Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:01:52 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 11 #347 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Weather the storm (RDNHJMS@aol.com) 2. Re: Still punching the dragon (Joseph Pierini) 3. Horse Stance (Maloney, Paul) 4. Kids in traditional classes (David Weller) 5. new your summer camp results (J R Hilland) 6. 2 Hour Classes (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 7. History of Korean martial arts (dean_lopez@houston-f-body.org) 8. Korean Mas Oyama movie (ABurrese@aol.com) 9. Re: new your summer camp results (Ray Terry) 10. Hapkido Love/Hate (Arlene Slocum) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: RDNHJMS@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:02:31 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Weather the storm Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Looks like we will have a little weather here in Tampa in the next day or so. They kicked us off of the base about mid-day. My SOCOM friends were put on an airplane to Ft. Bragg. I'm sure we will get thru it alright. My hopes and prayers go out to my friends left in Iraq. To Brian, Luis, Ernie, may God help you weather the storm also, and help us kill those that need to be dead. For those of you who object to my language, I hope that I get the chance to explain it so you face to face someday, especially those keyboard warriors, you know who you are. Rick Nabors Sin Moo Hapkido --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Joseph Pierini" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Still punching the dragon Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:44:47 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I began my martial arts training in Shotokan some 20+ years ago and remember repetitive drills with fond memories. Now returning to the martial arts, TKD WTF, those same 20 years later, I was saddened to experience a lack of them in my training. I'm not a dan, nor am I an instructor. I watch the early keub's with their eagerness to recreate the Matrix trying things their bodies and their minds just aren't ready for. In my arrogance I second guess my instructor and think how we should be drilling in the basics over and over again till they're second nature. Then I remember that running a TKD, or for that matter any MA school, is a balancing act. The dropout rate prior to dan is high, keeping the attention of your students is a challenge. How many students would be willing to spend 75% of their classes in a horse stance punching the air or repeating roundhouse to back kick combinations till they can do them in their sleep? I'm 40 now, my chances for the Olympic team are a distant dream and my goals now are just to make it through a class without breaking a hip ;) My instructor is a good man with a genuine desire to teach and share. He can also kick my butt without breaking a sweat. I'm his student, and I'll do things his way. But I still can't help thinking "Back in MY day we did xyz!" God help me, but I'm turning into my father! Thanks to the list for all the great advice and commentary, Joe Pierini > > I'm seeing it less and less these days. Especially spending much time > in the low(er) horse stance given so much emphasis on kicks and kicks and > kicks, and did I mention kicks. :) --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Maloney, Paul" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:12:12 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Horse Stance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all We do a lot of the horse riding stance to build up our legs , BUT Master Johnson disguise it as a fun , what we do is partner off get in to the stances and try to push each others hand and get you partner out of the stance , I find that the time fly's by a lot faster that just holding the stance or doing punches , your mind is working on getting your partner out of the stance not the pain in your legs ! As for dating ETC we train as a family ( wife and 3 kids ) at some point over the week we will all end up sparing against each other , it used to cause problems but we now find it a lot more fun and more difficult to do as we know each other moves so well ,I find it a lot harder to get a techniques in against my wife so I have to change the way I do them or come up with new combinations were as when I am with some one else in the class I tend to use my favourite techniques. So I find it helps with my training , and I don't get funny looks when I turn the lights on or of at home with kicks ! Paul Johnson's Tang Soo Do , England www.moodukkwan.co.uk ********************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may be subject to legal privilege, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Since we were trained in that way his assistant instructors do things that way as well. We do do a few things differently if the class is predominately young-un's but they are there to learn Tae Kwon Do, not tiddly winks, so we teach 'em TKD---The way we were taught! dave On Aug 13, 2004, at 5:01 AM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > From: Ray Terry > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:35:16 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [The_Dojang] Still punching the dragon > > For those with a large number of children in the dojang... are you > still > able to run your mixed (children + adults) classes in a traditional > manner? --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:05:58 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] new your summer camp results Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just a follow up on our previous discussions about the New York seminar... All my friends and relatives survived the 6 week day aikido seminar in New York state. Everyone reports they had a good time but with 1000 people attending (picture 1, group; picture 2, doshu http://www.hapkidoselfdefense.com/aikido_summer_camp.htm), they did say it was hard to tell what the teacher was instructing. Only one hour class at a time, with one teacher. The head of aikido, the current doshu, who is the grandson of O'Sensei, the founder of aikido, taught two classes. As a student, seminars are great to pick up new ideas and learn from many different teachers in just a few days. Teachers enjoy the enthusiasm students bring back to the dojang. It is also always nice to learn more technique or improve your existing technique. The first pictures at http://www.hapkidoselfdefense.com/aikido_summer_camp.htm