Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 03:01:49 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #293 - 2 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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GM West's seminar - significant others (Wayne Watkins) 2. From Another Group....Attribute or technique (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:30:25 -0500 From: "Wayne Watkins" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] GM West's seminar - significant others Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At Master West's seminar we welcome all spouses, significant others, and even children. We have three main goals for every seminar: 1. Friends - seeing old ones and making new ones 2. Having fun learning something new about martial arts 3. Eating well What to do while visiting Jackson: * The Glory of Baroque Dresden - Following the lineage of exhibitions on St. Petersburg (Russia), Versailles (France) and Spain, the Dresden exhibit will showcase a unique variety of German objects not seen in the U.S. since the reunification of Germany. http://www.gloryofdresden.com/ * The exhibition, “Paris Moderne: Art Deco Works from the Musée d'Art Moderne de la Ville de Paris,” will run March 6 – September 6, 2004. http://www.msmuseumart.org * Stop by the grand antebellum Governor’s mansion after touring the historic Manship House. * Old Capitol Museum http://www.mdah.state.ms.us * Museum of Natural Science http://www.mdwfp.com/museum * Chimneyville Crafts Gallery http://www.mscraftsmensguild.org * Agricultural Museum (really a lot more interesting than it sounds) http://www.mdac.state.ms.us * “Crafts to Own” at the Craftsmen’s Guild of Mississippi store (at the Mississippi Agriculture & Forestry Museum). * Mississippi Crafts Center - Natchez Trace http://www.mscraftsmensguild.org * Dizzy Dean Sports museum * Petrified Forest * Visit the Zoo * Rapids on the Reservoir water park * Civil War Battleground in nearby Vicksburg * Casinos in Vicksburg * Northpark Mall * Dogwood Mall * Highland Village Shopping Center [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:26:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] From Another Group....Attribute or technique Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good question ^_^ Of course I wouldn't take offense. There are two major elements at play in determining who wins a fight. It's a question of attributes versus technique, and the proficiency of a fighter is the combination of both. An attribute fighter is one who is primarily relying on their own attributes such as speed, power, superior reflexes, age, etc. Then there's the person who is an incredible technique fighter, they win not because of superior strength but because of far superior technique. We live (unfortunately) in a day and age where attribute fighting rules the day. You might say that attribute fighting is the 'dark side' of martial arts advancement, it's quick but imagine what happens when you lose your attributes (as in, start to age). So, if your opponent has greater attributes than you, then your techniques have to be that much better than his (or hers) in order to best them in a fight. Our Ninjutsu taijutsu is designed to develop technique fighters, not attribute fighters, and this is another stark difference that few realize and many misunderstand. We have the saying that if you are using more than two pounds of pressure in performing a technique then you are doing it wrong. That statement is a stark refutation or rejection of attribute fighting. No longer do many fighters know the exact angle and display a refined method for things like, say, a hip throw, rather they'll try to muscle through it. This is also one reason why those with great strength sometimes have trouble learning our taijutsu principles, because it's so easy for them to simply muscle through a technique that they have trouble refining the movements. So, with that background let me directly address your question: What happens if you face a fighter excellent in all areas and aspects of fighting? By this I'll assume that you mean a fighter who is both better than you in terms of attributes and has well-rounded technique that is also superior to you. In such a case your best bet is to pull a weapon. Weapons are the great (attribute) equalizer. A 300 pound wrestler can be easily killed by the two pound trigger pull of a 1911 Colt.45 in the hands of my 90 pound grandmother. Of course, if he's so good that you wouldn't even try that, or you don't have a good enough weapon to make up the skill difference... run. Apart from that, there is another way to win, and that is far superior motivation. If a guy's threatening your loved one's life, and he just wants to rob you, if you see an opening and attack you're likely to win because of the cost of failure. Here's a story for you along these lines. It's in one of the Bujinkan books. Around 1950, a judo guy is fighting a western boxer, and the judo guy is losing. Finally, a samurai type in the audience gets so upset that he gets up, rushes the boxer, knocks him out with one shuto to the head, at which point an american serviceman stands up and pulls a gun on the samurai. Well, the samurai figures if he's gonna die he can at least take this jerk with him, so he rushes the serviceman with a tanto - resigning himself to death. The serviceman, seeing that the gun didn't faze the guy, panics, throws the gun at the surprised samurai, and runs away. (Now I'm sure someone will remember this story better than I and correct it in some way, but the general idea is as it was). --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! 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