Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 03:01:49 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #288 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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NKMAA Mid West seminar (Rudy Timmerman) 2. to sprawl or not to sprawl? (michael tomlinson) 3. TKD answer to grappling (Eddie Urbistondo) 4. Re: Re: Takedowns and Wrestling (jeffrey kiral) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:52:32 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] NKMAA Mid West seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Byron writes: > I wish to thank GM Timmerman for coming to Norwalk, Ohio for > last Saturday's seminar. For those of you that have never experienced > one of his training sessions, I can only tell you that it is well worth > the money and distance traveled. My best summation is that if, as I > do, > you measure the worth of the training by what "new" things you learn > and > how much ignorance it exposes in you, his training will make you feel > as > dumb as a box of rocks! > > After several years in the martial arts, he made me question > foundational aspects of my art but not disrespect them; simply > reevaluate them and expand their application. Hello Byron: Thanks for the kind words. My intent in seminars is to show folks how, with a little bit of an open mind, one can add tricks to the bag you already have. Instead of asking folks to change their art, I think it is easier to have them just add a few things that may even help them with the art they already have rank in. I respect all arts, and in closing I must say that I learned as much from you as you did from me. Exchanging ideas with good people and having fun doing it... what more can a man ask for. I look forward to seeing you again real soon. My dojang is open to all. Next seminar is in Sault Ste Marie, Canada on the July 1-4th weekend. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:52:50 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] to sprawl or not to sprawl? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Again my cohort Craig Stovall hit the nail on the head IMHO.. I was myself a "scholastic" wrestler, actually a freestyle wrestler and a high school coach for quite a few years.. what Craig says is exactly right... after practice, before practice or just hanging out in the off season working out ALL the wrestlers I knew or coached practiced "dirty" wrestling for the street as we called it.. it is amazing as Craig stated how easy it is to turn a head fake single leg takedown into a palm heel strike to nose single leg takedown... in fact in my Hapkido class for the ground and clinching aspect I just use the tweaked up version of freestlye wrestling comibined with Hapkido joint locks and chokes on the ground "after" control is accomplished,, works really well,, this way you learn how to do fast and effective takedowns,, I never even use the word "pin" in my classes and we go hard... as a Hapkido coach... give me a good hard core wrestler in good shape and IMHO I can teach him how to do the other stuff very very quickly,, and also as Craig says,, then you have an awesome fighter... On the TKD note against takedowns.. let me say I really like TKD and the kicks are very good, but, if you don't practice defense against takedowns ALL THE TIME, then there is no way you will be able to use them in real time.... I know a few schools who say they practice takedown defenses,, and once I ask when was the last class you practiced them,, and one of the instructors told me... about two months ago for one long class... I just smiled and changed the subject...you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to win a trip to NY http://www.msnmessenger-download.click-url.com/go/onm00200497ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Eddie Urbistondo" To: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:25:33 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD answer to grappling Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It all depends on the school you attend. At our school, our students are taught many counters to grappling from Traditional TKD. Black belt factory schools or schools teaching strictly sport TKD most likely will not teach defense for grapplers from traditional TKD. Master Eddie Urbistondo --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "jeffrey kiral" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Takedowns and Wrestling Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:37:02 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net this is a very interesting thread.... to both luke and craig i say that its all about what you put into the training that matters...you definitely need a mix of the sport and the traditional training...if all you do is one thing, then you will be one sided....personally, i not only spend alot of time on HKD but also in physical training, various types of sparring ( i.e. full contact, step sparring, judo sparring, wrestling/jujitsu type sparring etc. ), as well as other types of training with bags, devices and plain old shadow boxing and agility training. jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "luke rose" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Takedowns and Wrestling > I used to take on a state champ on the mats when I first got into grappling. It was amazing how fast he could take me down. However, he was used to pinning someone on their back which is a place I'm quite comfortable with. He only pinned me once. That was the first time we went at it. After that he just couldn't pin me. The main tactic I used was relaxation. He was used to people always fighting against him and that's how he got them into those horrific holds. > > He taught me a lot about basic take-downs, using the leg strength instead of arms to get them down and using your weight instead of muscle when on top of an opponent to save stamina. > > In my opinion a basic wrestler has a big advantage on the street. Most of the fights I've seen or have heard about end up in some sort of wrestling match. Weather it's on your feet or (usually) on the ground. With a small amount of training (for both parties) I doubt a formal martial artist would hold up in a street fight against a wrestler. However with more in depth training I would like to think it would go the other way. Any opinions? > > Luke > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest