Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:01:52 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #342 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Dojo/Dojang Dating (Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy) 2. dojang dating (Dragons81@aol.com) 3. Dating scenario (J.R. West) 4. [Eskrima] Seminar with Grandmaster Vincent Cabales (fwd) (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:34:11 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Dojo/Dojang Dating Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'd like to ask one further question on this subject. What about instructors dating the mother or father of one of their students? You know, the good lookin' single mom who faithfully brings little Sally to every class and stays to watch......her daughter AND you... Just wondering what everyone thought of that situation. JM --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Dragons81@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:44:41 EDT Subject: [The_Dojang] dojang dating To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One of the blackbelts at my dojang is engaged to a student he met through class. If they have a happy ending then it can't be all bad. There aren't any girls my age there so I have little to worry about. I did have a crush on one of the students I teach but made no moves and tried not to let any weird feelings show. The closest I got to revealing myself was when I was trying to explain what she could do to improve her poomse and I couldnt keep a straight face and we both started laughing uncontrollably. I don't think she suspects anything so I haven't brought up the issue. On the other hand, martial arts is my biggest interest and I want a girl I can spar and train with. Where else am I going to find one besides at this or another dojang? --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "J.R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:02:52 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dating scenario Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In my opinion, no instructor should ever date his or her students, regardless of their rank, and we make it a requirement that none of our blackbelts date students. There was a case once where a 5th dan instructor was seeing a student without my knowledge, when the relationship went south, I lost her and her two teenage sons. Following that, this same instructor began a relationship with a young yellow belt student, and when a new 1st dan expressed an interest in her, the 5th dan read him the riot act about our "non fraternization policy". Shortly after this, I learned of the situation and confronted the instructor, who said there was nothing to the story, but the young lady involved admitted that there was a relationship. I let the instructor go as much for the act as for denying it, and when he left, he was dating another student who also had a son in class. I ended up losing around a dozen students over this situation, and hard feelings linger to this day. Dating someone that you have power over (real or imagined) borders on sexual harassment, at least in the eye of the victim. No-one wins in this situation, as the lower rank is looked upon as "she would never have gotten that belt if it wasn't for Mr. X", and the instructor loses that separation between himself and his students that is SO necessary to teach sucessfully, whether in the classroom or dojang. By the way, my wife (who was the meanest woman in all HapkiDo) was NOT my student when we began our relationship.....J. R. West --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] [Eskrima] Seminar with Grandmaster Vincent Cabales (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net fyi... Forwarding from the Eskrima list. Ray ============================================================ For The First Time On The East Coast! Grandmaster Vincent Cabales, Son of the legendary Angel Cabales, A Weekend Workshop on the Cabales-Serrada Ecrima System Don't miss this exciting and unique opportunity to train in the ultimate close-quarter Escrima systems! It is the first escrima system taught publicly in the U.S. by Grandmaster Angel Cabales - Many famous Kali/Escrima/Arnis teachers have trained at the Serrada Escrima Academy in Stockton CA including Guro Dan Inosanto -Famous student of Bruce Lee and the current heir of Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do When: October 23-24 2004 Saturday/Sunday Where: 11-02 Clintonville St. Whitestone, NY 11357 Price: (1) Day $ 90.00 (each day) (2) Days $ 170.00 (at the door) Pre-registration prior to 10/01/04: Both days: $155.00 For all inquiries please contact: Mr. John Kovacs M.A., Sensei Ph: (646) 207-1243 E-mail: rcnyc33@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 1900 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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