. re: Question about uniform (Ed) 11. Kim Un - Yong (Neal Konecky) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:34:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Lois Knorr To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Happy B-Day to Us! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Addictive? No...just because I can't get through a single day without checking the DD at least three times doesn't mean I'm addicted!!! Thank you to all those high ranking posters who have such patience with us newbies in KMA. Thank you to all those newbies who give us their enthusiasm and fresh perspective. Most of all, thank you to Ray Terry for keeping this board a civilized but interesting place to learn about Korean martial arts. Learnin' Lois --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 02:24:54 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Congrats and thanks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray writes: > The_Dojang is ten years old this month. Congratulations Ray, and thanks for enabling so many people to communicate on the thing we love... Martial Arts. Danny, you are waayy to kind my friend, but I do appreciate it and it does make a difference:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 3 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: "richardh65_@excite.com" Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 03:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] places to train in Seoul Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was interested in training in Seoul. Does anyone know of any places in train in Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido or any of the other Korean Arts ? Cheers Richard _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:57:18 +0800 From: Klaas Barends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Morning practice Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > One nice thing about morning workouts, you feel good the rest of the > morning, at least I do. The same counts for a good cup of coffee :-) Right now I teach/practice till about midnight, before I get to bed (well, you probably wouldn't call the dojang floor a bed) it's somewhere around 1:00. We get up around 7:00 and practice outside in the park (only when it rains we stay inside). With the nice weather we have this time of the year in Korea is see morning exercise as a blessing. In the winter, well.....I try to see it as a blessing :-) It's something I would certainly recommend to anyone! Nobody needs 8 hours of sleep anyway! I don't take my cold fishhead or fishsoup until after my morning workout. ;-) -- mvg. Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:48:35 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Cane and Knees Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bernie wrote: "He has to wear braces on both knees now, one with metal rails. It took him some time to come back to training, but he has since worked through it and is now pretty mean with a walking cane!" Bernie, I hope you have him go rent "The Killer Elite" with James Caan from the video store. It is a 1970s flick about a guy with a knee brace and a cane doing martial arts. Not sure how well it has aged though! Good luck! Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "tim walker" To: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:55:51 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: Starting Over Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig wrote: <> You don't say what your flavor of martial art was, Craig, but come on over to Hapkido. Shoot, we don't care how many workin' parts you have. When Kip gets ready, he straps on more crap than the opening scene of "Hooper" (where Burt Reynolds is the aging stuntman...) Just Do It, timo --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Tony McDonald" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hi i need help Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 07:17:15 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jim thanks! wow you've been alot of help m8 ^_^ and i do think that i have been training to hard and maybe i need to tone it down a bit untill my body can recover (Bruises, sore muscles, and messy hair when i spar -_-) but well anyway thank you all for your help, you've helped alot oh! and i bought that ladder and its alot of fun ^_^ (especially when i fall on my face ^_^) ~Tony Thanks Jim and guy who suggested the ladder ^_^ Sorry i coulden't remember your name heheh -_-;; --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Fulbright Forum June 11 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... FULBRIGHT FORUM!! Fulbright in Seoul (the Korean-American Educational Commission) is pleased to invite you to attend the Fulbright Forum for June, which will be held on Friday, June 11, 2004, at 6:30 p.m. at the Commission offices in Mapo. The speaker this month will be Elizabeth E. Lee, a graduate of Brown University, 2003 Fulbright graduate student grantee to Korea, and a former employee of Wired and Nylon Magazines in New York City and Allyn & Bacon, a textbook publishing division of Pearson Education in Boston. Ms. Lee will be presenting a one-hour rough cut of "good for her", a video production in which she looks at the cosmetic surgery boom in Seoul, explores through a collection of personal narration, images, interviews, film and news clips the intense pressures on Korea's youth to undergo cosmetic surgery and questions her own role as a westerner pursuing this culturally-delicate issue. Ms. Lee has lived in Seoul for the last 16 months carrying out the research, interviewing and editing for this video. She plans to send the final version to international women's film festivals and to education distribution companies in the United States. We welcome to the June Fulbright Forum all Fulbrighters, senior scholars, graduate students and ETAs, as well as Board Members, Fulbright alumni, Peace Corps alumni, Korean studies scholars, foreign graduate students, RAS members, and any other interested friends of Korea or members of the Fulbright family. The presentation will be followed by a buffet reception (in lieu of dinner.) We hope many friends will come to enjoy the lecture, the discussion, and the food. Place: Fulbright Building 168-15 Yomni-dong, Mapo-gu see maps on our website: www.fulbright.or.kr or call Mrs. Lee: 3275-4000 for directions Date: Friday, June 11, 2004 Time: 6:30 p.m. See you next Friday! Horace H. Underwood, Executive Director Korean-American Educational Commission (Fulbright) Seoul, Korea hhu@fulbright.or.kr --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "John Johnson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] places to train in Seoul Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 15:11:16 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Richard, I have been teaching a Hapkido class in English for a couple of years at my instructor's school in Seoul. Please email me with specific questions. John A. Johnson 4th dan, KHF >From: "richardh65_@excite.com" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] places to train in Seoul >Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 03:35:23 -0400 (EDT) > >I was interested in training in Seoul. Does anyone know of any places in >train in Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido or any of the other Korean Arts ? > >Cheers > >Richard > >_______________________________________________ >Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com >The most personalized portal on the Web! >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to win a trip to NY http://www.msnmessenger-download.click-url.com/go/onm00200497ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Ed" To: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:44:35 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: Question about uniform Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you very much, Neil. That info is very helpful. The red-stripe requirement for 2nd degree must be specific only to my school. I'll go and buy some material from Walmart and get my gf to sew it up for me. After all, I'm just a white belt in sewing. :) > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:53:23 -0700 (PDT) > From: Neil Burton > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] re: Question about uniform > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Ed > > Fair enough - I have had a look at the ITF websites > for Choi Jung Hwa's ITF > (http://www.itf-online.com/articles/information-suit.htm) > and also for Trân Triêu Quân's ITF (www.itf-tkd.org) > and neither have red stripes on the pants. The Chang > Un organisation also doesn't have (although their > website has not been accessible for the last few > months so I cannot post a URL). > > However, I know that some NGB's and NGM's have > slightly modified their doboks - for example the UKTA > - if you check their website the scottish demo team > have "Scotland" written in huge letters down the front > of their Dobok trousers. Apart from that I really > don't know - as I said, the ITF standard is just black > leg stripes for 4th dan, no leg stripes below that. I > went to http://www.itf-information.com/links.htm and > went to the links for supplies, and from there went to > http://martialartsapparel.co.nz/ if you look at the > ITF style uniforms, for black belts it states: > > Black Belt Uniform: > Black Belt I-III uniforms prepared with black trim at > base of jacket. > IV Dan uniforms prepared with black trim at base of > jacket, sleeves and pant legs > > Anyway, I am just trying to let you know where I was > coming from - I hope that you are able to find the > dimensions for your red stripe on the trouser legs - > and as a matter of curiosity, it would be interesting > to find out if this is a local or national uniform > change or part of a wider change (for example, Chang > Un ITF has instituted a uniform change). > > Taekwon > > Neil > > --- Ed wrote: > > > > I just passed my 2nd degree black belt test. My > > teacher asked me to > > update my > > > > TKD uniform by adding red stripes to my pants. > > The stripes are supposed > > to > > > > run from just below the waistband and down the > > legs on both sides. One > > thing > > > > I forgot to ask him is how wide the red stripes > > need to be. Since I > > won't be > > > > in class for a while, could someone tell me what > > the exact > > specifications are > > > > (if there's a website with pictorial, that would > > be excellent)? > > > > From: Ray Terry > > > What style of TKD are you? I'm not familiar with > > putting red stripes on > > > a black belt's dobak pants. Is that ITF > > perhaps??? > > > > I'm practising ITF TKD. > > > > > > From: "Neil Burton" > > > itf only has black lines on the dobok trousers and > > even then, as far as i > > am aware, only for 4th dan and above > > > > Are you aware of any websites that would have this > > information? > > > > > > Thank you very much. --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:40:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Neal Konecky To: dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Kim Un - Yong Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://times.hankooki.com/cgi-bin/hkiprn.cgi?pa=/lpage/200406/kt2004060315432112070.htm&ur=times.hankooki.com&fo=print_kt.htm Kim Un-yong Given 30 Months in Prison By Na Jeong-ju Staff Reporter A Seoul court on Thursday sentenced Kim Un-yong, suspended vice-president of International Olympic Committee (IOC), to two-and-a half years in prison and 788 million won in fines on embezzlement and other charges. ``Records show Kim embezzled at least 3.3 billion won in public funds and took 788 million won in bribes when he chaired the international sports organizations,¡¯¡¯ Kim Byung-woon, presiding judge of the Seoul Central District Court, said in a ruling. ``Kim also sent letters to IOC members during prosecution investigation, denouncing the South Korean prosecution of conducing ``politically motivated¡¯¡¯ probes. His wrongdoings cannot be taken lightly,¡¯¡¯ the judge said. The court, however, said Kim deserves some leniency because of his contributions to promoting taekwondo throughout the world and his ill health. With the ruling, the IOC is expected to take steps to deprive Kim of his post permanently. The world¡¯s Olympics-governing body has suspended him from his duties as vice-president until a ruling by the South Korean court is made on his corruption charges. Kim was indicted on May 13 for receiving some 810 million won in bribes and diverting 3.84 billion won in public funds for personal use. In the letters his aides sent to IOC members worldwide earlier this year, he claimed the South Korean prosecution wrongly detained him, ignoring related procedures stated in the law. Kim, a longtime IOC member and once the most powerful figure in the nation¡¯s sports arena, misappropriated public funds from a number of sports organizations he chaired, such as the World Taekwondo Federation, ``Kukkiwon,¡¯¡¯ or the World Taekwondo Headquarters and the General Association of International Sports Federations. >From 1997 through 2002, he took 810 million won in bribes from South Korean sporting goods companies while he was serving as the head of the Korean Olympic Committee, according to the prosecution. The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. Albert Einstein --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! 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