Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:01:06 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #300 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Unified TKD WTF & ITF (Ray Terry) 2. RE: Unified TKD WTF & ITF (Piotr Bernat) 3. Humor and abuse (Burdick, Dakin R) 4. Hapkido in Bloomington, IN? (jmchie@wideopenwest.com) 5. Tang Soo Do History (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 6. Re: RE: Unified TKD WTF & ITF (Neil Burton) 7. RE: Master West's Seminar (J R Hilland) 8. Stances (Rudy Timmerman) 9. RE: Hapkido in Bloomington, IN? (Kevin F. Donohue) 10. Intensive Korean Language Course for Foreigners (Ray Terry) 11. Re: The_Dojang digest, Horse stance (brent b) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Unified TKD WTF & ITF To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Currently an ITF student can't (to my knowledge > anyway) compete in the Olympics. A prerequisite is a > kukkiwon blackbelt. I believe that is no longer the case for the USA. Not sure about other countries. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Piotr Bernat" To: Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:28:59 +0200 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Unified TKD WTF & ITF Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I am not making an argument for ITF students wanting > to change - I personally like the current ITF > competions, which, as you rightly point out have > patterns and full contact. AFAIK, the ITF competitions are NOT full contact. At least, I can remember a fair share of people getting disqualified or at least receiving minus points for excessive contact during ITF competitions. As for myself, I don't care too much about the merging. We're pretty much separated from both ITF and WTF as none of these two promotes 100% what we would like to do. As long as the fedeartions don't forbid their members to take part in other groups' activities, I don't care too much how many of them are out there. Sadly this is not always the case, and the attitude "don't associate with him because he's not from our federation" is still there. Piotr Bernat www.taekwondo.prv.pl --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:44:37 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin R" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Humor and abuse Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Danny wrote: >Thanks for the post. That cracked me up! Practicing chicken beak for killing chickens, ox jaw for oxs and bear paw for bears! That's great! Thanks! It's nice to know someone enjoyed that post. I suspect that I annoyed more people than I amused, but that is the downside of using humor. My perception of myself as a BS filter is invariably balanced by my detractors' view of me as the south end of a northbound horse. I still remember all the lovely flames I got by talking about the Japanese origins of t'aekwondo back in 1990! By the way Rick, I love your use of Stilwell's "Illegitimis non carborundum!" Yours in the arts (still), Dakin --__--__-- Message: 4 From: jmchie@wideopenwest.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:08:40 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido in Bloomington, IN? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yesterday I accepted an offer for a new job. I will be moving from Hammond, Indiana to Bloomington, Indiana. I told my instructor and classmates last night that they've got one more month to get their licks in on me, because 4 hours is a little long to be commuting to class. My instructor knows some ninjutsu instructors down that way, but is not familiar with Hapkido schools in that area. So any information would be appreciated for Hapkido schools in Bloomington, Indiana. As much information as you might have . . . instructor, affiliations, if any (not a requirement), etc . . . . Once I get down there I'll probably visit a few places, talk to the students and instructors, and try to find a place I fit in. Thanks much in advance for any information provided. Jim McHie Jr. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:13:01 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Tang Soo Do History Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net George, Thanks for the info. I suspect we will eventually be the generation that will set the record straight, but you are right, it is very difficult while still under the wings of the first generation. Danny <<<<<<<< Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Unified TKD WTF & ITF To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Correct - ITF doesnt allow complete whacking - my mistake to write full contact. There is an interesting thread on this over at: http://www.itf-information.com/board/index.cfm?ac=vpo&postid=2418&topicid=6&s=1 I actually think that the competition rules revision that both master tran's and Chang Ungs ITFs have implemented bring us closer to full contact, as more protective gear must be worn... Anyway - thanks for the pointer - it is always good to get the facts straight - prevents the propogation of misinformation (thanks also to the poster on US Olympic TKD admissability for ITF - sorry I have deleted your post and cannot remember who posted - thought it was Ray Terry, but not sure) Kind Regards Neil --- Piotr Bernat wrote: > > I am not making an argument for ITF students > wanting > > to change - I personally like the current ITF > > competions, which, as you rightly point out have > > patterns and full contact. > > AFAIK, the ITF competitions are NOT full contact. At > least, I can remember a > fair share of people getting disqualified or at > least receiving minus points > for excessive contact during ITF competitions. > > As for myself, I don't care too much about the > merging. We're pretty much > separated from both ITF and WTF as none of these two > promotes 100% what we > would like to do. As long as the fedeartions don't > forbid their members to > take part in other groups' activities, I don't care > too much how many of > them are out there. Sadly this is not always the > case, and the attitude > "don't associate with him because he's not from our > federation" is still > there. > > Piotr Bernat > www.taekwondo.prv.pl > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:18:01 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Master West's Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have stayed at the: Best Western Metro, 1520 Ellis Avenue (Exit 42B), Jackson, MS 39204, 601-355-7483 (http://www.visitjackson.com/detail.php?id=179). They have an indoor pool. Jere R. Hilland www.rhapkido.com www.hapkidoselfdefense.com Greetings, all... We're hoping to get a group of our own "mutants" to go to the seminar in Jackson in August... I know the seminar is at the Holiday Inn North... But I have a question that's very critical to the wife: Which motels / hotels in the area have an indoor pool? :) I've tried searching on the web, but I keep finding conflicting information about various motels/hotels. Before I dropped a dime to call them, I thought I'd ask among those more familiar... :) Hey... Gotta know these things! :) Now I just gotta convince her to get on the carpet with us during the seminar :) Thanks for your time! <> - Bert --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:29:57 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Stances Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rick writes: > If you were to pick up a barbell what position would your feet be > placed? > Horse stance? > If you were to push a car what position would your feet be placed? > Front stance? > If you were to pull on a rope what position would your feet be placed > in? > Back stance? > > Ok, it's a simple way to put it but I truly believe stances have a > function > over and above just making your legs stronger or improving flexibility. Hi Rick: I see you and I agree on lifestyles (cultural differences) making a difference in our abilities. Your comments above are also a good indication of how stances can be used; however, the above examples are pretty much stationary and making the best use of our weight. In situations that require fast movement and agility, most folks find a more upright position best. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:30:45 -0400 From: "Kevin F. Donohue" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hapkido in Bloomington, IN? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jim, The University of Indiana at Bloomington has a Hapkido Program. I found that out by reading this article on one of their track stars: http://www.indystar.com/articles/5/152693-6285-106.html Lee's Martial Arts at 314 S. Walnut St. in Bloomington teaches TKD and Hapkido. Maybe Dakin Burdick can help you since he is located in that neck of the woods. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: jmchie@wideopenwest.com [mailto:jmchie@wideopenwest.com] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:09 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido in Bloomington, IN? Yesterday I accepted an offer for a new job. I will be moving from Hammond, Indiana to Bloomington, Indiana. I told my instructor and classmates last night that they've got one more month to get their licks in on me, because 4 hours is a little long to be commuting to class. My instructor knows some ninjutsu instructors down that way, but is not familiar with Hapkido schools in that area. So any information would be appreciated for Hapkido schools in Bloomington, Indiana. As much information as you might have . . . instructor, affiliations, if any (not a requirement), etc . . . . Once I get down there I'll probably visit a few places, talk to the students and instructors, and try to find a place I fit in. Thanks much in advance for any information provided. Jim McHie Jr. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Intensive Korean Language Course for Foreigners Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Fowarding... The Graduate School of Korean Studies of the Academy of Korean Studies is pleased to announce its new program of Intensive Korean Language Course for Foreigners. It is open to both students and scholars who are interested in spending one month of August 2004 studying Korean at the beautiful campus of the AKS. It is hoped that this program will be held during both summer and winter vacations eversince. Please refer to the following for the details of the program, or visit the AKS website at, http://www.aks.ac.kr/english/board/news_read.asp?num=16 Please note that the deadline for application has been extended to July 15, and we encourage you to send applications by email or fax. You are welcome to contact me for more information. Sincerely, Kim Hun-tae Assistant to the Graduate School of Korean Studies The Academy of Korean Studies 50 Unjung-dong, Bundang-gu Seongnam-si, Gyeonggi-do Republic of Korea 463-791 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Intensive Korean Language Course for Foreigners 1. Purpose Designed and run by the Graduate School of Korean Studies of the Academy of Korean Studies (AKS), this program offers foreign students (both undergraduate and graduate students) and anyone else interested intensive training in Korean language during the summer vacation of 2004. The program aims to double your language ability in a short period of time through on-site concentrated language studies in Korea. 2. Program Period August 2 - August 27, 2004 (4 weeks) 3. Location 1) Lecture Room: Lecture rooms and Audio-visual rooms of the Graduate School of Korean Studies, AKS. 2) Accommodation: AKS Guest House 4. General Schedules 1) Number of Participants: about 30 persons. 2) Class Formation: Elementary, intermediate, and advanced classes according to your Korean ability. Each class will be limited to 10 persons after the placement test and interview, but some flexibility is allowed. 3) Class Hours: 6 hours per day, 4 days a week (Mon, Tue, Thu, Fri). Please refer to the attached Lecture Schedule. 4) Text Book: Korean Language„°,„±,„² (published by Seoul National University Language Institute). 5) Lecturers: Korean language lecturers (Ph.D. holders) 5. Fees 1,000,000 Korean Won (all inclusive, such as tuition fee, textbooks, accommodation and meals, except optional fees for various cultural activities on Saturdays.) 6. Application Procedure 1) Application Deadline: June 1 - July 15, 2004 2) Application Forms: download from the AKS website (http://www.aks.ac.kr) 3) Application Methods: Mail, FAX, or E-mail. 4) Notification of Acceptance: July 17, 2004 5) Award and Privileges: Participants who complete the course successfully will be awarded certificates from the President of AKS. Participants have free access to AKS facilities including the library, fitness center, tennis courts, computer room, and so on). 7. Contact Address The Graduate School of Korean Studies The Academy of Korean Studies 50 Unjung-dong, Bundang-gu Seongnam-si, Gyeonggi-do Republic of Korea, 463-791 Tel: +82-31-709-8111 (ext. 213) Fax: +82-31-709-9946 Email: hunoppa@aks.ac.kr Lecture Schedule http://www.aks.ac.kr/english/board/news_read.asp?num=16 --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: brent b To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Horse stance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all, About horse stance forms - Chulgi is a nice little horse stance kata. You have just a couple of stances in the whole kata. A ready stance, a step over stance, and a horse stance. That's pretty much the whole kata. There has to be a reason for this. To me the horse stance is a wonderful place to be going into or working out of. It gives me a base of operation for which I can do just about anything. I have kicks and sweeps out of it, along with stamps and knees. It's well balanced and allows for variants quite well. If you need to get deeper into the stance, go wider or bent the knees a bit further. You are generally dropping your weight while going into the stance, or maintaining the height of you previous motion, which probably had brought your weight down. It's really easy to get to - a quick weight shift and you're into the stance. As for riding horses - that would be the horse stance that puts the pressure to the inside of the legs, slightly bringing the knees together. That's more Isshinryu or maybe some of the Shorinryu style types of the stance (naihanchi-dachi). Most of the Korean styles of the stance that I have seen are more on the balls of your feet, knee over ankle - no pressure in or out really but well rooted (kamaze). This is the style I like to use. I'm generally about one and a half to two shoulder width apart. Any wider would put you into a lower stance - more like the Shotokan style (tekki kata's). I do not like getting into the wider horse stance unless I'm controlling someone to the ground and I really need to lower the body. I've worked with the Chulgi kata some over the last few years and I find there's quite a bit more to the kamaze stance than what I once thought. But I'm lucky enough to have a very good instructor who is able to show how to find that stuff out. Brent Balfanz Yudansha ADJ 4. Re: Horse Stance (Jon Payne) 6. RE: Re: Horse Stance (Rick Clark) 9. RE: Re: Horse Stance (Rick Clark) -- __--__-- Message: 4 From: "Jon Payne" To: Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:36:26 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Horse Stance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>I don't think Kima (ja)se (Horse stance) forms were based on attacks while on horseback.>> I believe the Horse Stance was designed to develop leg strength. Jon -- __--__-- Message: 6 From: "Rick Clark" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Horse Stance Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:54:54 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Jon, > From: Jon Payne [mailto:payne1224@gt.rr.com] I'll try to be brief :-) "If" forms were a way to practice techniques that an individual would use in real self-defense, there might be an alternative explanation for stances rather than build leg strength. That puts us back to a position of asking why stances? Ok, my thoughts are really very simple. A stance will provide a person with a base from which to execute a technique in the most efficient manner. I think all would agree that you must be in a balanced position to deliver an effective technique. If you attempt to deliver any technique in an unbalanced position it will be weak and ineffective. Rick Clark -- __--__-- Message: 7 From: "jeffrey kiral" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Horse Stance Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:43:51 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net that was a very logical and concise explanation....the imagery was excellent...unfortunately, we will probably never know the truth behind the development of the stance, or why they are so similar amongst all martial arts. ----- Original Message ----- -- __--__-- Message: 9 From: "Rick Clark" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Horse Stance Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:17:06 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Jeffrey, > unfortunately, we will probably never know the truth behind > the development of the stance, This is a bit is a bit (for lack of a better word) odd to me. Will we know the thoughts of the first person to use a "stance" in a martial arts context? No, but there are things that are self evidently true - at least the way I see it. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest