Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 03:01:48 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #308 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Hap Ki Do school (Rudy Timmerman) 2. Video Clip 2 (Jye nigma) 3. From an article...Warrior cane (Jye nigma) 4. RE: Goin well. (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 5. From another group...Thoughts in BJJ (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:49:56 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hap Ki Do school Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tom writes: > I have had the honor of being on the mat with Master Borucki (Gobal > HapKiDo).... I also highly recommend Master Borucki to anyone going that direction. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Video Clip 2 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.taijutsu.com/vidarchive.htm# --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:55:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] From an article...Warrior cane Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net THE FIGHTING CANE by Joe Hess Because of the changes in our society and the laws that govern us, many persons are looking at weapons that they can carry on their persons and not be recognized as a deadly weapon. This weapon can be highly visible but not appear to be threatening. It has to be able to block, strike, control and protect. It has to be a weapon that any one sex can use without having to go through a long martial arts class to become proficient. This weapon has to possess strong characteristics, with speed and power both built into it. this weapon is The Fighting Cane. >From my first teachings in Gung-FU with my Sifu Pete Pernigotti, to my Goju training with Master Edward Verycken and Grandmaster Peter Urban, I have always had a love for weapons. The first weapon taught to me at an early age was the Sai. My Sifu would teach me training drills using weighted sais to build the power in my wrists, forearms, and shoulders. All of which would prove beneficial in later years for me as a World Champion in Kick-Boxing and as a Law Enforcement Officer. My love for weapons led me down a path of multiple weapons training, some in the Chinese arts and some in the Japanese arts. My desire to learn the short Jo and Long Bo are favorites in my teachings. I have always loved weapons that can strike very fast, and can trap and re-direct as you control, such as the Nunchaku with it's twirling and striking capabilities and the sai, with it's in close fighting movements using traps, strikes and take-downs. By learning these weapons I have learned a great deal about centrifugal force and control of the weapon, and the extension I am using which comprises total weapon mastery. If you take the in-close fighting techniques of the Sai you will see that it is truly a fighting weapon of command. If you take the best of the Sai and the Bo together you will come up with the FIGHTING CANE. Back in the early 1960's my Okinawan Sensei James Smithey who studied under Shimabuku introduced me to the cane, but my first actual offensive & defensive training came from Grandmaster Peter Urban, who used to carry around with him the Sheppards Crook. This long version of the cane was very unique. He created a series of defensive and offensive techniques that were uncanny. I have always loved the movements that were contained in this type of training, because it incorporated many techniques which were taught to me in prior styles and systems. The unique thing about the cane techniques was that I now had a weapon that I could carry in broad daylight and no one would ever question my carrying it. I could even take this weapon on board an airplane without being asked about it. The cane is truly a weapon where one cannot judge the book by it's cover. Hopefully after going through this text and observing the multitude of movements available to you when using a cane, you will be able to walk with more confidence. The first time I had ever witnessed anyone actually using a Cane in a television series was with a show called "BATT MASTERSON" He would always execute simple movements re-directing the bad guys and coming out the winner. CAPTIONS: 1-2. Subject approaches from the rear and places you into a rear body hold underneath your arms and locks you up 3-4. Quickly transfer the cane to your left hand and loop around the neck as you strike rearward with your left elbow trapping his right arm. As you pull him off balance and in-close to your back, Transfer the right hand around the cane and use both hands to pull forward as you choke him out. 5-6. As you choke him out begin to pull him over your right shoulder and take a short step back with your left leg, raise your right hand as you pull him off balance pulling with your left hand, deliver a knife hand strike to the side of his neck. 7-8. From a frontal attack as your attacker moves inward towards you quickly stop his forward motion by delivering a palm heel strike with your left hand to the center of his chest, at the same time hook the ankle pulling him off balance and backward onto the ground. 9-10. As the attacker hits the ground on his back, quickly deliver an overhead descending strike using the handle end of the cane to the center of his chest. Any type of follow-up strike can be delivered at this time if needed. 11. When approached by two attackers, quickly put air space between you and them by attacking quickly, snap strike the first attacker int he groin forcing to fall to the ground. 12. Notice that the force of the blow comes from the snapping of the wrist* directly upward using the tip end of the cane. 13-14. Quickly move into the second attacker by blocking his punch and hooking his neck. Pulling him downward and off balance using both hands to deliver this pulling force. 15. As you pull the attacker off balance downward, quickly deliver a strong right leg side kick to the knee joint. (Notice that the strong hand is in front and at the top end of the cane for more power. 16. As an option you can deliver a quick palm heel to the side of the face of the second attacker as you remain pulling downward with your strong hand. 17. As your first attacker begins to rise again, finish him off by using a forward tip end poke to the center of the chest, deliver this poke with both hands driving him backward. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Goin well. Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:40:32 +0100 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net this is also my opinion. because as you advance in your own style might just pick up so useful tips on the way! -----Original Message----- From: jeffrey kiral [mailto:JAKSKRU@peoplepc.com] Sent: 06 July 2004 19:45 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Goin well. it is my personal opinion that you should at least be grounded in one style, i.e. black belt, before you begin to cross train in others...although there is never anything wrong with picking up a few tricks or useful techniques from other martial artists! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" To: "Dojang Digest - Submissions" Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 6:11 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Goin well. > Hello all. > > Have gone well since my last post, just got my brown belt (2nd gup) tonight. > > Lord knows it has probably been raised already too many times, but what does > everyone think of people training in multiple styles, eg. do you think a > modern martial arts practitioner should have an allegiance to his/her current > style? > > Regards, > Dave > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the number given, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 17:02:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] From another group...Thoughts in BJJ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I completely agree. I've been watching a couple style vs style matches that anyone can download from www.bullshido.com. This match was a brazilian ju-kitsu guy versus a karate-ka. The ref starts the match, the bjj guys goes for take down, dodging the karate-ka's jab, they're on the ground in a moment, and soon enough the bjj guy had a nice arm-bar which ends the match. Now, this is all well and good, and in an environment of 1-man-vs-1-man with no weapons, bjj kicks butt. But, add any weapon into the mix, or add more than one person, and their entire strategy is going to have to change, but they just don't train for that. They train for the ring, and it works great there. But, imagine in that match that while the bjj guy has mounted the karate-ka and is busy spending a minute trying to get in position for his body-vs-arm arm-bar, karate-ka's pal comes up behind and puts a choke on, or stabs him, or starts kicking him or something. Is bjj what you want to use if it's you versus a street gang? Hardly, talk about shooting fish in a barrel, street-gang versus guy who likes to throw himself on the ground, can you say "stomp-down"? Even worse, take the example of warfare. Martial arts did not develop along the lines of BJJ in countries that had great martial experience, because if you ground yourself in a war, there's tons of people willing to come by and stick you while you're down there. While it's true that everyone should have ground skills, I see the those skills more as a basis to fall back on when something goes wrong with your stand-up fighting. That was another thing I saw in the judo matches you can d-l from that same site. In the judo matches, they were competing to see who could take who down, yet they were always going down with the guy they dropped. Again, this is not a desireable situation. In our taijutsu our goal is to throw our opponent and retain our feet while dispatching our opponent from at the least a one-leg kneeling position, to where you still have physical mobility, and still have your head up looking for the next line of attack. Yet there's all these bjj guys walking around, especially in my area, who think they're hot stuff on the street, but the style itself is only taking into account one kind of martial situation, and it has specialized its tactics in that. But I just can't do that myself since my goal is real personal protection in as street environment. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest