Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:36:02 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #345 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Help: Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 1600 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Training horseback stance... (Eric Walker) 2. Dating and Punching...not the same person...:) (L. Veuleman) 3. RE: punching the dragon (Dana Yeagley) 4. Punches from Horse Stance (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 5. South Korea moves capital city (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 6. Re: schools in MD (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 7. RE: Punches from Horse Stance (Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)) 8. 2nd Dan Testing (Bert Edens) 9. Re: Dojang Dating (luke rose) 10. TKD coverage in the US (Ray Terry) 11. Re: Punching the Dragon (luke rose) 12. Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #343 - 14 msgs, Punching The Dragon (Gag1407@cs.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Eric Walker" To: Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:17:48 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Training horseback stance... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Terry asked: "The question... who among you still teach/train this way? Why? Why not?" We still do a bit of this. Due to a short class week though, we aren't able to focus on the basics as much as I would like. Mostly we spend time on these types of exercises when we have new students. I think it is very helpful for strength and stability as well as laying the groundwork for good, clean technique. Also standing in HB stance and practicing pressing punches are, in my humble opinion are good early training for ki control. Good stuff, I wish we could do more of it in class, alas we often leave it up to the student after 8th gup or so... Eric --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:59:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Veuleman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Dating and Punching...not the same person...:) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Digest, Wow, lots of talk on dating students. I too met my ol lady before she was in my classes, heck, I think I made it a requirement to marry me jokingly at one point and time to her. Did I mean it? No. Some times it is hard, especially when you have great girls out there that just want to show interest in what their boytoy is doing, which I think is great. I say if it starts outside the arena of classes, its pretty much okay, but dating should never be initiated inside the hall. Instructors, you will notice traits among students who are showing a liking to one another, like always partnering up or talking for extended periods of time after class or at their cars, etc. Having a strong policy in place like Master West has will insure the seriousness of your intent, then you just have to police the area every once in a while. Every case is different I suppose... On other notes, glad to be back around the digest, I recently got married to miss amanda, now Mrs. Amanda i suppose, and also took a new job which has kept me very busy. The Jackson carpet inspecting festival seems to be earlier this year, and with the wedding stuff, I really lost track of time. I hope my sidekick in Natchitoches Nathan has thought about taking a crew over there...it is at a H.I., have you thought about it Nathan? Ray, you mentioned the horse stance punching, yes sir, we still do it. Why? my instructor told me to. his told him to. etc. :) There are tons of great reasons out there for this type of training, but I think doing it because thats the way you were shown is the best answer. Master Mac, on the Sip Soo you taught Amanda and I, the 'pawing' (for a lack of better words) early on in the form: You sometimes mention your forms have hints of other things you have learned in them, sometimes mixtures, were these strikes from Tang Soo Do or something else? (Does this mean I have started Bunkai'ing you?) We are doing like an inverted ridge hand type strike from the small of the back...its...different to say the least, but hey....look at our uniforms :) Hows mindy? Alright, let me close this up, hello out there to everyone I havent mentioned so far like Charles James Chris from CT Kent Bruce (in no particular order!) Charlie Veuleman --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Dana Yeagley" To: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:23:04 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: punching the dragon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've been reading Dojang digest for about six to seven months now and practicing TKD for seven years (1st Red). I read with interest and a little surprise about the other schools doing up to three punches in the horse stance as warm ups. I would like to print this string and give it to my instructors (my husband included, I know..... a whole other DD subject) but I'm afraid it would get me about 500 extra push ups after class. :0 We do center punches in a straddle stance EVERY CLASS as a warm up, only we go all the way up through 10. I know it is to build our leg strength. At the very end of our Black Belt test the candidate is required to stand in a straddle stance for 15 minutes. Bottom line..........I don't really like doing center punches in a straddle stance, but it does put me in the right frame of mind to start class and I, as an adult, know I will need them for my next test (Black Belt). Dana -----Original Message----- From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net [mailto:the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:02 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #344 - 8 msgs Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > One of the early scenes in this 1973 movie has Jim Kelly visiting a Kenpo > Karate school during a workout. The class is doing single, double (and > triple?) middle punches from the horse stance. Kihaps a plenty. > > Reminded me of a typical TSD and/or TKD class of this same time period. > Standing there in the horse stance punching away was boring but it did > serve a purpose. The legs got stronger and the punches were well grooved > into muscle memory. > > The question... who among you still teach/train this way? Why? Why not? > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:26:45 -0500 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Punches from Horse Stance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well, All my classes, white through dan, punch from horse stance every class. First thing after warmup. Yeah, we still do that. We still have 2 hour classes. And then we go through other hand techniques and kick, yes through every basic kick every class. But then, kicking and punching is what we do in Tang Soo Do. 100 to 200 punches a day keep you tuned up. And even though it isn't to popular any more, we still do deep stances. Not for fighting, but because it builds muscle and engrains power development. We also spend a lot of time doing hyung, then one step sparring and self defense and end up with free sparring. Danny Dunn --__--__-- Message: 5 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:28:29 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] South Korea moves capital city Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://ap.washingtontimes.com/dynamic/stories/S/SKOREA_NEW_CAPITAL?SITE=DCTMS& SECTION=HOME Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 6 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:29:36 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: schools in MD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net thanks to everyone who gave information on and offlist about schools in MD! tis appreciated. take care, melinda :) Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy www.cjmaa.com 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply www.cjmas.com 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Punches from Horse Stance Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:34:55 -0500 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We have a two hour class also. We have a 10 -15 min warm down that starts off with everyone doing 10 solerplex (sp?) punches in horse stance with everyone counting out load. Then we do 10 punches with each student individually counting out load. This continues up the ranks from white belt to black. Then the instructor counts out 3 sets of ten at the end. As we go through the ranks the speed of the punches are increased. We usually have 8 to 10 students plus the instructor. Doing the math, that's around 140 punches all done in horse stance. Why do we do it? Tradition, muscle memory, balance, leg strengthening, and its fun! :o) For those who are curious the remainder of the warm down goes as follows. We do 2 sets 10 of push-ups. One set using finger tips or palms the other set on your fists/knuckles. Next are crunches about eight sets of ten in different positions, then we finish with leg stretches and deep breathing. Brian Woodard -----Original Message----- From: Dunn, Danny J GARRISON [mailto:danny.dunn@us.army.mil] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:27 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Punches from Horse Stance Well, All my classes, white through dan, punch from horse stance every class. First thing after warmup. Yeah, we still do that. We still have 2 hour classes. And then we go through other hand techniques and kick, yes through every basic kick every class. But then, kicking and punching is what we do in Tang Soo Do. 100 to 200 punches a day keep you tuned up. And even though it isn't to popular any more, we still do deep stances. Not for fighting, but because it builds muscle and engrains power development. We also spend a lot of time doing hyung, then one step sparring and self defense and end up with free sparring. Danny Dunn _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 1600 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:46:12 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] 2nd Dan Testing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings, all... I tested for my 2nd dan over the weekend (no results yet)... I know I could have done better, especially in patterns, so I'm not sure how it went... It's hard to judge how you do testing for a rank you've never held... :-) We'll see... If not, I'm not going anywhere... Just gotta focus and try again... Anyway, I've talked to several people here about my 2nd dan thesis, which was a basic curriculum for students in a wheelchair... It's a starting point only and mostly an exercise in making sure I understand the construction, application and combination of techniques I've learned. Anyway, since several of you have asked, I have the file available for anyone who wants it... It's in PDF format and is about 300k in size... Thanks to everyone... Now that testing is over, I can start looking forward to the Jackson seminar :) <> - Bert Edens, 2nd Dan Recommended Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:25:15 -0700 (PDT) From: luke rose To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Dojang Dating Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Questions to impose on one's self. 1. Are your motives of an honest nature. (Are you simply after lust or a genuine interest in someone's life? Now be HONEST! LOL) 2. Are you concerned about what the other students/instructors think about you? (If it's your school or you are an instructor then there are political issues to conceder. If losing money or respect is more important than following your heart then don't do it. If you have confidence that you can handle all the responsibilities that come with a relationship like this then I say go for it. If you can properly apply honest and moral intentions then why shouldn't you find out? Now I don't mean date all your students to find out if you like them or not. To me that's thinking with your loins instead of your head or heart. If you're not sure then be wise and give it time to see if your feelings are genuine or deep rooted. If there are still feelings then what would it hurt to be friends for an extended period of time. I think a depleted friendship is much easier to deal with instead of a lost love. In short, take things very slow and let nature take it's course. That's just my thoughts. Luke --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD coverage in the US Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From http://www.nbcolympics.com The US viewers can see Taekwondo in the Olympics on MSNBC on Thursday, Aug. 26, starting at 4 a.m. to 6 a.m. CDT live, and on CNBC starting at 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. CDT on tape. Coverage continues on MSNBC the following day at 11 a.m. to noon CDT and on Saturday at 11 a.m. to noon CDT on CNBC. The coverage wraps Sunday, Aug. 29, on CNBC at 6 a.m. CDT and 10 a.m. CDT, the latter alongside wrestling finals. --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:40:50 -0700 (PDT) From: luke rose To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Punching the Dragon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Ray, I do still train and teach that way from time to time. In my experience the people that find this exercise boring are the colored belts. (after white and before black) For the white belts it is easier to be in one stance without moving into other stances. Basically there is less to focus on. For the black belts it becomes a matter of mastery. They already know how to punch, or do they? So they work on accuracy, full body power, speed, etc., etc. Now as for the colored belts, they just want to get on to the new form, kick, punch, etc.,etc. However, I still do it from time to time to work on everything that was mentioned in ever other post on this subject. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Gag1407@cs.com Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:44:24 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #343 - 14 msgs, Punching The Dragon Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Terry, I teach at the local YMCA and I use many of the traditional methods such as the one you describe. But I also spend equal amount of time teaching form a fighting stance as well. I teach what Icall TKD with a twist ( not that you have to be twisted to take my class, but it may help) we spend time throwing elbows and knees and also each other. There is some ground fighting, rolls and breakfall lessons all done within the same TKD format. But I still rely on the traditional ways for my basic format. Greg Galey E-Dan TKD Wadesville, IN --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest