Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:01:49 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #296 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: One-Step Sparring (Ray Terry) 2. Re: Soo Bahk Do Clubs in South Korea (Ray Terry) 3. Re: Not ITF Tuls. (Mike_Devich@selinc.com) 4. stickfighter's two cents worth on one-step sparring (Eddie Urbistondo) 5. Re: Unified TKD WTF & ITF (Neil Burton) 6. Re: Not ITF Tuls (Neil Burton) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] One-Step Sparring To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > There has recently been some discussion about one-step sparring within my > local TKD organization. I would be interested in the digest members' > opinions on the topic. > > 1. Do you practice one-step, three-step or other such pre-arranged sparring > within your do-jang? The biggest problem I have seen with one-step and three-step sparring is that the attackers punches or kicks are frequently thrown without 'intention'. By that I mean the attacker should punch/kick the defender (the one practicing 1 or 3-steps) if they fail to perform the technique. No you don't have to hurt them, too much, but all too often (e.g.) a high punch is thrown over their head so that a person doesn't really need to execute a high block. The punch never would have hit anything in the first place. Punch at their chin so that if their block is missed they actually get tapped in the chin. Anything less teaches very poor self-defense skills. imo Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Soo Bahk Do Clubs in South Korea To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > just wondering if anyone knows of anywhere I might be able to find > information about Soo Bahk Do Clubs in South Korea? Have you checked with the US headquarters in New Jersey? I believe the number is (or was) 973.467.3971. There is also the Moo Duk Kwan head office in Seoul. A small gym, but I believe classes are held there a couple times daily. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Mike_Devich@selinc.com Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:29:08 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Not ITF Tuls. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Who cares. Look, anybody attending regular classes learns the forms during class time. From the instructor(s). Most instructors that I know, myself included, explain to the students that books and videos are OK for quick references/reminders. Not something to learn by. Also many clubs have their own little spin on the execution of the form. Yes, yes I know not with ITF but I will bet that I can go to many ITF schools do them slightly different: said nothing about the student, I meant the school. The ITF, I am fairly certain, do not own the forms. And before Choi got the boot, many kwons practiced that series of forms. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Eddie Urbistondo" To: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:36:17 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] stickfighter's two cents worth on one-step sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Stickfighter, I suggest you stay with stick fighting if you actually believe what you wrote down. First of all, one-steps are not effective if you haven't been training in three step sparring first. Three step sparring builds distance and timing. These are but tools to help in fighting. If you have learned traditional TKD, you use three step, one step and two man fighting forms to break down the forms you are learning. Each form has a certain principle to teach. At one point in my training 10 years ago, I changed a lot of one steps in my school to be used from a sparring stance thinking that standing there in the traditional stance would not work (untrained thinking), then I met one of my instructors and he wiped the mat with me showing me time and time again is all about the intricate details that I had not learned at that time. BTW, sparring full on with just about anything goes leads to many injuries when you are trying to train and learn. That's why we drill techniques to become second nature. Just my two cents worth. Master Urbistondo --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:47:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Burton Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Unified TKD WTF & ITF To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Before I add my tuppence worth please let me say that I am a relative newcomer to TKD (3rd Gup ITF).... Pros: ITF BBs get Kukkiwon certs ITF students compete in olympics ITF students have a larger base for competitions Cons: ITF and WTF are fundamentally different in focus - WTF is sport focused, ITF isn't. One of these two orgs will have to change Poomse/Tuls are different - one org will likely have to drop its patterns More politics (as if ITF or WTF needs that!) Problems in Dan recognition. Will WTF recognise ITF dans? I am working on the assumption that a merger would be more like a WTF takeover. WTF has by far the larger student base. I just don't see any need to merge. Anyway - the above is just my opinion - I am sure that others have different opinions, and I would be curious to hear mor eof the pro merger arguments as I just don;t see any compelling reason to merge (and no, I don't consider an alleged deathbed wish by the late General Choi as a compelling reason) --- Jye nigma wrote: > This may seem like a silly question, but what would > a unified TKD mean? If WTF and ITF merged, what > would that mean? What would be the pros and cons of > something like that? > > Jye > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:57:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Burton Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Not ITF Tuls To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For what its worth... I had a look at these and I don't agree that these look "more like karate than" tkd. These are ITF Tuls, performed without sine wave, and with some peculiarities. Might be worth pointing out that the site doesn't claim that they are ITF tuls, rather that they are TKD hyongs.....anyway - even ITF tuls have changed over the last 30 years. If you watch early video of the tuls from the ITF demo teams, the movements are the same, but teh execution is different --- Dena M wrote: > Sir, > > I looked at this site and these patterns resemble > ITF Tuls but they are not performed like ITF Tuls > and a lot of the chambers are wrong and even some of > the moves are not performed in the same way. They > look more like Karata than Taekwon-Do. > > Dena Martin > > > 1. ITF Tul Site (Mike_Devich@selinc.com) > From: Mike_Devich@selinc.com > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:02:58 -0700 > Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF Tul Site > > > http://www.hyong.net/ > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest