Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 03:01:50 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #294 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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ITF Tul Site (Mike_Devich@selinc.com) 2. Friendship Seminar in Ocala a BIG Success (michael tomlinson) 3. So Rim (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 4. From another Group...ninjutsu, TKD, etc (Jye nigma) 5. Book Review (Dennis McHenry) 6. Soo Bahk Do Clubs in South Korea (kim wyles) 7. Re: Book Review (Neil Burton) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Mike_Devich@selinc.com Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:02:58 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF Tul Site Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.hyong.net/ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:11:49 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Friendship Seminar in Ocala a BIG Success Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Truly a Friendship Seminar Got back home a while ago from the four day Friendship Seminar at Master Fabian's dojang in Ocala. Wow, I had a great time learning, throwing, falling, sweating, eating, tapping, grapplin, sharing, choking, kicking, laughing non stop and meeting old friends and making new ones. We all had a great time and this event was run the right way. Everyone participated, no lookieloo static Hapkido people just plenty of fun, respect, and heartfelt determination. It was great being thrown and taught by my old Master Hal Whalen. I could go in more depth about Hal but that would take a few days and many keyboards. He is a true Master of Hapkido and when I get on the mat with him he becomes a Hapkido battery charger that just energizes everything and everyone he comes in contact with. Master Fabian ran this event like a true friend and Hapkido Master. I am really happy I have become a friend and extended Hapkido family member of his Dojang and his students. Master Bae came over from Korea and was an awesome and humble individual. He is a sterling example of what is good about Hapkido in Korea. Master Holcome Thomas is one of the most knowledgeable, astute, and yet down to earth Hapkido men you will ever come across.. Great time throwing my guys and being thrown by some of the best Hapkido players you will ever find.. EVERYONE I MET WAS A TRUE EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAPKIDO SHOULD BE. Even though I am not a member of the KHF that was not a point of contention...this truly was a friendship seminar and the one thing we ALL had in common at this event was a love of True Hapkido which exists on the mat and in your heart....guys you missed a good one,, my Hapkido batteries have been recharged and I'm happy to say I was part of this gathering,,,next year next time you can bet I'll be there again.... HAP KI !!! Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Make the most of your family vacation with tips from the MSN Family Travel Guide! http://dollar.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:26:57 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] So Rim Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Kevin, It would help to know what the source for your form is. "So Rim" is the Korean pronunciation for the Hanja "Shaolin". I think there are some Korean Kung Fu based arts that have Shaolin based forms. If your lineage goes back to the Moo Duk Kwan, then you might be looking for So Rim Jang Kwan Hyung, which means Shaolin Long Fist Form. This form is mentioned in GM Hwang Kee's Tang Soo Do Dae Kham, published in 1978 I believe, and refered to as Volume I. This was a form, about the last form on the old Moo Duk Kwan syllabus. This particular form has become like a "Holy Grail" for many in Tang Soo Do and Soo Bahk Do. There may be a very few people left who still know it, at least a few say they do, but they are not showing it for some reason or the other. You have to be cautious researching a particular form, because Shaolin Long Fist is a whole system, so there are a whole bunch of "Shaolin Long Fist" forms. Mr. Len Losik, I think I spelled his name correctly, has one or more form "books" out that has Shaolin Long Fist forms in them, but according to those who have seen his book, none of them are "the" So Rim Jang Kwan of the Moo Duk Kwan. If you are just looking for Shaolin Forms in general, there are a number of written sources, but none that will help you to identify a specific form done by Korean martial artists. Good Luck, Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:23:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] From another Group...ninjutsu, TKD, etc Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ok, Ok, i just read and re-read the original message. This person sounds like he has entirely too much ego. from the standpoint in reality and history Ninpo is a reality based system. And i believe that the subject was hit on the head squarely when the mention of 'basics' are what we are expert at, or supposed to be. Most of us will always be eating at the kids table because as Americans plain suck at the types of movements the japanese arts require. Why? Because our terrain is different, our lifestyle is different, our foods is different. In plain language 'our world' is different. For example, our musculature is different in it's development for a very good reason. Compared to the Japanese people americans do not exercise walking enough. In Japan you walk just abot everywhere(except long trips). In America we get in to our cars and drive to the corner store(less than a mile usually). In reality, in a combat situation it is the basics that are most useful. Forget all the fancy stuff you learn in any other art. When you are in a REAL life threatening situation your muscle memory, instincts, and BASICS will be what keeps you alive. the very technical stuff you learn is all BUILT on BASIC movement (Kamae and Kihon Happo). I read once somewhere that Takamatsu once said if you can do the basics expertly then you can do anything Ninpo related in the physical world. So, our basics are a joke? Maybe what he saw was a joke, maybe the students he saw weren't so skilled yet? Anything's possible. I have also studied several different arts and frankly the most of them only teach you about point fighting. they don't prepare you for the reality of a real situation. i left at least two schools just for this reason. I would not be a part of something that was designed originally to teach you how to defend yourself and others only to actually be trained in how to 'touch' someone to get a point. Studying only for a year in the art doesn't really get you a whole lot of insight unless you live and breath it night and day. Therefore I take his opinion with a the grain of salt that only a beginner seeing through skeptical eyes would offer. When I started it took me that long just to trust that these things actually work. Over the last 20 years there has been much reform once the 'Ninja Boom' slowed down. The Wannabe's left, but they are still out there. These are the mentally unstable people that Hatsumi talks about in the guideline for the Bujinkan membership. I am very fortunate to be a member of a dojo where we have a multitude of very experienced people each of 15 years or more experience(our Sensei has 20-22 years alone). So my advice for anyone perusing the groups for information- If you are expecting to become a trained killer go join the armed forces. If you think all we are is shuriken and black suit wearing, night creeping folks then you should either go to another school or better yet go to a dojo and train for at least two or three years THEN and only THEN should you form your opinion. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:23:28 GMT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Book Review Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Book Review: "Martial Arts in the Modern World" Debunks Many Myths and Misinformation. In the August 2004 issue of MA Success (a publication of the Martial Arts Industry Association), has a product review of the book "Martial Arts in the Modern World", co-edited by Thomas Green and Joseph Svinth, reviewed by John Corcoran. He speaks very highly of the book, and in a paragraph highlight our very own Eric Madis of Seattle Washington. In it Corcoran writes "One real eye-opening chapter is contributor Eric Madis' "The Evolution of Taekwondo from Japanese Karate." This tediously researched work pulls on punches to finally set the record straight on the true short history of taekwondo. In doing so, Madis leads the reader through the terribly twisted maze of misinformation about this Korean art that has been propagated and embellished since post-World War II." Way to go Eric! I've read that chapter in particular, and thought it was excellent as well. Mac http://McHenry.homeip.net/TangSooDo ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:20:40 -0700 (PDT) From: kim wyles To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Soo Bahk Do Clubs in South Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, just wondering if anyone knows of anywhere I might be able to find information about Soo Bahk Do Clubs in South Korea? I'm looking to travel there late next year and would like to know where I can go to continue my training. I've searched the www and have found nothing! I know the details for the Jang-Ang Do Jang but that's about all. Hopefully someone out there knows something that may be helpful. Thanks in advance, yours in Moo Do, Kim Wyles ------------------------ Kim Wyles Graphic Artist / Web Design StudioLabels.com.au _____________________________________________________________ Hey idiot! Get an email account to suit you at http://www.idiot.com.au --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:39:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Burton Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Book Review To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wel, after reading that Amazon.com is now one copy lighter.... Couldn't help ordering it! --- Dennis McHenry wrote: > Book Review: "Martial Arts in the Modern World" > Debunks Many Myths and Misinformation. > > In the August 2004 issue of MA Success (a > publication of the Martial Arts Industry > Association), has a product review of the book > "Martial Arts in the Modern World", co-edited by > Thomas Green and Joseph Svinth, reviewed by John > Corcoran. He speaks very highly of the book, and in > a paragraph highlight our very own Eric Madis of > Seattle Washington. > > In it Corcoran writes "One real eye-opening chapter > is contributor Eric Madis' "The Evolution of > Taekwondo from Japanese Karate." This tediously > researched work pulls on punches to finally set the > record straight on the true short history of > taekwondo. In doing so, Madis leads the reader > through the terribly twisted maze of misinformation > about this Korean art that has been propagated and > embellished since post-World War II." > > Way to go Eric! > > I've read that chapter in particular, and thought it > was excellent as well. > > Mac > http://McHenry.homeip.net/TangSooDo > > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno > SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up > today! > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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