Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:03:01 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #266 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Training in Korea (Klaas Barends) 2. Re: Training in Korea (Chris LaCava) 3. Questions about performing the forms or patterns (ITF) (Clint Cayson) 4. Re: Kim Un-Yong (guesugi) 5. Re: Starting over (guesugi) 6. Kung Sol (Tony McDonald) 7. Re: Kung Sol (Ray Terry) 8. Working in Korea - visa (A. Boyd) 9. Taxi drivers on Kim Un-Yong (A. Boyd) 10. Kuk Kung (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:57:42 +0800 From: Klaas Barends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Training in Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I'm coming to Korea jsut to train, i'll probably end up looking for a > job, cos i'm not made of money. > I wanted to start in seoul, hopefully pick up some of the language for a > few months then try other places to train, maybe Pyong Teak. For jobs in Korea (they are mainly english teaching jobs) check out: http://jobs.seoul.go.kr You will need a job to get a visa. US citizens can stay for 30 days in Korea, most people from other western countries can stay here for 90 days. But with a fulltime job you will have less time to practice. A job teaching English at a hakwon is a good way to practice your patience :) If you want to learn the language as well, maybe this is something for you. http://www.yonsei.ac.kr/~kli/ Learn the language and get a study visa. You will have enough time to practice martial arts. (but the money to finance your stay here can become a problem). -- mvg. Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 07:36:46 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Training in Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Richard <> If you're intersted in Hapkido training and you get down to Daegu, stop by the Jung Ki Kwan. Grand Master Lim, Hyun-Soo and the other Kung Ki Masters are great guys and a great practitioners. They welcome anyone with a honest desire to train hard. For more info on Grand Master Lim you can check out... http://lmaa.bravepages.com/gmlim.htm The number for the Jung Ki Kwan is 053-422-2403 If you would like the address I'll get that for you, just shoot me an e-mail. If you make it there around Sept 10-23 we'll train together. Wherever you train, have a great time!!! Chris "from CT" LaCava's Martial Arts Westport, CT. http://lmaa.bravepages.com Online Store- http://www.cafepress.com/hapkidogear _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfeeŽ Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:35:38 -0400 From: "Clint Cayson" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Questions about performing the forms or patterns (ITF) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Steffen, Mr. Martin and Mr. Henderson. Thank you all for replying to my post. I am glad that I asked these questions before her test. It's better to have different opinions and incorporate all of them into one. The informations are quite sufficient enough for her to understand. Mr. Steffen, these insight are very helpful and I appreciate it very much. Mr. Martin, I will ask her instructors if she understands the patterns well. Thank you. Mr. Henderson, thanks for that philosophical views - you're also right, it's not the "knowing it's the feeling". Thank you, thank you all. "When you paint a dragon, you paint his scales, not his bones; when you see a man, you see his face, not his heart." ----Confucius (Lun Yu)--- --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:09:57 -0400 (EDT) From: guesugi To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kim Un-Yong Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taxi drivers are always the extremes of both pro and anti of everything in the news. Ray Terry wrote: >Anthony wrote: > >> ... It's a riot to talk about this with taxi drivers! > > >Can you expound further? Are the comments pro-Kim or anti or ??? > > >Ray Terry > >rterry@idiom.com > >_______________________________________________ > >The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------GET A JOB! CollegeClub.com can help you earn some cash and get career advice!CollegeClub.com makes college life even better. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:13:09 -0400 (EDT) From: guesugi To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Starting over Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a student that went through an extreme version of that, after getting her 3rd dan in her 20s injury stopped her training. The student just restarted at age 45. Craig Zeigler wrote: >Hello everyone, > > >I have recently joined this list, and find it to be very interesting. >The reason for joining the list is that I am contemplating resuming my >training. I stopped training at the end of 1999 before joining the Navy. >When I stopped, I had my 2st degree for almost 2 years, and I am >wondering if anyone else has done this and what their thoughts are/were. > > >When I left the military I had a fairly nasty knee injury, and must wear >a brace during any physical activity. I am also wondering if anyone else >has gone through this. > > >Thanks, > > >Craig Zeigler > >_______________________________________________ > >The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------GET A JOB! CollegeClub.com can help you earn some cash and get career advice!CollegeClub.com makes college life even better. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Tony McDonald" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kung Sol Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 13:03:34 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I herd about this martial art Kung Sol, the Korean martial art of the bow i've looked online and asked my local Do-Jangs about Kung Sol and they havent really said anything about it so im here to ask if anyone could help explain me what this martial art is about and how it is done, well i mean like what kind of skills and just the gist of everything Well thanks for taking the time to read this and anwser it ^_^ ~Tony McDonald (-Brown Stripe-TaeKwonDo-) Currently a student of HanKookMooYae --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kung Sol To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I herd about this martial art Kung Sol, the Korean martial art of the bow > i've > looked online and asked my local Do-Jangs about Kung Sol and they havent > really said anything > about it so im here to ask if anyone could help explain me what this martial > art is about and how it is done, well i mean like what kind of skills and > just the gist of everything You might explore Kuk Kung, Korean traditional archery. I believe Turtlepress has a video on it. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:28:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Working in Korea - visa Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Any work in Korea will require a specific visa which ties you to one employer. It is possible to add additional employment locations to your primary job site, but only with the permission of your visa sponsor (your boss). Most work-terms are 1 year and most visa durations are 1 year. Entry into Korea for Canadians and Americans is a simple process and citizens of these and many other countries are automatically granted a tourist visa upon arrival. These have varying durations (eg: Canada 6 months, US 3 months). Tourist visas do not allow the tourist to work. The fine for visa violation is 5 million won for the employer and deportation for the tourist. Citizens of certain countries (Aust, NZ, Japan, Canada only (USA, UK, S.A. not eligible)) can apply for a working holiday visa (H1 visa). This allows a 3 month stay with up to a maximum of 20 hours of work per week. Again each work site must be cleared with Immigration first. The type of visa that my wife and I are on is the E2 visa. It, like most of the professional visas, has a duration of 1 year and no limitations on hours worked. To obtain a visa you must deal with a Korean embassy. You cannot get a visa in Korea.(although you can renew them in-country, and in some cases add a different class of visa to an existing one). To obtain a visa which allows you to work, you need to enter a contract with the employer, receive the immigration paperwork through the employer, and then deal with the nearest Korean embassy. If you come to Korea as a tourist, find a job and choose to stay, you will have to take a visa run to Japan or another neighboring country to process the visa paperwork. The application at Korean immigration takes around 2 weeks to be processed. The visa run is a matter of 1 or 2 days depending on the location you pick for it. This means that it can take up to 3 weeks from hiring before you can start work. If you find a job as an English teacher (E2 visa) that generally means you will have to wait until the start of a month in addition to any delays caused by paperwork and the visa run. More specific information is available from the websites for your "local" Korean embassy. ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:41:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Taxi drivers on Kim Un-Yong Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have yet to meet a pro-Kim cabbie, but I suppose it could be possible to find one somewhere. These guys work a minimum of a 12-hour day in Seoul traffic, for low pay and zero-respect. There is not a lot of sympathy for a rich man, who uses his well-paid position as a martial arts and sports representative to embezzle millions of dollars and worse, spread corruption to other well-connected or well-heeled cohorts for hundreds of thousands in bribes. What upsets them is not really this financial stuff though. The impetus to be number one at any cost is still a significant factor in most layers of society here. Wealth is an unquestioned part of being number one. Only some among my youngest students (early 20's) are focussing at all on job satisfaction over monetary return for work and those that have this attitude are not exactly common. Wealth is a not an asset here, it is a virtue. What upset them about Kim was two-fold. First he is seen as having sold-out Korea's chance to host the Olympics in order to improve his position in the IOC. This is an unpardonable sin and the primary motivation for digging up dirt on him in the first place. The second thing is more social - he is not seen as being repentant for his crime, just sorry he got caught. If this changes, the view of Kim will change with it and as was mentioned (by Kip?) any number of reductions in his sentence might commence. Only one cabbie I spoke with got upset about this from a 'Tenets of TKD' point of view. This didn't surprise me much as I have yet to meet a student with a background in TKD who could tell me what they were. A number don't even know such things exist. ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Kuk Kung Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net fwiw, two vids from Turtlepress on Kuk Kung, Korean archery... http://turtlepress.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=82 http://turtlepress.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=86 Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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