is a group picture a good friend of mine who runs http://www.westernmarylandaikikai.org/ took. He and I ran the Texas A&M University Self Defense Club together back in the 80's when we were 3rd dan. I taught hapkido and taekwondo, he taught yudo and hapkido and we had a visiting daito-ryu aikijujutsu teacher. He has attended Master West's hapkido seminar with me before. Good technique, is good technique, doesn't matter what art it is. I am looking forward to seeing all my hapkido and taekwondo friends in Jackson in a few week. Jere R. Hilland Red River Hapkido, Fargo, ND www.rrhapkido.com, www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:07:44 -0500 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] 2 Hour Classes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi George, I am guessing that you go the a medium to large commercial school. (No flames please, because I know my school is commercial too, in that students pay and the school has to pay for itself. What I mean by commercial is that it is run as a business to make money, maybe as a full-time profession. This is not a bad thing!) I am blessed, at least for now that I don't have to generate an income from my school, just pay the bills. The reason I say this is because the very first thing anyone will tell you about increasing profits and getting more students is to shorten your classes to an hour or less and offer more classes. I know many schools that have 55 minute classes, or even 45 minute classes for students under 7 or so. The sad fact is that the majority of most schools' students are young children and the children and their parents are not willing to put more up than an hour 2 or 3 times a week commitment into a martial art. The good part from a moneymaking prespective is that they are usually willing to pay about the same thing they pay for Suzi's dance lessons if you have a nice looking studio. The bad part of having a school like mine is I end up spending a good bit of my time doing the business things behind the scenes that is essentially uncompensated. And it costs the extra time over just class and training time away from some of my family. And as a general rule, even my black belts can't seem to grasp why I can't show up for an additional hour or 2 on Saturday or Sunday afternoon to help them work on a form or some extra weapons work. But now that I have rambled around the world, let me finish by saying that I can still have 2 hour classes because I am not trying to make a paycheck from my school, so I don't have to wory so much about how many students I have. Because there are a lot fewer people starting out that are willing to go through 2 hours of rigorous training, which leaves them really exhausted at the end of every class. I feel that I am fortunate to be able to do this. And I can certainly understand why a lot of schools can't. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:41:23 -0500 From: dean_lopez@houston-f-body.org To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] History of Korean martial arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm looking for any kind of reference material on the history of Korean martial arts. I know this is a pretty sensitive subject, with many "versions" coming from not only the Korean side, but from the Japanese side as well. They range from modern Korean martial arts being derived mainly from the ancient, indigenous Korean martial arts and some being combined or influenced by Chinese or Japanese styles, to Korean martial arts being wholesale ripoffs of Japanese styles during the Japanese occupation in the first half of the 1900's. I'm trying to get as much info to try and make an educated conclusion of my own. If anyone has any useful titles/authors/ISBN's they've come across, please post them! Thanks! Dean black belt candidate Kuk Sool Won of Katy, Texas ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:57:50 -0400 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Mas Oyama movie Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There is a new Korean movie called Fighter in the Wind that is based on Mas Oyama 1923-1994, founder of Kyokushin Karate and famous for fighting bulls. Those in Korea may wish to check it out and let the rest of us know about it. I do not know if it will be available in the future on DVD for us not living in Korea right now. I hope so, it's one I would like to check out. I learned about it by reading The Korea Herald on-line edition, something I like to do daily to know what is going on in Korea. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] new your summer camp results To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I am looking forward to seeing all my hapkido and taekwondo friends in > Jackson in a few week. And don't forget about all those nutty Tang Soo Do folks... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:00:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Arlene Slocum To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Love/Hate Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I love to practice hapkido, but I suffer alot sometimes from bruises and pains afterwards. I am 49 years young and am not blessed with natural flexibility and balance or good body type. I have learned all by repetition (I have a mat at home where I practice too since our formal class only meets once a week.) At best with my schedule and TKD practice as well I get to practice na-po (falling) maybe twice a week. Last week we did throwing all class. I am not overweight at all for my height, but I have stocky legs with big calf muscles that stick out. When I hit the mat I felt those wide calves hitting the mat first over and over. Sure enough, the next day I discovered I had broken some major blood vessels in the lower leg and it all turned dark purple from the knee down to the ankle. At my age, it took a week to get over during which I was unable to TKD spar or do further hapkido falls since I did not want to mess it up more until it healed. I know if I practice throws more often maybe the veins will get tougher and I will do better, but the reality is with our class meeting only once a week I need a way to prepare for this without a partner. I welcome input from the more experienced hapkido practitioners/instructors on what I can do to help my body endure the contact better. Arlene Slocum 2nd Dan Lawrence Tae Kwon Do School Lawrence, Kansas email: slocarl@sbcglobal.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2004: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest