Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:23:03 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #295 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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One-Step Sparring (Jason & Nicole Swanson) 2. Not ITF Tuls (Dena M) 3. Unified TKD WTF & ITF (Jye nigma) 4. Martial arts lands wireless blow (Ray Terry) 5. Re: One-Step Sparring (Stickfighter87@aol.com) 6. RE: One-Step Sparring (Hagness, Chris R.) 7. RE: TKD answer to grappling (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 8. Re: One-Step Sparring (jeffrey kiral) 9. MAIA or NAPMA (Amed Hazel) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Jason & Nicole Swanson" To: Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:49:08 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] One-Step Sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There has recently been some discussion about one-step sparring within my local TKD organization. I would be interested in the digest members' opinions on the topic. 1. Do you practice one-step, three-step or other such pre-arranged sparring within your do-jang? 2. I have recently been introduced to a version of one-steps with both participants in a fighting stance with the attack being a back hand punch versus the traditional version of down block, step forward in front stance punch. Which way do you do pre-arranged sparring in your do-jang? 3. Why do you do what you do? I currently teach my students in the traditional way using front stances through 3rd Gup. 2nd and 1st Gup practice one-steps from a fighting stance with the idea in mind of training for close range confrontation. My instructor has changed to teaching all one-steps from a fighting stance at his own school. He would like me to change too, but he has left it up to me to make my own decision about the training of the students at my school. I admit that I have not been convinced that the fighting stance method is superior. I feel like the different methods teach different skills and I am happy with the results I get. On the other hand, maybe I'm missing something. Jason Swanson 4th Dan Tae Kwon Do Swanson's Tae Kwon Do --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 06:45:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Dena M To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Not ITF Tuls Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sir, I looked at this site and these patterns resemble ITF Tuls but they are not performed like ITF Tuls and a lot of the chambers are wrong and even some of the moves are not performed in the same way. They look more like Karata than Taekwon-Do. Dena Martin 1. ITF Tul Site (Mike_Devich@selinc.com) From: Mike_Devich@selinc.com Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:02:58 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF Tul Site http://www.hyong.net/ --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:22:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Unified TKD WTF & ITF Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This may seem like a silly question, but what would a unified TKD mean? If WTF and ITF merged, what would that mean? What would be the pros and cons of something like that? Jye --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial arts lands wireless blow Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Martial arts lands wireless blow By Alfred Hermida BBC News Online technology editor One of the most popular martial arts in the world is being brought into the 21st century using wireless technology. Scientists at the Palo Alto Research Center in California have developed a system to measure the force of blows in the Korean sport of Tae Kwon Do. It works by using wireless sensors in the gear worn by competitors. "The fact it can work with the scoring system to improve a judge's performance is what we consider to be the novel aspect," said Dr Ed Chi. Apply force Tae Kwon Do is one of the most popular martial arts, officially practiced in 120 countries by more than 20 million people. It has its origins in the martial arts practised in Korea more than 2,000 years ago. Competitors earn points for landing blows to a scoring region of an opponent. Traditionally this has been left up to three judges, who decide whether a blow was accurate and powerful enough to count as a point. The team at the Palo Alto Research Center (Parc) in California have taken computing technology and adapted it to this ancient sport. They have created a body protector, called a hogu, implanted with wireless pressure sensors using piezoelectric materials. The piezoelectric sensors convert the force of a blow into an electrical signal which is transmitted to a laptop base station. The hi-tech hogu is due to go on sale at the end of the year and is expected to cost about the same as a normal one. Changing sports The team have shown off the system in regional matches in the US, but have yet to demonstrate it at an international tournament. "The system functions as an additional judge, rather than replacing them," Dr. Chi told BBC News Online, although he could foresee potential problems. "Currently there is an inherent bias against punches as a scoring implement as most judges do not believe that punches deliver the same amount of force as a kick." "With our system, we are able to establish how much force the punch was able to deliver and this could provoke controversy among judges if the punch was not scored." The system could also be used for other martial arts or contact sports such as boxing. But having technology accepted in a traditional sport like fencing have proved difficult. The Parc team looked into adapting the wireless sensors for fencing, so that players would not have to be physically tethered. "We were hoping that a wireless system would bring about a revolution to fencing," explained Dr Chi, who is a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. "But we discovered that the fencing world would have to change its rules if it wanted to use new technology." "The reality is that various kinds of technology have been introduced in a wide variety of sports and their degree of adoption can be controversial." --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Stickfighter87@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:01:20 EDT Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] One-Step Sparring To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One thing I'd like to say about (pre-arranged) sparring or one step. It builds weak attributes and it encourages you to think you can do one of these such movments in a real situation. The one step I used to learn was really un necessary really. I think its mostly something that teachers have just passed on to give them something else for a promotion requirement. What I think One Step sparring should be traded for is BUNKAI of each Kata. This then becomes more detremental and the exploration of what they are learning in Kata/Poomse/Hyung or whatever you call them... Each form has a set of movements that if analyzed correctly they will do the same thing as what ONE STEP is trying to add, except it will begin building on self defense, it will build attributes on how ot react to different angles of attack rather then stand and punch. When working Bunkai you begin exploring the options of grab attacks, multible attacks, attacks on your weak side of your guard, and you will gain a more better understanding of what your Forms are learning you. Outside of that being said, the only way to build a stronger attribute base is to spar in an uncontrolled environment or a NON STATIC type training. With as least amount of rules between the two as possible. Keep it basic and simple yet let it go that step further than normal sparring. No Eyes, No Groin, Light Facial contact, NO broken bones, go for submission, go from stand up to grappling, to submission this will then build attributes that you never knew you had. Otherwise your only selling yourself and your training short by standing there and trading punches to areas that by point sparring will build strengths that in the street only inbed bad habits. JUST MY .02 worth. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Hagness, Chris R." To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] One-Step Sparring Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:22:17 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Had to respond to the message below, as it is one of the weakest arguments for a technique and philosophy that has been used in many martial arts for centuries. Through proper visualization, application of principles, and variation of technique, one-step sparring provides a very good method of practice. You're given a partner, rather than punching at air. You are structured and repetitive, which builds retention both in mind-memory and muscle-memory. Unless you throw away all of your technique when you free spar, your one-step practice will translate easily and help you significantly. I'd say the letter below probably came from someone who hasn't mastered the basics, and therefore doesn't understand the benefits (or the drawbacks). As a dan-holder, I can say that I practice one-steps as much or more than any other method of training for taekwondo. I consider myself lucky if I get to practice them with a partner rather than one-stepping at air. Also, the writer suggests trading one-steps for bunkai of kata. Not exactly sure what s/he means by that, but aren't many one-steps taken from parts of forms and practiced against a partner? Isn't form basically many one-step techniques strung together and practiced without partners through visualization? The same emphasis on form/posture and application of the technique is present in both. Is s/he suggesting to do away with one-steps only to replace them with parts of forms practiced with partners? Makes no sense. Chris Hagness www.mafci.com -----Original Message----- From: Stickfighter87@aol.com [mailto:Stickfighter87@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:01 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] One-Step Sparring One thing I'd like to say about (pre-arranged) sparring or one step. It builds weak attributes and it encourages you to think you can do one of these such movments in a real situation. The one step I used to learn was really un necessary really. I think its mostly something that teachers have just passed on to give them something else for a promotion requirement. What I think One Step sparring should be traded for is BUNKAI of each Kata. This then becomes more detremental and the exploration of what they are learning in Kata/Poomse/Hyung or whatever you call them... Each form has a set of movements that if analyzed correctly they will do the same thing as what ONE STEP is trying to add, except it will begin building on self defense, it will build attributes on how ot react to different angles of attack rather then stand and punch. When working Bunkai you begin exploring the options of grab attacks, multible attacks, attacks on your weak side of your guard, and you will gain a more better understanding of what your Forms are learning you. Outside of that being said, the only way to build a stronger attribute base is to spar in an uncontrolled environment or a NON STATIC type training. With as least amount of rules between the two as possible. Keep it basic and simple yet let it go that step further than normal sparring. No Eyes, No Groin, Light Facial contact, NO broken bones, go for submission, go from stand up to grappling, to submission this will then build attributes that you never knew you had. Otherwise your only selling yourself and your training short by standing there and trading punches to areas that by point sparring will build strengths that in the street only inbed bad habits. JUST MY .02 worth. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 From: PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] TKD answer to grappling Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:09:06 +0100 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have found this to be true too. in my very first class we practices single leg and double leg take downs, sweeps, we also do throws in set sparring. IMO though I will take on some grappling training when I have a black belt. I feel that it is important to understand my art before I move on. SAMBO will probably be the discipline that I will try. -----Original Message----- From: Eddie Urbistondo [mailto:Instructor@RealTaeKwonDo.com] Sent: 24 June 2004 01:26 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD answer to grappling It all depends on the school you attend. At our school, our students are taught many counters to grappling from Traditional TKD. Black belt factory schools or schools teaching strictly sport TKD most likely will not teach defense for grapplers from traditional TKD. Master Eddie Urbistondo _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the number given, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "jeffrey kiral" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] One-Step Sparring Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:42:24 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net i agree...the one, three, etc. step sparring is a good tool with alot of benefits...just so long as it isnt the only sparring you do.... to the original author of this thread, another thing you can try is having one person just block from standing in one stance (cant move) while the other throws strikes or kicks...these can be prearranged or random. not only does this help your blocking or striking skills, or help you to see tell tale body movements, but it will also condition the body. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hagness, Chris R." To: Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:22 AM Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] One-Step Sparring > Had to respond to the message below, as it is one of the weakest arguments for a technique and philosophy that has been used in many martial arts for centuries. Through proper visualization, application of principles, and variation of technique, one-step sparring provides a very good method of practice. You're given a partner, rather than punching at air. You are structured and repetitive, which builds retention both in mind-memory and muscle-memory. Unless you throw away all of your technique when you free spar, your one-step practice will translate easily and help you significantly. > > I'd say the letter below probably came from someone who hasn't mastered the basics, and therefore doesn't understand the benefits (or the drawbacks). As a dan-holder, I can say that I practice one-steps as much or more than any other method of training for taekwondo. I consider myself lucky if I get to practice them with a partner rather than one-stepping at air. > > Also, the writer suggests trading one-steps for bunkai of kata. Not exactly sure what s/he means by that, but aren't many one-steps taken from parts of forms and practiced against a partner? Isn't form basically many one-step techniques strung together and practiced without partners through visualization? The same emphasis on form/posture and application of the technique is present in both. Is s/he suggesting to do away with one-steps only to replace them with parts of forms practiced with partners? Makes no sense. > > Chris Hagness > www.mafci.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Amed Hazel" To: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:46:49 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] MAIA or NAPMA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Is anyone interested in donating their old MAIA or NAPMA magazines or audio and video tapes? Also if some one is looking to share info please email me privately. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest