Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:49:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #324 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. nkmaa sEMINAR (Dewitt, Garrett) 2. Martial arts at Ft. Drum, NY (clay schermerhorn) 3. (no subject) (Keith Shaw) 4. Flooring options for martial arts (Jeff Yeagley) 5. Re: Flooring options for martial arts (Linda Valdivia) 6. Re: Ft. Drum School (blueknightpi@att.net) 7. RE: Oyama Fighting (Stovall, Craig) 8. RE: RE: Oyama Fighting (Kevin F. Donohue) 9. Yi Yuk-sa Centennial (fwd) (Ray Terry) 10. Puzzle Mat Maintenance (Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)) 11. RE: Flooring options for martial arts (Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Dewitt, Garrett" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 07:21:43 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] nkmaa sEMINAR Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To all DD individuals. DeWitt Martial Arts will be having the annual NKMAA Seminar here in Brainerd, MN., on Sept 11th. If anyone on this DD list is vacationing or just bumming through central Minnesota at that time, you are welcome to join us. Grandmaster Rudy Timmerman has made it clear that "everyone must have a great time." I kind of, sort of know what that comment means. Thank You Garrett --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "clay schermerhorn" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:48:08 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial arts at Ft. Drum, NY Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Linda, Check out www.niblettskaratestudio.com There is a studio in Calcium (which is where one of the main entrances is to Fort Drum). We have many Drum soldiers study here. Good luck. CB ---------------------- Hi. I am coming out of lurk mode to ask a question. My son just finished Army Basic training and is being stationed at Ft. Drum, NY for the time being. After his limited hand to hand combat training, he has decided he needs to study a martial art. Does anyone know of a good martial art school on or near to Ft. Drum? He is not at all picky about style, as long as he can learn something worthwhile. Thanks. Linda 1st Dan, TKD _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Keith Shaw" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:03:06 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net IMHO, and with respect to the martial artists in the video. I was not impressed, especially with the opponent. The opponent did not have very good technical skills which made it easy for Oyama to get shots in. Alot of windmilling and not clean techniques. Keith Shaw National Karate Institute 1st Dan -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Jeff Yeagley" To: Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:48:39 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Flooring options for martial arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We will be relocating to a larger building in the spring. It is a warehouse with a concrete floor. Our main workout floor for Tae Kwon Do will be about 4,000 sq ft. Obviously with all the jumping and landing we will need some other type of flooring than simply carpet on concrete. I am just venturing out into the martial arts as a full time career after running my dojang part time for over twenty years, so cost right now is a concern but I want to do it right. Has anyone worked out on the "puzzle mat" interlocking squares? What about a "floating" wood floor like aerobic studios use? I have also seen a company which bonds carpet to foam matting. I would appreciate feedback from anyone who has experience with any of these, or any other ideas. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Jeff Yeagley Chief Instructor Academy of Fighting Arts Business Phone: 816-525-5555 Personal Phone: 816-405-5425 Email: jeff.yeagley@wetrainharder.com Web: http://www.wetrainharder.com [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 07:31:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Linda Valdivia Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Flooring options for martial arts To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The dojang that I attend currently has a "puzzle mat" floor. It is ok, but it is hard on the feet, and is difficult to keep clean. Just my two cents! Linda Jeff Yeagley wrote: We will be relocating to a larger building in the spring. It is a warehouse with a concrete floor. Our main workout floor for Tae Kwon Do will be about 4,000 sq ft. Obviously with all the jumping and landing we will need some other type of flooring than simply carpet on concrete. I am just venturing out into the martial arts as a full time career after running my dojang part time for over twenty years, so cost right now is a concern but I want to do it right. Has anyone worked out on the "puzzle mat" interlocking squares? What about a "floating" wood floor like aerobic studios use? I have also seen a company which bonds carpet to foam matting. I would appreciate feedback from anyone who has experience with any of these, or any other ideas. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Jeff Yeagley Chief Instructor Academy of Fighting Arts Business Phone: 816-525-5555 Personal Phone: 816-405-5425 Email: jeff.yeagley@wetrainharder.com Web: http://www.wetrainharder.com [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang "That which does not kill me makes me stronger" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: blueknightpi@att.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:37:02 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Ft. Drum School Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Contact Blane Harding who teaches Modern Hapkido, street oriented style. Operates from TKD School World TaeKwonDo Academy 103 North Massey Street Watertown, NY 13601 1-315-778-6132 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:40:00 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Oyama Fighting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dakin writes, <<>> Blasphemer. You're on my watch list, mister. Ray writes, <<>> More blasphemy! Come on now!!! They didn't call him the "God Hand" for nothing. He used to fight baby...errr, I mean full-grown bulls with nothing but his fists, a loin cloth, and a flair for promotion. Killed 'em too. One punch they say. If he could do that then one of his love taps would probably cave your chest in and leave a hump in your back. The man lived in the woods for two years!!! He would lift rocks all day, and jump over the trees that he had just knocked down with a knife hand strike. And then he would wrestle bears...in a loin cloth!!! Do you know how tough it is to get a bear into a loin cloth? I've tried it with raccoons and it ain't easy I'll tell you! And another thing...they made a movie about him. Yeah, he was played by Sonny Chiba. Dude, that was like the Japanese Charles Bronson. A-list, baby!!! Yeah...what you gotta say now, player hater? Ok, I'm being silly. Yeah, those clips have always kind of struck me as a bit "promotional". But then again, Oyama was a genius of self-promotion. Whether it was the bull fights, or the pro wrestling angles he did he was one of the first martial artists that really went out and sought the spotlight. I'm sure he was awesome, and I would not want to be standing on the end of one of his punches. The man was a rock! However, it would really be interesting to have some footage of him showing what he could really do. I don't really think we're seeing that in the clip, and the student seems to be playing the bit of the fall guy. For me, Oyama will always be a bit of an enigma. Yes, there's been a ton of material written about him, but most of it smacks of tall tales and embellished half-truths. It would be interesting to have a true glimpse of the man behind the legend. At any rate, he still represents somewhat of a source of inspiration to me. He represents the classic image of the "old school karate man" who has forged his mind and body through total commitment, hard training and self-denial. Not too many of those cats are around these days. I hope no one interprets my comments about Oyama as being disrespectful. Just poking fun at some of the legend building that took place after his demise. But what Dakin and Ray said...that's just blasphemous. For shame, gentlemen. Craig "Sonny Chiba's #1 Fan" Stovall CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:07:08 -0400 From: "Kevin F. Donohue" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Oyama Fighting To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A little story about Mas Oyama. A few of Japan's top Karate people went to Thailand to show the Thai Kickboxers the supremacy of Japanese Karate. The Karate people all lost under the Thai rules and were embarrassed badly. Mas Oyama traveled to Thailand and fought the reigning Thai Champion so that he could defend Karate's reputation. The first round went to the Thai fighter since Oyama was trying to gauge his opponent and the rules that were employed. After that Oyama destroyed the Thai fighter. Thailand's former champion then challenged Oyama to a fight and Mas Oyama destroyed him as well. A few years later a few of Mas Oyamas top students went to Thailand to accept another challenge and they were also successful. Mas Oyama was actually a Korean (Yong-I Choi). He was a bit on the extreme side when it came to promotion and training methods but he was considered by his peers to be amazing. He was a pioneer in the sense that he studied under a variety of teachers and absorbed what was useful and discarded what he felt was impractical... Sounds like Bruce Lee before Bruce. His matches against wrestlers and boxers was nothing new, prominent Judo and Jiujutsu men had been involved in similar public displays in Europe and North America long before Mas Oyama. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Stovall, Craig [mailto:CStovall@nucorar.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:40 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Oyama Fighting Dakin writes, <<>> Blasphemer. You're on my watch list, mister. Ray writes, <<>> More blasphemy! Come on now!!! They didn't call him the "God Hand" for nothing. He used to fight baby...errr, I mean full-grown bulls with nothing but his fists, a loin cloth, and a flair for promotion. Killed 'em too. One punch they say. If he could do that then one of his love taps would probably cave your chest in and leave a hump in your back. The man lived in the woods for two years!!! He would lift rocks all day, and jump over the trees that he had just knocked down with a knife hand strike. And then he would wrestle bears...in a loin cloth!!! Do you know how tough it is to get a bear into a loin cloth? I've tried it with raccoons and it ain't easy I'll tell you! And another thing...they made a movie about him. Yeah, he was played by Sonny Chiba. Dude, that was like the Japanese Charles Bronson. A-list, baby!!! Yeah...what you gotta say now, player hater? Ok, I'm being silly. Yeah, those clips have always kind of struck me as a bit "promotional". But then again, Oyama was a genius of self-promotion. Whether it was the bull fights, or the pro wrestling angles he did he was one of the first martial artists that really went out and sought the spotlight. I'm sure he was awesome, and I would not want to be standing on the end of one of his punches. The man was a rock! However, it would really be interesting to have some footage of him showing what he could really do. I don't really think we're seeing that in the clip, and the student seems to be playing the bit of the fall guy. For me, Oyama will always be a bit of an enigma. Yes, there's been a ton of material written about him, but most of it smacks of tall tales and embellished half-truths. It would be interesting to have a true glimpse of the man behind the legend. At any rate, he still represents somewhat of a source of inspiration to me. He represents the classic image of the "old school karate man" who has forged his mind and body through total commitment, hard training and self-denial. Not too many of those cats are around these days. I hope no one interprets my comments about Oyama as being disrespectful. Just poking fun at some of the legend building that took place after his demise. But what Dakin and Ray said...that's just blasphemous. For shame, gentlemen. Craig "Sonny Chiba's #1 Fan" Stovall CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email transmission contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entities named above. If this email was received in error or if read by a party which is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error or are unsure whether it contains confidential or privileged information, please immediately notify us by email or telephone. You are instructed to destroy any and all copies, electronic, paper or otherwise, which you may have of this communication if you are not the intended recipient. Receipt of this communication by any party shall not be deemed a waiver of any legal privilege of any type whatsoever as such privilege may relate to the sender. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Yi Yuk-sa Centennial (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Perhaps a few members of this list might like to know that Andong is celebrating the centennial of the birth of the independence fighter and poet Yi Yuk-sa this coming weekend July 30 - August 3 and beyond with a variety of events. Full details are at http://www.264.or.kr Brother Anthony Sogang University, Seoul, Korea --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:04:39 -0500 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Puzzle Mat Maintenance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net If you use a little mild soap and hot water with a stiff bristle brush they usually clean up pretty nice. You will also want to scrub it with a water & bleach to sanitize once or twice a month. The nice thing about puzzle mats is if one gets to grimy just buy a new piece and pop it in. You think puzzle mats are hard on the feet. Try vinyl floor tile on concrete. After a year of that I could tap dance barefoot with the calluses on my feet! :o) (lovely image he he) Brian Woodard -----Original Message----- From: Linda Valdivia [mailto:ljvaldivia@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:32 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Flooring options for martial arts The dojang that I attend currently has a "puzzle mat" floor. It is ok, but it is hard on the feet, and is difficult to keep clean. Just my two cents! Linda --__--__-- Message: 11 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Flooring options for martial arts Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:47:44 -0500 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Having been in dojangs that each has had one of these flooring systems I will comment on each. 1. Floating wood floor. I LOVE this floor system. If I had my own dojang, I would have this system with a few floor mats for takedowns and throws. If you do not have heating/air conditioning, and are in a humid climate this could become maintenance issue overtime. 2. Puzzle mats. One of my old dojangs switched to these. It took awhile to get use to the surface. They tend to be slippery when sweating. You will still want floor mats if you practice throws; however takedowns and brakefalls are fairly comfortable with just the puzzle mat on a concrete floor. This is a pretty cheap option that is low maintenance. 3. Carpet over foam matting. I would stay away from this. If you have a lot of traffic or you have certain areas where you do particular repetitive drills you will get uneven ware. You will also start getting wrinkles in it after about a year or so. Re-stretching the carpet is necessary and required often. Overall if you are looking to keep costs down, I would go for the puzzle mats in the beginning. Hope this helps. Brian Woodard -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Yeagley [mailto:jyeagley@kc.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:49 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Flooring options for martial arts We will be relocating to a larger building in the spring. It is a warehouse with a concrete floor. Our main workout floor for Tae Kwon Do will be about 4,000 sq ft. Obviously with all the jumping and landing we will need some other type of flooring than simply carpet on concrete. I am just venturing out into the martial arts as a full time career after running my dojang part time for over twenty years, so cost right now is a concern but I want to do it right. Has anyone worked out on the "puzzle mat" interlocking squares? What about a "floating" wood floor like aerobic studios use? I have also seen a company which bonds carpet to foam matting. I would appreciate feedback from anyone who has experience with any of these, or any other ideas. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Jeff Yeagley Chief Instructor Academy of Fighting Arts Business Phone: 816-525-5555 Personal Phone: 816-405-5425 Email: jeff.yeagley@wetrainharder.com Web: http://www.wetrainharder.com [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest