Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:43:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #317 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Injuries (Grnflea@aol.com) 2. Winning by accident (michael tomlinson) 3. Jackson Seminar Stuff (J. R. West) 4. Re: Japanese/Korean arts (ABurrese@aol.com) 5. RE: From another group.. Korean Arts Blocking (Michael Rowe) 6. Jackson, MS Seminar - First time attendees... (J R Hilland) 7. Jackson Questions (Charles Richards) 8. seminar (Rudy Timmerman) 9. Studio Liability Insurance (Wilson, Byron) 10. US North Korea GI defector (Ray Terry) 11. 2004 Simmudo Seminar (Hagness, Chris R.) 12. Sparring Seminar (17th) (Braeswood Martial Arts) 13. Re: Injuries (jeffrey kiral) 14. Re: Injuries (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Grnflea@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:44:40 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Injuries Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi, I recently tore - strained my calf muscle while kicking - it was the planted leg that tore. Does anyone know any good exercises to help strengthen that muscle and most importantly, how to prevent it from happening again? It's really painful.... I belt test in two weeks and would like to be able to move on. Thanks, Kim --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:53:47 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Winning by accident Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is the same scenario with the Ninja stuff,, "ninjitsu was the greatest martial art to study etc.etc.etc..." when I posted a rebuttal saying I actually studied ninjitsu before I formed my opinion a second post came through a month later saying I must be egotistical to write the post I did..?? Now it is another martial art that is "better" than the others.... haven't seen this kind of mindset since my teenager years...grow up or go study with someone who does these arts.. be sure and show them these posts also... Michael Tomlinson Sin Moo Hapkido, 5th Dan Green Dragon Dojang _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "J. R. West" To: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:42:06 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Jackson Seminar Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > 1) I know that while people tend to be pretty relaxed, most folks are > pretty traditional. So I presume that a full uniform is the preferred attire? We expect everyone to wear a full uniform, preferably no V-necks. The reason being that with as many grabs and chokes that will be going on, T-shirts and V-necks will not hold up for a full session, much less three days. Wear your belt!, not a white belt if you hold higher rank. > 2) On Saturday evening, after the seminar, is there typically a > get-together among the attendees? Do y'all do anything specific for DD > members? Or is everyone just on their own? :) We have a huge restaurant to ourselves on Saturday evening with an inexpensive MS buffet. Friday night we arrange for a, restaurant at the hotel to have a buffet at 9:00pm for hungry KMA types. > 3) Are spectators allowed? Is there a fee associated? Are they allowed to > take pictures (still shots)? Spectators are "usually" welcome without any associated fee. The exception would be kids running on and off the seminar floor, they will be asked to leave.....and last March we had a spectator that would walk around the floor and want to get involved in the seminar. He even approached me and wanted me to do a technique to him after seeing it demonstarted by one of the instructors. If this happens, he will be asked to jump off the roof.....Pictures are fine, but stay out of the way and off the floor.....JRW --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:55:24 -0400 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Japanese/Korean arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye writes: > Japanese/Korean arts are simple attack-based, they > do not have a Blocking Theory, (an actual structure > that samples next-moves of the opponent and not > just a singular blunt "block"), and they are mostly > just Play, and accidentally winning against somebody. WHAT? You obviously have had limited exposure to Japanese/Korean arts. Not to mention that a generalization of any one art is usually wrong, but all arts from Japan/Korea being generalized like that is just plain ignorant. Maybe what you wrote is not what you really mean, I hope so.... Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Michael Rowe" To: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:13:59 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: From another group.. Korean Arts Blocking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Hilland Writes: <> In response to the following: <<From Serrada theorem you can develop grappling, groundfighting, whatever.>>> Actually not so much garbage. When compared to Modern Arnis or Kombatan almost every Korean or Japanese martial arts instructor teaches just like described. The few that truly teach for the individual and not for the group may be different but they are few and not easily found. The Filipino arts are a integrated system that teaches many aspects from the same theorems. Michael Rowe "All I ask is a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. " mp_rowe@cox.net --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:27:58 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Jackson, MS Seminar - First time attendees... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am sure others may have answered this, but in the event they have not... Yes 1) I know that while people tend to be pretty relaxed, most folks are pretty traditional. So I presume that a full uniform is the preferred attire? We usually go to a local restaurant (Woods) together that Master West reserves just for our group. 2) On Saturday evening, after the seminar, is there typically a get-together among the attendees? Do y'all do anything specific for DD members? Or is everyone just on their own? :) Yes, No, Yes 3) Are spectators allowed? Is there a fee associated? Are they allowed to take pictures (still shots)? --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:40:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Jackson Questions Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I read: "We have several people who are hopefully going to be making it to the Jackson, MS Seminar in August... We've not been to it before, so I had some questions for those who've been there. I hope I can get these answered without having to bother Master West... 1) I know that while people tend to be pretty relaxed, most folks are pretty traditional. So I presume that a full uniform is the preferred attire? 2) On Saturday evening, after the seminar, is there typically a get-together among the attendees? Do y'all do anything specific for DD members? Or is everyone just on their own? :) 3) Are spectators allowed? Is there a fee associated? Are they allowed to take pictures (still shots)? Thanks in advance for everyone's time! MC Reply 1) Everyone wears a full uniform (of some sort). As the floor surface has varied over the years, and some of us have health issues, many wear the martial arts shoes also. 2) Saturday during the session Master West will announce which one of his restaurant buddies will host us. Plan on good service and a meal for under $10. You can of course go on your own throughout the weekend, and you'll see a few sub-groups head off at different times :-) 3) Better ask GM West about that. I do know that still and video is allowed of all sessions and the breaks are designed for you to scribble some notes. GM West and Master Terry will probably organize a DDer's photo on Saturday. See you in Jackson. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.mojakwan.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:17:52 -0400 From: Rudy Timmerman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Kat writes: > Thank you SJN for your never ending support! > Good luck to you and everyone in OR, please give my regards to all. > I will pass your well wishes to all here on Saturday! > Sincerely, Kat Hey, that is what we are all about. I sincerely MEAN that. I just wish I could be there, even if sparring is not one of the things that I do much of anymore. It is about learning ANYTHING that has to do with our arts. Thanks for the well wishes for my Oregon seminar in august. I plan to have a great times there with Kevin and his group and whoever else wants to come and have fun and train with us. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:30:33 -0400 From: "Wilson, Byron" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Studio Liability Insurance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone have a carrier that they would recommend for studio general liability, medical, etc>? any help would be appreciated. Byron Wilson [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] US North Korea GI defector Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net FWIW... There's a site with the November 1982 Life Magazine Article covering White's story at (begin quote) A MOTHER WEEPS FOR HER G.I. SON WHO DEFECTED TO NORTH KOREA WHAT MADE JOE JUMP? November 1982 Reporting: David Friend At first the puzzled U.S. Army simply called him AWOL. Facts were scarce. Around two a.m., August 28, Pfc. Joseph White, 20, walked away from Guard Post Oullette on the South Korean side of the Demilitarized Zone, shot off the lock of a gate and disappeared into no-man's-land. Within the day, North Korean broadcasts were exulting that an American soldier had "requested political asylum." If true, it was the first U.S. defection to North Korea in 17 years, the fifth since the DMZ was established in 1953 dividing South Korea from the Communist North. The previous GIs were used briefly for propaganda and were never heard from again. Back in Joseph White's hometown of St. Louis, his father, Norval, 52, a painter on a General Motors assembly line, insisted that his son had been captured. His wife, Kathleen, said through her tears, "It just doesn't make any sense. Why would Joey want to leave his ice cream, his chocolate syrup, his money?" But by the end of the week, a videotape of the young soldier shattered his family's hopes. Speaking in the Pyongyang People's Cultural Palace, Pfc. White, still in uniform, condemned U.S. militarism and then led a chant in homage to North Korean dictator Kim Ilsung. Joe White was a strange defector to Communism. He had been the arch-conservative in a family of blue-collar Democrats, a cold warrior who, at 13, wrote to his senator to warn of the Communist menace. Turned down by West Point, Joe enrolled in Missouri's Kemper Military School and College, where he was regarded as a loner. A fair student but a poor athlete, he dropped out and enlisted in the Army after deciding Kemper was full of "losers." In letters home from Korea, samples of which appear on the following pages, White gave no hint that his political ideas were shifting. If anything, he seemed only more fanatical. "It was drummed into him," Norval White recalls, " Hey, buddy. When you cross that line, you're gone forever." (end quote) Apparently Mary Ellen Mark was the photographer for the story, and has been kind enough to host both the photos and the story over at her website. Regards, Charlie, The KimcheeGI --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Hagness, Chris R." To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:21:27 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] 2004 Simmudo Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm posting this letter at the request of Professor Chambers, 9th dan Yudo/Jujitsu. http://www.martialartsusa.com/ TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: It was a great privilege and opportunity to attend the annual Korea Simmudo Association seminar, during the month of May 2004, at the Martial Art Fitness Centers at Rochester, Minnesota. Again, Master Fred Gommels was the host of this annual event, where Grandmaster Pan Gon Song taught his masterful martial arts skills for six straight days. The seminar ended the final day with black belt testing for those qualified and eager to demonstrate their skills. I was most pleased and honored to accept an invitation to share my martial arts skills, over a three-day period, in the arts of yudo, yusool and jujitsu. The turn out for GM Song's seminar was great and the enthusiasm from those in attendance was as usual, superb! A great variety of techniques from a number of martial arts were presented in fine detail for all to absorb. As a student and teacher of the martial arts for more than fifty years, I always come away with a number of new techniques, or at least a fresh approach in understanding those techniques. This just adds even greater quality and quantity to the arts that I already teach and share. The food was great, the entertainment was top of the line, and the martial arts show at the University Sports Complex was fabulous. A special thank to you all who were involved in organizing this event, and a special thanks again, for inviting me to be part of this annual event. There is no event that brings together a greater quality of martial artists, who are dedicated to their arts or work any harder than this group. What a great pleasure to be a part of this special event and to fellowship with such a dedicated group. John E. Chambers Professor John E. Chambers Martial Arts USA --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:05:36 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sparring Seminar (17th) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net WOW what a great day we had here at Braeswood Martial Arts! Master Hodder had us all smiling sweating and learning before the first hour was up. We all worked up a great appetite for lunch:) For the first time in a long time, I felt like a white belt. For a hapkido person, the Olympic Style Sparring is very different but what great knowledge to add to the arsenal. The day started with conditioning and stepping drills and ended with speed drills, in-between we padded up and went after it. We hope to host Master Hodder here again and perhaps make this an annual treat. This was my first ever sparring seminar and I cannot wait to try out some of my new knowledge. Thank you Master Hodder for a great day! Kat --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "jeffrey kiral" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Injuries Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:37:35 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net hope this helps: http://www.bragmanhealth.com/books/sports/ch12.html#0006 http://www.dolfzine.com/page554.htm http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=InjuryPrevention also, be sure to check out the rest of those sites...there is invaluable info there for training... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 12:44 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Injuries > Hi, > > I recently tore - strained my calf muscle while kicking - it was the planted > leg that tore. Does anyone know any good exercises to help strengthen that > muscle and most importantly, how to prevent it from happening again? It's > really painful.... > > I belt test in two weeks and would like to be able to move on. > > Thanks, > Kim > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Injuries To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I recently tore - strained my calf muscle while kicking - it was the planted > leg that tore. Does anyone know any good exercises to help strengthen that > muscle and most importantly, how to prevent it from happening again? It's > really painful.... > > I belt test in two weeks and would like to be able to move on. Both of the times I tore my calf I could hear it tear, sounded just like a sheet ripping. If your calf is badly torn you won't be doing any kicking for a few weeks. Same goes with walking normally. Stretch it slowly and carefully several times a day for a few weeks and it will eventually get to the point where you can walk normally. Then move on to doing some easy and slow kicks. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest