Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 03:02:42 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #338 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Mississippi (Kevin) 2. Re: RE: Thoughts on Seminars (Thomas Gordon) 3. RE: RE: Thoughts on Seminars (Thomas Gordon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Kevin" To: Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:19:49 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Mississippi Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello my Mississippi friends, There was something definately lost in the translation of my last e-mail. I was attempting to hit a funny bone in the comparison of the geographical difference between the West coast and Jackson, MS (not at all of the seminar or people). Only if you have been to both places in the summer could you of picked up on that one, sorry to those who didn't get it... Nearly all of you know me from the West seminars in all aspects and also know I am an avid supporter of him and the group otherwise I would not return year after year. Maybe I am a little too light hearted but I have always believed "If you can't smile and do HapKiDo then you shouldn't be doing it". As usual, I encourage everyone to attend JR's event in MS. Master Hodder, I could not of said it better myself. If you are ever out in portland you have on open invitiation at my place. Sincerely, Kevin Janisse --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:46:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Thoughts on Seminars From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To me, a seven day seminar for $650 is not a bad price. $65 for a weekend at Master West’s is unbelievably inexpensive. The caliber of instructors at his seminar would easily demand three times that much. I attended a 4 hour seminar costing $165 for one big name in the martial art world. And personally, I felt it was worth the price – I suppose the other 80 folks did too. Anyway, all this talk of making money and cost of seminars is almost humorous when you consider the cost of dahn ranking. How much is testing from ITF, KKW, ATA, USTF, Kidohae, and so on? How much does first degree black belt cost at a “modern school?” One school in our area charges $89 a month with no test fees for gup ranks. Assuming a three year training schedule and $150 black belt exam, you’ll be $3354 not counting extra uniforms, tournaments, seminars, etc. Plus the missed overtime, gas, and other expenses. Surely $3000 is too much money for a struggling student. If so, hope none of the children play sports, band, etc. Is there something wrong with making money? I don’t mean extortion like charging $1000 for a two day seminar. Something more realistic like assume I spend $2000 to bring Grandmaster SoAndSo to my area and charge $45 for a seminar. 60 folks show up and I end up making $700. Or did I? How much time did I dedicate to setting this seminar up? Building usage? Utilities for the building? And so on. The college kids don’t “have” to come – and no, I’m not being mean, I was a college kid once too and missed out on things because of "lack of funds." So we make a seminar so college kids can afford and then the high school kids think it’s too much so we drop the price again. Hey, what about the homeless folks? Where does it end? Hey, options are nice but so are turn-key packages. There is absolutely nothing dirty about making money (so long as it doesn’t compete with the oldest profession.) And before I get blasted for being a sell out, I charge $65 a month for training with no contracts, “buy up” programs, or games. Figure out the cost of seminar, add in a bit of money for your trouble, and let it go. There’s my opinion, for what it’s worth. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Thoughts on Seminars Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:11:32 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "I attended a 4 hour seminar costing $165 for one big name in the martial art world. And personally, I felt it was worth the price - I suppose the other 80 folks did too." Correction, it was a six hour seminar and $145 at the door - $125 if you pre-registered. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest